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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, March 06, 2011 10:32 AM

Great progress there Aaron.  Both subjects off the beaten track too.

Glad that like will be useful.

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, March 07, 2011 3:44 PM

Even though I am finishing a PBP and started a Stug I am always thinking about the Albatros.  So a ? for those experts about the lozenge for the wings.  The decals come in long strips that look like they will just across the wings panels from side to side.  There is a different set for the bottoms of the wings.  Same pattern but much lither in tone.  OK, finally the question.  Where would the seam be between the upper and lower for the leading edge of the wing?  A straight seam right at the LE or would the upper roll under the LE and overlap the under side lozenge a bit?

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Posted by Bockscar on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:34 AM

wing_nut
Welcome one and all to the
 
Group build to end all group builds
 
About the
 
War to end all wars
 
(yeah, how’d that work out?)
 
The Great War

 

Hey Wing_nut, I'ld like to join as soon as I finish up with the Phantom II Group Build. 

I have a couple of subjects but will commit a bit later.

I'm sorting through my artifacts for ideas.

Thanks

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:13 AM

Glad to have you bockscar.  Whenever you're ready just let me know.

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Posted by Aaronw on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:03 PM

wing_nut

OK, finally the question.  Where would the seam be between the upper and lower for the leading edge of the wing?  A straight seam right at the LE or would the upper roll under the LE and overlap the under side lozenge a bit?

There is probably some variation based on specific aircraft but there is a Fokker DVII on this site that shows the front of the wing pretty well. It looks to me like there is a seam just slightly more to the underside of the leading edge.

http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/BromeCountyMuseum/index.htm

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:39 AM

Arron, thanks for that page.

Here is the "first draft" of my turnbuckles(TB).  Been noticing the TB on one side and the other being a cable around an eyelet with the cable then wrapped with thin wire to hold it all together.  The TB is the Lion Roar tubing.  I just need to get the wrap more even.

 

This is the wire I used. My local sporting good store has a monster huge fishing section and they had the Ultra Wire that doog picked up.  The #80 bit is for comparison.   The Ultra Wire is in the middle. That scales up to about .21 or 7/32.  That sounds about right for the rigging.  The thinner wire for the wrap comes from and old phone charger.  I'll bet everyone has  a few of those around the house.

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Posted by u-69 on Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:00 AM

Even though I am finishing a PBP and started a Stug I am always thinking about the Albatros.  So a ? for those experts about the lozenge for the wings.  The decals come in long strips that look like they will just across the wings panels from side to side.  There is a different set for the bottoms of the wings.  Same pattern but much lither in tone.  OK, finally the question.  Where would the seam be between the upper and lower for the leading edge of the wing?  A straight seam right at the LE or would the upper roll under the LE and overlap the under side lozenge a bit?

 

The lozenge decals won't fit exactly between the ribs and line up nicely, the decals will meet up between ribs in some sections, and this is correct. The ribs were covered with rib tape - so you won't see some of the seams, however where the 2 edges of the decals meet between ribs you should leave free of rib tap so that there is a visible demarcation - don't worry about trying to 'line up' the lozenges - the Germans didn't either. ;)

Reason - the material they used came in 4 foot [approx] widths,  where they just 'happened' to line up with ribs, 'great' where they didn't - 'oh well' and they were just stitched together, it would have been too much a waste trimming all that material away.

Now - that being said, you also have the option of laying the decal chordwise [not very common] OR more commonly than chordwise was a diagonal arrangement, which can look pretty cool!

 

As to the leading edge - you will have to check specific references, but also the leading edge had rib tape covering that as well.

 

-best regards

-sean

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:58 AM

Thanks for the info Sean.  I am looking at the decal sheet differently now.

This is the first thing I was thinking you meant.  This is the WNW lozenge decal sheet.  I assumed they are to be applied in 1 piece straight across the wing span from root to tip.  Then adding what you said about the panels may not quite match up, you might get a seam in between the ribs with a mismatch like I show with a copy/paste  on the bottom section.

