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WHO NEEDS ENGINES ? THE 2017 GLIDER GROUP BUILD

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WHO NEEDS ENGINES ? THE 2017 GLIDER GROUP BUILD
Posted by Wirraway on Friday, April 22, 2016 5:29 AM

WHO NEEDS ENGINES ?  The 2017 GLIDER GROUP BUILD. Angel

Its been a few years since I hosted a group build and I feel the need.  Hope the early posting gives people plenty of time to come up with a subject (I also hope there is enough interest !)

Run time- January 2017 through to December 2017.

Anything that did some of its flying unpowered will qualify.  (So a Me 163 would qualify, as would a guided bomb which glides to target)

Some subjects to whet your appetite:

DFS 230

Gotha GO 242 & 244

Me 321

Ju 322

Kokusai Ku 7 & Ku 8

antonov A-7

Horsa

Hotspur

Waco

and of course, anything civilian pre- or post WW2.

As to what is out there model-wise, there is still 8 months to seek out and buy !    Welcome Sign

GB badge to follow in due course.

PARTICIPANTS

Greentracker                  TBA

Jeaton01                         Italeri Waco CG-4A   ***COMPLETED***

Rob S                              TBA

Simpilot34                       TBA

Wirraway                         1/72 Italeri Zwilling towing Testors Me321

VanceCrozier                   1/72 Special Hobby Schulgleiter

IL2Windhawk                   1/32 Revell ASK-21

Jon_a_its                          1/48 Grunau Baby IIb

Tags: glider

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Posted by greentracker98 on Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:21 PM

Okay, I'll be the first to sign on. Don't know what Ill do for it.

I was just looking in Hobby Linc and there aren't many WW2 gliders. A couple are out of my price range, and there's half of a Horsa. I'll keep looking but I do like the looks of a DFS239A. All of my builds have been American and one Russian a T-55a. Maybe I should do another countrys stuff.

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Posted by Rob S. on Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:39 PM

gonna have to put some thought into this one. I've never done a glider....

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Posted by Wirraway on Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:52 AM

Welcome aboard guys !Travel

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, April 24, 2016 2:24 PM

Rob S.

gonna have to put some thought into this one. I've never done a glider....

 

I've never done a glider either, but I'm up for it

Even if the Group Build doesn't work out, I'll still do the glider

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Posted by B-36Andy on Monday, May 23, 2016 6:21 PM

Guys!

Planet Models has some nice glider kits. Revell also. if you are into scratch building, Von Braun's 3 stage 50s shuttle used a glider for part of the program.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, May 27, 2016 8:53 AM

Hey guys! I might be up for this by the time it starts! I have three candidates that would fit the bill. All 1/72 of course.

Academy Me-163a or b think the b would be cool, don't see many of them built.

Italeri Waco CG-4

Airfix Horsa

LOL I have to ask, would a stick and tissue model be allowed? Because I have plans for a TG-3 towline model.Propeller

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by B-36Andy on Friday, May 27, 2016 10:44 PM

Hey Simpilot and all,

The TG-3 is a great subject---maybe a solid basswood or plastic scratch build might work? I am thinking more about German gliders, of pre WWII vintage. There are kits of some of these, a little hard to find, but they are out there.

Don't forget the Silent Wings Museum for good photos and information of military gliders.

I wish the build was starting next month--I can hardly wait!

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, May 27, 2016 11:38 PM

Up the Ox and Bucks!

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:15 AM

Thanks Andy, will have to cntemplate that. The plans I have are for a traditional stick and tissue model, but the modern copy machine could change that lol. Hmmm, some scratchbuilt 1/72 civilian sailplanes would be interesting. Really just have to find some proper three-views and hope for some station and wing profiles. something else to think aboutYes

Stik, nice pic!! would make a great badge.

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Wirraway on Sunday, May 29, 2016 3:17 AM

LOL. Nice one Carlos.  I almost missed "The Longest Day" reference there for a second.

