IRON RAILS 2015 GB

CodyJ

Hello folks!

I'd like to join if I may.  I bought these a while ago just because I liked them.  When I saw this build was upcoming I was really happy to see it could fit somewhere.  I first bought the Br52 because it was on sale for $19 and couldn't pass it up.  Naturally I couldn't build it without something to pull so I found some armored cars.  Not sure if its historically accurate but eh.  I hope these two companies will fit on the same track but if mods need to be done, then that's ok.

Here are the Models I'd like to participate with.

1/72 Br52 Kreigslokomotive by Hobby Boss

1/72 Light Armored Reconnaissance Car by UM Models

1/72 Heavy Infantry Armored Car (x2) by UM Models

welcome. nice catch on the BR-52. i built one and JIBBER built the BR-86 so we have some lessons learned. i think the only german rail cars in 1/72 are UM and your 2 recon cars are self-propelled.

Cody thanks for coming along and I think you'll really enjoy the Hobby Boss kit.  One point if I may, make sure the frame is a perfect fit and test fit parts especially the boiler, after that it's a real breeze. HB loco's are real quality kits in 1/72 and please post some pics, we'd love to see your progress.

Terry

Well, I'll start I guess.  Again, working in this scale is completely new to me and I am impressed with the detail in this rather simple kit.  I started with a Dragon high side gondola before jumping in on the BR-52 just to get my feet wet.  Even after I mistakenly removed most of the locating pins, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, things are still fitting together fairly well.  I will need to fart around with one of the brakes to get it to sit properly but all told I'm happy with my  progress.  I wonder why they didn't include any of the brake actuator parts or lines when they seem to have taken great care detailing the rest of the parts.  I think I will be adding some stuff.  Like I need this project to get bigger.

Progress to follow.

Waynec-  Aww no, the two are self propelled...  well....  They're Broken!  They need to be pulled!  

Terry- Thank you for the heads-up!  I appreciate ANY help I can get.  I am pretty new to armor.  Maybe about a year.  I have built auto for about 11.  Armor has been a really fun switch.  I played "World of Tanks" after my accident and decided to make a few models of some of my favorites.  That's all it took.  I was hooked permanently. 

Nice progress Caveman. Like you said the molds look nicely detailed!

Caveman even with some of the pins removed you should get things squared away without to many issues and the gondola alone will build into a nice shelf piece, good start.

I think I should get started tomorrow on the BR86 loco, I spent the weekend going over the kit and instructions but then I wasted 3 hours watching the Lions lose….I'm hoping to have more luck than those guys!

Terry

Cody one more thing I was thinking over the weekend, theres a number of smaller parts that can be held off until the end that will probably get knocked off or broken that'll be right in the way when you're working, such as hoses, steps, handrails and couplers. I remember knocking then off more than once, anyway I thought it might help.

Cody one more thing that I had to figure out when I put the track together. I didn't want to break off any of the small cleats on the ties when I pushed through the rails, so I took the edge of my blade and removed just enough material so that the rails slide in easy then its a simple matter of touching them up with a little glue. I don't mean to interfere but I know I surely didn't want to scratch out a new cleat when I was just getting started.  Personally I've keep going back and forth with the idea of building my own track but in the interim, I'm going to use all the provided tracks to start. I think it'll give me something to set it on or I might even build a jig to hold it in place while I work?

Terry

1/160 eight Pacific Fruit Express refrigerator cars (Intermountain) on an icing dock at Salinas California.

Head end power TBD steam for sure.

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Just getting started on my BR86 Locomotive. Everything is built from the frame up, so I made sure that the frame is completely square and the cement set before proceeding. I did this by clamping the frames to a straight edge then once set I added other parts and taped them in. I'm going to let this rest for a while then get back to it. 

jibber

Cody one more thing I was thinking over the weekend, theres a number of smaller parts that can be held off until the end that will probably get knocked off or broken that'll be right in the way when you're working, such as hoses, steps, handrails and couplers. I remember knocking then off more than once, anyway I thought it might help.