Now I am thinking it is this...I measured the short dimension and it scales up to 50" wide.  More ore less in line with what you said.  So are these supposed to be turned vertical and applied in sections across the wing.  And as you you said, if it lines with a rib or not... whatever.  But tape only on the ribs themselves.

 

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Posted by u-69 on Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:45 AM

Hi Wing_nut;

 

no problem, glad to help.

- yes, the exact width is somewhere around four feet and change, I would imagine different producers shipped slightly different widths [as are the exact colors from different suppliers hotly contested] **watch the edges of the decals closely, some people have seen black borders on the outer edge - that should be trimmed off, it's leftover from the decal printing process, trapping is not quite right]

- yup -, exactly right, if it lines up with a rib or not.

- you can do chord wise [wing tip to wing root]  - that was done, but rare, just check your reference - personally I wouldn't want to try and work with a decal that large unless I had to. Your copy/past mockup is far more common [make sure the decals but up like between panel 2 and 3 or you will see the seam under the rib taping...  these wingnut decals are pretty impressive]

 

if you take a close look at the wnw instructions they do show roughly where the decal edges should meet, see below the dotted lines, on the right image - the dotted line above the radiator matches my roland below [which I incorrectly covered with rib tape!] the dotted line below also shows a joint between 2 spars, but mine actually would up on the rib.

 

You can see all the build pics here: http://www.onetofortyeight.com/Assets/Galleries/RolandDVIa/ - they might give an idea of how I laid them out [the Albatros will be similar]

Also - there's an LVG a directory up: http://www.onetofortyeight.com/Assets/Galleries/

Be stingy with those decals, cut templates, there is next to none to spare!

 

-best regards
-sean

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Posted by u-69 on Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:47 AM

oh wait - here's a correct example here:

the easiest one to pick out is the center section directly above the cockpit.

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:57 PM

Sean, those are some stunning builds! Love the Roland - been seriously thinking about grabbing one of those bad boys myself. That D.VII is superb! Which kit is that, and where'd you find those markings? They're awesome!

Marc, Sean has given you excellent advice, and his work definitely backs it up. Not much to add to it, but I did try something a little different when it came to applying the rib tapes to my WnW Pfalz on Doogs Weathering GB. Before I applied the tapes, I lightly post-shaded over each rib using a well-thinned mix of mostly Tamiya smoke with a little flat black added, and then put the tapes on. I was very happy with the effect and it gave the wing surface some extra depth.....

Mike

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Posted by u-69 on Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:25 PM

Hi Ruddratt;

 

thanks - praise is always welcome.....  The DVII is an Eduards kit [a little over priced] I knew I had to do that as soon as I saw it - WnW is supposed to be releasing a DVII as well, I'm hoping for this scheme in 1/32 - or else it's gonna be a 'make my own decals' job.   It was a limited edition, but not that long ago - I'm sure you can still find one or two floating around - http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=3975

 

on your comments about the rib shading - there's a couple different ways I've seen that done... depending on the effect, post or pre shade - the idea is the same: take a look at one of the Phalz :

I guess grime and such would build up between the ribs more than actually on them, so on some photos, you see that sort of effect [the ribs were masked off then pastel dust applied]

The other [which I have not done an example of] are shots where you can see the interior structure of the wing due to the sun light...  in that case the ribs are much darker [mask them off and apply a lighter color] I wuppose it all depends on the effect you want [I'm not a big fan of what I did above]

 

Beauty start on your Phalz though, I was really torn between the two and still may get me another to do the one you have there! The Roland was one of the nicer kits btw - I really enjoyed that build.  - My build of that is here: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/50805-roland-dvia-kissenberth.html - check out the MasterBarrel Spandaus ....  a very nice edition to any kit...

 

-sean

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:39 PM

Again Sean thanks so much.  I spotted every one of the seams in a heart beat.  But then, i am one of those guys that spots the things in films when there is a cut and something is different.   BTW I like the "translucent" look you did.