Also got me thinking about the glider troops in SPR (with the  dead Assistant Divisional commander still inside his jeep- inside the glider)  "We were just too heavy- gross overload" "Trim characteristics all shot to hell" "I nearly broke both my arms trying to keep her level"  "We came down like a %$#@ meteor"

Hope we can generate some more interest and keep the pot boiling on this one.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, May 29, 2016 12:16 PM

Yeah, I know things that are plain as day to me can pass right by other folks... my own quirks I guess ;)

 

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Posted by GAF on Sunday, May 29, 2016 2:32 PM

Ah, did one late last year.  The experience was... experiencing.  Big Smile

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/168610.aspx

If I build another it will be out of foam!  Propeller

Gary

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, May 30, 2016 3:59 AM

WOW GAF she looks great!! You got there in the end that's the main thing! Excellent job!!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by greentracker98 on Friday, June 03, 2016 11:42 AM

simpilot34

WOW GAF she looks great!! You got there in the end that's the main thing! Excellent job!!

 

I can only think of one more word "very" excellant job GAF

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, June 10, 2016 7:04 AM

Just googled 3 view sailplane drawings and downloaded heaps of them! Getting the urge to try and scratchbuild some 1/72 civvies. ASW 17 or 20 looks doable. Will be myfirst attempts at scratching, so actually looking forward to going that route.

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:00 PM

I'll be in on this one.  Revell Germany has done several modern sailplanes in 1/32, Richie.

I will probaly do a resin Planet kit, I have several.  I like the pre-war gliders.

John

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:33 AM

Awesome John! uh hum, er I mean Admiral sir!Pirate Look forward to seeing some of those. I know about the 1/32 ASW they have but I build 1/72. I saw a few kits at the Model Expo today in 1/72, but they are such a small niche that you're limited to short run kits with the appropriate prices to show for it. Besides I've always wanted to do some scratchbuilds in 1/72 so going to have a crack at it. I fI run into too much hassles I'll break out the WWII military plastics.Smile

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Wirraway on Saturday, October 22, 2016 2:01 AM
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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, October 24, 2016 12:07 AM

Wirraway, why don't you add the participants to your first post.  Might help generate traffic.

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Posted by Wirraway on Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:18 AM
Done- thanks for the heads up John

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:22 AM

Hmm...

have a few candidates, 1 year build time, lists still open?

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:44 PM

Wirraway, sign me up for the Italeri Waco CG-4A.  By the way, I did the Italeri/Testors Me-321/He-111Z combo a few years ago, there's a build log for them on my web site here and here

 

 

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Posted by Wirraway on Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:27 AM
Jon, climb aboard anytime ! John, That build looks great- those little Airfix 1/72 Halftrack towing an 88 goes well doesnt it ? I used the same for my Me323 build. Have got you on the schedule

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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, November 07, 2016 11:46 PM

Made a little start on the CG-4A today, it's an old Italeri kit I've had in the stash for a long time, maybe 20 years.  In the past I did a lot of research on the CG-4A, developing plans for an R/C model.  There is more information available now, and more restored examples, but 30 years ago people were more interested in using the boxes they were shipped in or cutting them up for a source for 4130 tubing.

I'm not going to get too serious about an accurate interior and Italeri must not have had much to go on as they put in sticks where the real thing had big round control wheels that hung from the ceiling via a big Y-shaped tubing structure.  It was that way because all the cable control runs had to go over the top of the cabin due to the nose hingeing up for loading and unloading.  All the structural tubing was visible in the cabin, you could touch the outer fabric most everywhere but the floor.  The exterior is pretty good, and all the shapes look good.  THe CG-4A had a cuff on the leading edge of the wing that is pretty obvious to give it a very mild stall and they did not get that.  Whatever, it's good enough to go in my model museum behind a soon to be started Airfix C-47, keeping company with the Me-321 and He-111Z.

But first a couple of photos of the real thing:

 

These guys do not seem to have a real positive attitude about their situation, do they.