Terry

i agree. i am doing the TRUMPETER GONDOLA so it will be interesting to compare how the companies approached them. if you are going to have a train the couplers need to work and you will have to scratch build the air hoses between the cars.

i am going to put the kit track together too for the same reasons TERRY mentioned.

WIP. the holes for the pins have to be reamed out. you will probably split the bottom of them but it won't be noticeable. DO NOT get any cement on the pins as the pieces have to move in order to fit them on the side bar.

wasn't sure which way these squares go so i left them off until i built the platform.

Wayne thats good info, it really looks like a quality kit.

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I started with a square frame then added some wheel assemblies, structural supports and other frame parts. Each step is only done after I double check for good fits and evenness, at this point I don't want to be off only later to find that the boiler doesn't fit but so far things are coming together nicely. I think I'll take a break from assembly and spray a primer coat, because later on some of these parts will be difficult to get to. I also need to finish up some rails to set it on because as it sits its already over 15 inches. 

Terry- Looking great!  Thank you very much for the advice!  Always really appreciated Sir!  I always find it helps to hear from folks who have built the same kit, or type of kit, and learn what they have to say about it!  Tips, techniques, etc!  Thanks my friend!

Wayne-  That gondola came along fast!  

jibber

I started with a square frame then added some wheel assemblies, structural supports and other frame parts. Each step is only done after I double check for good fits and evenness, at this point I don't want to be off only later to find that the boiler doesn't fit but so far things are coming together nicely. I think I'll take a break from assembly and spray a primer coat, because later on some of these parts will be difficult to get to. I also need to finish up some rails to set it on because as it sits its already over 15 inches. 

Terry 

got the GONDOLA primed today before the cold rolls in again. one reason i am doing this first is to figure out how much to put together before priming, painting, and possibly even some weathering. you might want to consider painting the inside after priming for the same reason you are priming now

for example, if you look at the box art the sides have metal frames taht slide into the platform. i decided to prime and paint them before attaching to the wood sides. will see how that works out. it does mean using more CYA than i would like..

Realize that my Intermountain reefers are pre painted. Withdraw the submission

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An update on my BR86 and track. I sprayed a red primer that will payoff later when I apply a final coat and I started working on the base and track Trumpeter provides. First I painted the base and dry brushed to give the ballast a better look. I think I'll do an oil wash over everything later. The ties were also painted and pushed through the bottom allowing the rails to be slid through. In order to make this work, I removed some material from the BOTTOM of the rails. This will allow it to slide through easier without breaking those small cleat heads (be careful). I did take a very small amount of material from the bottom sides but if you remove to much they'll be to short to fit under those cleats, removing material with your razor knife works best. This is a must because as you can see from one of the photos the ties don't push through the ballast evenly, so I had to trim off some of the high points of the ballast and go carefully sliding the rail through.

Two things I forgot to mention. I haven't weathered the ties yet and was just going through a test fit. The other was a test fit of the rail connectors. They have small pins that connect to the other part and I failed to mention that I opened those holes up a bit. Makes for an easier fit.

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I test fitted the boiler on the frame and everything is lining up correctly. I also finished the base and track. I think this is about all I can get out of the provided parts, and as you can see the loco will take up the entire length. Oh and the wheels are setting on the rails perfectly. So far so good.

kit rails actually look pretty good. i will build them for my GONDOLA so i have a set complete for checking wheel alignment. picked up more VALLEJO AV paint yesterday.

You know I think so too, for a presentation piece and not part of a larger diorama I think it works. I had thought of glueing down some loose ballast but I don't think it needs it. I almost hated taking the time out for the track but now i'm glad its done. Now I can keep some momentum up on that monster of a locomotive.

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Before and after photos. 

Hi Wayne,

Thank you for adding me to the roster!