 

Great tip Mike.  I like that idea.  I am going test with a post-it on one side to see if it give some feeling of the light direction.  We'll see.

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:20 PM

WOW Sean.  I just went through all the galleries.  Nice work.  I saw some excellent shot of wing before final assembly that show the seams.  The shot of the interior of the wooden engine compartment with oil soaked into the wood.  Jeez that's nice

What did you use to wrap the exhausts on the engines?

Marc  

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:24 PM

Sean, I am eagerly anticipating that D.VII with the WnW treatment. Built the Eduard kit (still have another in the stash) - was a bit high-priced, but still a joy to build.

Great work on your Pfalz as well! I'd heard of the weathering techniques for the ribs you mentioned and wanted to give one of 'em a try on my next build. It really went a long way towards giving depth to a single color.

Mike

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, March 11, 2011 4:25 AM

My Scharnhorst shipped on Tuesday from England. Woohoo!

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Posted by Julez72 on Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:20 AM

bondoman

My Scharnhorst shipped on Tuesday from England. Woohoo!

your doing the original one right Bondo, the one from Jutland???

 

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:02 AM

Just got the markings decals for the Albatros from WNW.  These are be the best printed decals I have seen in a long time.  The coloring is perfectly even and in dead perfect register.  The carrier film is one of the thinnest I have ever seen.  And for any single item on a decal, like a cross or placard,  the clear edge is nearly non-existent.   Jeez I can't wait to start this bad boy.

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:14 AM

Which one did you get Marc? I got one of their sheets, and I agree it's an excellent decal!

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:21 AM

wing_nut

Just got the markings decals for the Albatros from WNW.  These are be the best printed decals I have seen in a long time.  The coloring is perfectly even and in dead perfect register.  The carrier film is one of the thinnest I have ever seen.  And for any single item on a decal, like a cross or placard,  the clear edge is nearly non-existent.   Jeez I can't wait to start this bad boy.

The decals sheet for my Pup looks similarly impressive...with my Mossie in the home stretch now, I'm just a few days away from starting. Excited, yet terrified of taking on a biplane!

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:07 PM

I got #30016 "The Bavariins"   I am going to be doing "D"

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Saturday, March 12, 2011 6:17 PM

Mark, you picked the 2nd least silliest out of them all, should have gone With the silliest!

 

Also Wing_nut using Wingnut Wing decals

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:13 PM

I'm approaching the home stretch on my WnW Pfalz - eagerly anticipating jumping into their SE.5 next (but I ain't quite as scared as Doogs. Wink ).

Seriously buddy, you're gonna have a blast building that kit! Yes

 

Marc, great choice! I love the wood grain section smack in the middle of the fuselage, surrounded by all that black. Can't wait to see it! Yes

Mike

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:15 AM

That will look really good with the black fuselage, and lozenge wings. Looking forward to seeing it. I'm seriously thinking of changing my build from the LVG to an Albatros.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:53 PM

Welllllll as expected I was able to score some WWI flying goodness at Downeastcon yesterday:

Albatros D.V

Haven't had time to digest all of the markings options (there are several), and how in the heck I'm going to rig this little monster...REALLY hope I can shoehorn this one into my build schedule in the alloted time!

Dupes the WWI n00b

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:56 PM

Ahhh yes, found some boxart:

clicky clicky

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:59 PM

clicky clicky no worky worky

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:07 PM

Hmmmm...it's working for me, maybe it's still hanging out in my cache? Try HERE instead, click for a larger version.

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:27 PM

Cool!  Are you gonna do that b&W striped one of the box?

Marc  

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:40 PM

Was just discussing that with Mia (she's my color coordinator). We both reaaaallly like that one, but there's no lozenge scheme on it's wings. Will probably do a lozenge-y version, and see if i can pick up a weekend edition at the next show (I passed on one yesterday for about 6 bucks - retard) to use the awesome pre-cut masks that came in this box to do that striped one.

Make sense? Huh?

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