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WHO NEEDS ENGINES ? THE 2017 GLIDER GROUP BUILD

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 8:32 AM

Plastic has been cut.... Surprise

with 18 plastic parts & 38 PE! I should be done in less than a year.... Wink

Grunau Baby IIc a 

 

Grunau Baby IIc b

I've never built anything OOB, so watch this space for the twist.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:57 PM

Wirraway, the badge looks good.

My thought was that the cables attach in line with and right behind the engine nacelles that are closest to the fuselages, just from looking at the photo.  I think there were brackets that were external to the wing skin.  There must have been so means of disconnecting the cables, perhaps the brackets had latches of some time operated by the crew.  On the cable closest in the picture I think I can see a clevis on the end of the cable.

John

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Posted by Wirraway on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:21 AM
Thanks John. I found your zwilling build on Swanny's page and am definately bookmarking those photos for reference (not looking forward to those spiral spinners- never attempted before - no decals in the Italeri kit- just red spirals, handpainted. Hmm, might have to look for some adftermarket decals. Paul.

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:31 AM

small weekend update:

small glider

pre-shading experiment:

shady

9 teeny-tiny PE bits that need painting just for the seatbelt, need an electron microscope!

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:03 PM

Nice start. Jon.  Waldoes are what I wish for, along with the electron microscope.

John

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Posted by Wirraway on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:28 AM
Jon that is looking good. How is everyone else going ?

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:42 AM

Wirraway
Jon that is looking good.

Fuselage closed up (after 3-part instrument panel replaced with other one on sprue... Indifferent )
 
Tiny 'lip' glued in round cockpit opening to give screen something to adhere to & 2nd silver-dope coat on major parts, minor dinks to fill & patch.
 
Decided leave the majority of the unused PE errr unused as If I can loose the instrument panel and a 1/4 of the seat belt PE... I'm not going to have a chance with the spar retention brackets!
 
Researching the width & position of the yellow trainer bands on RAF WW2 training gliders, anyone got input?
 
Pics soon
 

Wirraway
How is everyone else going?

Hope to see others' work soon Smile

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:13 PM

Jon, here is the relevant section from Aircraft Colors and Markings, 1907-1954 by Bruce Robertson.  The rule was 3 foot wide stripes 6 feet apart applied oblique to the centerline of the fuselage.  I think oblique means 45 degrees as that is all I have ever seen pictured.  Also the bottom of a Baynes Bat I built some time ago.  I am surprised to find that Grunau Babys were used by the British military in WW II.

 

John

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:54 AM

Jeaton01 nice bat!

Thanks for really interesting info, confirmation of at least one Grunau/T5 contempory serial number.

I've read Slingsby built the Grunau Baby as a T5 under license & I've seen some WW2 gliding school pics of various impressed early marks in what appears to be silver with yellow bands as well as a Gull/Petrel in the above black/yellow/camo scheme.

Confusing, but interesting! I've yet to find any start/end dates for the silver/yellow scheme, but by the time I did my Air Traing Corps gliding '77-'79, the Sedbergs & Kirby Cadet T3's were in white/red.

Sooo Silver/yellow for this bird, & b/y/c for the next one...

Silver Dream Machine

Pegs & pinholes to give a positive join, & a tiny lip round the front cockpit for the screen.
pre-shading a bit of a dud for me, will rethink....

 

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Posted by Wirraway on Friday, January 27, 2017 2:01 AM

I had forgotten just how big a beastie the Gigant is.  Here is the wingspan compared to a 1/48 B-17.  Hard to believe a company actually made a 1/48 version.  All those little actuators on the control surfaces! - Admiral- you know what I'm talking about- sanding seams and ejector marks on those tiny parts !  (definately going to build all the 1/72 kits before the eyesight goes) Thankfully not to much tweezerpault with the little parts.

Are we missing a few members ?  Are we down to a trio ?

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, January 29, 2017 1:09 PM

Gamera, the Me-321 does take up a lot of shelf space.

Here is the C-53D to go along with the CG-4A I did for this GB.   I put the build thread in Aircraft because, well, it's not a glider.  More gliders to come.  The Horsa next.

John

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Posted by Wirraway on Monday, January 30, 2017 3:09 AM
Lovely work there John- looking forward to your next effort.

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:25 AM

I haven't been on here for a while.

This is the only glider I oun, so this is the perfect excuse to build it.

Count me in with a Czech Model  1/48 Blohm und Voss Bv 40 armored glider fighter.

PANZERJAGER

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Friday, February 03, 2017 10:05 AM

I don't know if I am in yet, but,

Here are some progres picks.

Crappy kit, I will need to do a lot of filling and panel scribing.

PANZERJAGER

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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, February 03, 2017 9:30 PM

It does look like the resin will fit OK. 

John

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Monday, February 06, 2017 3:38 AM

Quick update on the Grunau Baby....

A rushed gloss coat came back & bit me producing a horrible reptilian scale effect...

A few hours of sanding & repainting with a 40/60 mix of Tamiya white/silver (with a shot of Future to harden/gloss it) has brought it back.

From research with The Museum Of Army Flying, it appears that the Silver Dope/yellow stripe scheme was post-war, D'oh...

More research!

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Posted by Wirraway on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:04 AM
PANZERJAGER that is looking good. I'll get you on the roster as soon as i've sorted out my computer woes.