Here's the Italeri cockpit under construction.

 

 

The seat arrangement is more like a modern helicopter rather than the rudimentary plywood affair in the picture above, but basically they are in the right locations.  I couldn't figure out what Italeri had in mind as to installing the supports under the seats, they have to be spaced properly so the floor fits, but you have to put in the seats before you put in the floor, at least on one side.  I solved the problem by putting the floor in place and drilling indentations where the floor was relieved for the legs.  I attached the legs to the seats using very thin glue from a Touch-n-Flow applicator, similar to Tenax, then put that section of seat in place using the indentations to locate the legs.  There are a lot of little tiny parts here!

 

 

I wanted to pose the elevators deflected down for a little animation, so I scored them using a JLC saw and the back side of a #11 exacto blade, bent them when the cuts were deep enough and flowed some glue into the joins on top and bottom.  It's always an issue trying to get equal deflection, but I solved that with a Rube Goldberg construct, both stabilizers are clamped in the big clamp and the clothespin holds both elevators.

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:26 AM

A little more done on the CG-4A.  The interior provided by Italeri has floor and seats extending aft of the side door and I was lazy and did it that way, but I am 99% sure that there were no seats aft of the side door.  I added a seatback rail from Plastruct strip.  The wood areas were painted Model Master Wood and overcoated with Tamiya Clear orange.  MM Radome Tan was used for the fabric areas, and interior green for the steel tubing, of which far too little is in evidence.  I replaced the kit skid mounts with plastruct channel, looks more like the box arrangement on the original.  Fairly sloppy paint work, I admit, but once the model is closed up only what little that can be seen through the door and a possibly open front section will be visible.
 
 
 

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:37 PM

Nice work, John!  Glad to see someone else tackle the WACO.  Those seats (for passengers) are pretty much imaginary as everything I've seen make them out to be box-like structures.  These included in the kit look like something out of a Korean War ambulance.

Oh, and here's a nice exterior shot.  Was wondering about those "cuffs" you mentioned?

Notice that there's no top window on this version?  Smile  I've put a stop to my diorama because I don't think these CG-4As had a window in the top of the fuselage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2tjVJ2LT9o

Gary

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, November 12, 2016 5:38 PM

Hi, Gary.  Probably better to leave the top window out, based on this photo from the assembly area at Greenham Common.  Below that a photo of the wing root, see how the leading edge droops, that's often callled a cuff.  You can see it on an Ercoupe's wing, and also on late model Cessna 185's or others with Owl or Roberstson STOL conversions.  Gives a milder stall at a lower airspeed.

 

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, November 12, 2016 8:55 PM

Ah, thanks John!  I see what you mean about the leading edge.  Might be difficult to model that without exaggerating the droop.  Perhaps by gluing a very thin piece of plasti-card along the front edge of the bottom of the wing, then sanding it down might give the appearance of a droop, but it wouldn't quite be correct.

Anyway, thought I would mention the top window since I missed it on my build.  I now have to decide what I'm going to do about it.  Let me know what you come up with.  Big Smile

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Posted by B-36Andy on Sunday, November 13, 2016 5:57 PM

Just a few notes on our glider build---

-There is nicely restored CG4a at the Silent Wings Museum at Lubbock, Texas---possibly they have some nice pics--

Early in WWII the Luftwaffe squadrons had one or two small gliders (Grunau Babies, etc) tucked away in the backs of hangers for off duty recreational flying. They didn't have crosses on wings but were marked WL- with 3 alphabet letters (WL-GRF as example), and were either grey or clear doped. WL is designation for Wermacht Luft or Luftwaffe.

Also right after the war, German glider clubs used the wood from the many abandoned CG4a's to make sport gliders. It was illegal to fly at that time by Germans, but they flew secretly at night by moonlight! (How do you separate the Germans from their gliding?--you can't!)

This info from my old German Flying instructor---- 

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