The LHS got my order wrong, when I went to pick up my order today it was the #01518 German Railway Gondola (Lower Sides).

Guess it is going to be an AA FlaKVierling instead of a Tiger on top of it anyway.

The Flatbed will come in a week or two. So are the T1 transportation tracks.

Excellent starts all around, you guys obviously know what you are doing ;)
This is going to be very interesting and very challenging for me.
My first Railway build ever :) 

Very Best Regards

Johan

JohanT

Hi Wayne,

Thank you for adding me to the roster!

The LHS got my order wrong, when I went to pick up my order today it was the #01518 German Railway Gondola (Lower Sides).

Guess it is going to be an AA FlaKVierling instead of a Tiger on top of it anyway.

The Flatbed will come in a week or two. So are the T1 transportation tracks.

Excellent starts all around, you guys obviously know what you are doing ;)
This is going to be very interesting and very challenging for me.
My first Railway build ever :) 

Very Best Regards

Johan

you know you wanted one anyway. i am trying to decide if i want the heavy flat car. have 2 low sides and a high side. like anything else there are a couple of new things to learn but there are trade offs. at least you don't have indy tracks, though you may on whatever you put on the flat car

i may have this first gondola as a stand alone and put a light vehicle on top. we loaded M106A1 mortar tracks 3 to a car in germany. just a note: pet peeve is spare stuff attached to tanks with no means of how. same goes for armored vehicles on flat cars. i have been downloading a slew of rr pics so i may show something. what we did in germany was crossed steel cables on the front and rear tow hooks and secured to hooks on the side of the car. 3 wood blocks, to in front and 2 in rear. for M60A2s we also steel cabled the turrets. sounds difficult but we could rail load an entire tank company in less than 2 hours if we had a little prep time. not sure how the germans did it in ww2 but anything is better than nothing.

got german grey on my gondola. thought i bought VALLEJO AV rust, turns out it's metallic so i tried it on one set of wheels and don't like it for this. looks like MMA dark rust and oils for the wheels and undercarriage inside. may even mix some engine gray in to get the effect i want. i am really likeing VALLEJO paints.

Johan I can't wait to see those kits, please post some pics.

Wayne, whats so different about Vallejo, better spray than Tamiya? I've tried a few different Vallejo paints reg and air and still don't find them better than Tamiya but they do have some colors i'd like to see, such as oily steel, brown violet. For brushing it's always MM.

We're seeing a lot of Low Side Gondolas, maybe I'll pick another secondary rail car?

jibber

Johan I can't wait to see those kits, please post some pics.

Wayne, whats so different about Vallejo, better spray than Tamiya? I've tried a few different Vallejo paints reg and air and still don't find them better than Tamiya but they do have some colors i'd like to see, such as oily steel, brown violet. For brushing it's always MM.

We're seeing a lot of Low Side Gondolas, maybe I'll pick another secondary rail car?

it brush paints better than tamiya.

Agreed

Well, I'll be the first to admit that this kit is beating me up a little bit.  Can't count how many times that I have broken the little pieces making up the framework.  Then the cat took a round out of it too.  All that said, I am almost ready to put down the base layers and get this thing going.  I am now at the point where I need to decide just what is going in the thing, to determine how to weather the deck boards.  I hope to post some pics later tonight with some paint on.

Caveman from the photos i'm not seeing anything, in fact it looks really good. I'm guessing that it must be the center struts or those tie rods?  

Hi,

all new to this but love it already :)

In the Trumpeter 01518 Railway Gondola you have the wagon wheels as two parts, sprue B parts # 23 & 24.

Should the inner side be flush or is the very small offset intended?

Very Best Regards

Johan

Hi Johan,

The kit I'm working on is a Dragon kit with one part wheels.  Sorry but I'm not going to be much help to you.  I will be building a Trumpy kit later so I'm curious as to what the response will be.  I know others are building Trumpy kits now.  Someone will be able to help.