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Posted by WannabeFarmboy on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 7:18 AM

Question: The tests of the V-1 were glider tests, and the early models glided into their targets because they ran out of fuel. Would a V-1 count for this GB? I ask because I've got a 1/48 Tamiya V-1 that I bought to display beside the Hawker Tempest I'm currently working on. If I'm gonna build it anyway... Ya know?

Aaaannnddd I just re-read the part about guided bomb. So, sign me up. 

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 7:47 AM

WannabeFarmboy

Question: The tests of the V-1 were glider tests, and the early models glided into their targets because they ran out of fuel....

Aaaannnddd I just re-read the part about guided bomb. So, sign me up.

 

Welcome ...

but the V1 weapon is more correctly a missile, wasn't guided, merely pointed in a particular direction, & when they reached their pre-set distance, the engine was cut, & it was deliberately nose-dived into the ground, so they didn't glide anyway...

The manned (or woman-ed by Hanna Reitsch) prototype Fieseler Fi 103R Reichenberg 

could be considered a glider?

 

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Posted by WannabeFarmboy on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:18 PM

I can try to find another subject as an entry for the GB, but I can't guarantee that I'll be able to work it. I was just reading that, in the early models, it was a design flaw that caused the fuel starvation. When the V-1 had flown it's designated distance, the flaps were turned to cause it to slam into the ground. The angle of descent caused the fuel to shift to the front which, in turn, caused a loss of power. The loss of power then caused the rocket to go into a glide that made the V-1 land at a much more shallow angle than intended (oddly enough, the flaw seemingly caused there to be a wider blast radius). 

Anyway, not trying to talk my V-1 into the GB. Just wanted to clarify my thought process, and thought it could make for an interesting discussion. As I said, I'm glad to look for a different subject. Even if I don't find one, I'm along for the ride. 

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:37 PM

WannabeFarmboy

I can try to find another subject as an entry for the GB, but I can't guarantee that I'll be able to work it.

No worries, sign up with Wirraway when you find something, you got...

Run time- January 2017 through to December 2017.

pleny of time, & anything under a year is a speed build for me...

you

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Posted by Wirraway on Thursday, February 09, 2017 4:14 AM
I dont have a problem with a V1 being in the group build. Welcome aboard ! Took 8 oz of nose weights but I finally got the gigant to sit on its wheels. Next trick will be saving the crappy decals. I've given them a coat of microscale and fingers crossed.

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Posted by WannabeFarmboy on Thursday, February 09, 2017 5:22 AM

Wirraway
I dont have a problem with a V1 being in the group build. Welcome aboard ! Took 8 oz of nose weights but I finally got the gigant to sit on its wheels. Next trick will be saving the crappy decals. I've given them a coat of microscale and fingers crossed.
 

I actually just went and looked up the planes for your build Because I had no idea which plane the 321 was. It should be awesome when it's done. 

As far as the V-1, thanks! I've actually got most of the build done. Just have to clean the seams, fix a gap or two, paint, and decal. Wish it was a more involved build, but it's a fun one so far. 

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Posted by B-36Andy on Thursday, February 09, 2017 8:47 PM

With the old pre-war or WWII Grunau Babies. they were finished in clear varnished plywood like the old Albatros fighters of WWI. With age, they developed dark cracks along fusalage seams and on the leading edge of the wing. the Germans didnt know why this happened but later discovered it was UV deterioration. These were very narrow dark cracks.

The wing and tail was covered in clear doped linen, with the linen just covering about an inch of the plywood. So the plywood was never covered over to save weight as the plane would only weigh about 300 pounds. The linen was never stitched to the ribs as were most engine powered fabric planes. The whole plane was just glued together, with a few metal fittings! You had to be careful never to leave them out in the weather and melting snow on wings was the end of the little Baby!

The Luftwaffe kept these little gems in the backs of hangers for fun flying when pilots were off duty.

(Info from my old Luftwaffe flying instructor)

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Friday, February 10, 2017 3:07 AM

format error...

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 AM

Sehr interessante Informationen B-36 Andy Smile

Reading from Slingsby's writings (about the T5 & T7) they were silver doped overall for the ATC, much to his disgust, at it spoiled the handling by adding weight.

From the pics I've seen (so far) the pics that are obviously in RAF/ATC service they are a single colour, with RAF markings, but as yet it isn't clear to me if they were silver or linen coloured.

I haven't (yet) seen any duo-toned birds as above in RAF colours.

Experiments with white Humbrol Enamel Wash are continuing, they flow fine into grooves as advertised, but not round the very fine raised detail on the wings...


to be continued... Indifferent

I could always do black/yellow/camo....

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Posted by Wirraway on Friday, February 10, 2017 10:46 PM
Guys. I am on vacation for 2 weeks to a part of Australia that doesnt always have great internet coverage. See you all in a fortnight.

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:53 AM

Quick update:

Orange peel, due to rushing the Humbrol gloss over Tamiya acrylic, since sanded out...

 

More shading experiments, with Humbrol white enamel wash:

 

Final (!) paint, on with the Xtradecals, 
the 'floating numbers' are nominal serials, in increasing point sizes printed on to a transparency, to gauge (more Xtradecal) decal sizes for the serial no's.

The mini-dividers are a FB win, Hobby Elements HE3004T (FB Link)  useful to measure delicate items where you wouldn't want calipers...

and finally...

busy busy... Wink

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:17 AM

Am I wrong, or has there been no badge proposed for this fine group build?  If so, This Can Not Stand!

Herewith some proposals for the esteemed Wirraway to consider:

 

        

John

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