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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, March 26, 2018 1:58 AM

Bob that look pretty good to me. No worries about the deadline, will be great to see it finished when you can.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 26, 2018 7:29 AM

Bob: Looks like a pretty darn good job on the camo to me. 

 

Well, got the canopy and landing gear on my Tempest done over the weekend. Still not totally crazy about how the panel line washes came out, I'm been putting off spraying the final matte coat to 'lock' them in place. Not sure I'll make it deadline but if not I won't miss it by much. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Monday, March 26, 2018 11:10 AM

Stik nice ware on rudder pedals and that pit is looking real good

LG cant wait to see that lighting painted

isteve beautiful job on that spitfire

bobbaily P-40 in sand camo nice.

 

Nick.

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Monday, March 26, 2018 11:16 AM

Bob, I also think your camo looks very good. I wasn't even aware of pre-cut masks, the results are impressive.

LA, I forgot to say thanks for you nice comment.

-Greg

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, March 26, 2018 12:08 PM

Bob, the camou looks good from here. 

RAF camou can be a bit confusing at times, seems there are differnet patterns out there. Plus added to the mix are mirrored patterns and reveresed colours.  Are these home made or  an aftermarket item?

regards,

Jack

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Monday, March 26, 2018 6:42 PM
There is a 1/48 mask for a RAF Tomahawk on eBay for about $6 - think I'll get one. Another reason I think Tamiya is simply trumps - kind of the hill - better than anyone else - is that one their later kits they include a scale example of a camo pattern if it's needed for the plane. I used one for a Beaufighter a few months back and it was terrific. Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by bobbaily on Monday, March 26, 2018 7:01 PM

Bish, Gamera, Crown, Greg& Jack-thanks for the encouraging words.  I applied Future this evening-should be able to get the decals on tomorrow.

The mask was manufactured by AMLM-picked it up on eBay.  The material is 3M Oramask 810-I Googled it and it is reasonable-would be easy to transfer paper mask to this material and possibly use it more than once-will probably do so when I build a Tamiya kit since they supply the paper mask.

bob

 

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:31 AM
I see you guys talking about pre-cut masks. Check out Top Notch Models and Masks on Facebook; Sean Middleton does a nice range of masks, of which I have used on a couple of kits already, and have been pleased with the results. He even does custom work!

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:41 PM

Well, the Battle of Britain diorama is coming together.  The first part is now done, the Spitfire Mk. 1 being refueled from an Albion refueling truck.  Still finishing up the ground crew performing maintenance on the Hurricane Mk. 1, then I'll incorporate them into the scene.

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The refueling hose I made is a bit out of scale.  I've ordered some black rubber hose (actually coated wire) from Tamiya that should hopefully be closer to scale, so I may replace the hose seen in the pictures now.

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 7:21 PM

Nice diorama AA-Spitfire looks great.

bob

 

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Posted by castelnuovo on Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:19 AM

lostagain

Castelnuovo,
Super finish of an ungainly looking subject, you did well on the rigging. Haven’t seen those colours before. By the by, what's your TT bike?

 

Thanks lostagain Smile The TT bike is Cervelo P2C with Shimano 105/Ultegra group and Look pedals. Just like the rider, it is getting a bit long at the teeth ( I think that is the expression Smile) but it still is a kick @#$% bike.

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Posted by castelnuovo on Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:22 AM

iSteve

Castel - Now I have to get one of those. Excellent build and you're a better man than I to use sprue for rigging and have it turn out so well.

 

Thanks iSteve. It was a fun build with fairy well fitting parts and good instructions. If you, unlike me, have steady hands, you will have no problems with fitting the sprues in

 Cheers...

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:48 AM

Ohhh, cool AA! Nice work on the Spit and the fueling vehicle!* Looking forward to seeing the rest of the ground crew take their places. 

 

*So am I supposed to call the fueling vehicle a truck or a lorry!?! Tongue Tied

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:25 AM

Gamera

Ohhh, cool AA! Nice work on the Spit and the fueling vehicle!* Looking forward to seeing the rest of the ground crew take their places. 

 

*So am I supposed to call the fueling vehicle a truck or a lorry!?! Tongue Tied

 

Its a lorry old boy. A truck is an open wagon carrying coal or other such materials pulled by a train Wink

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:37 AM

Thanks Bish! 

I think I'll just stay with fueling vehicle! Wink

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Saturday, March 31, 2018 3:28 AM

 

Won't make the deadline but some progress on the Sunderland.

 

 

This will be another black/basing heavy weather plane. I'm under time constraints so I may have to leave behind some refinements. The plane could use chipping - maybe - but I think I'll settle for a nice irregular fade. The thing would look very nice on a water base - I'm not sure that's going to happen. The kit's so big in all three dimensions that a base might take a while. It does have a kind of trolly that was used on the plane for shore repair - it looks dorky but it is historical. We'll see.

 

 

Just to refresh black basing is a painting technique that starts with a black primer. You then "motle" the surface with very thin, low psi squiggles - it looks bad then. After that's done, you spray on a very light coat of the base color - you don't want to get a complete cover - that would eliminate the whole point. (If you preshade, covering it would do the same.) When done with the two stages you want a surface that is a little chaotic. There's more weathering still to come. Black basing an RAF plane has a big disadvantage. You have to mask and treat each color separately. You can't paint the top a light color and then just mask the dark color. So overspray is inevitable. Fortunately fixing the overspray will add to the chaos you want - or at least that's the idea. But it adds time, especially on this hog.

 

 

Here's the masked top with one color mottled:

 

 Mottle1 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

Here's the bottom (color Sky1) half mottled, half blended:

 

 skymotbld by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

Here's a close up of the bottom wing blended. It's quite irregular but you can tell the color. There is so little paint on the thing that the detail work (not a strong point on this kit) stands out clearly:

 

 

 skyblend by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

Here are two of the plane fully blended - the irregular color is pretty obvious. However, I've just finished the decals (of which there were very few - Cartograph are really neat) so the model is full gloss and I don't have my correct photo lighting bulb installed - that doesn't help pics. But it's starting to look like a model. The kit would look like hell even with the best of the photos. But I hope I'm at the right place to start some pretty serious weathering. That's the idea anyway.

 

 decals1 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 decals2 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

I'll try to make a final check of other builds tomorrow. If events intervene, thanks Bish and everyone else for a very sweet GB. Some really good kits. Bar is getting pretty high here.

 

Eric

 

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Saturday, March 31, 2018 8:46 AM

Wow too cool ! it reminds me of raiders of the lost ark (in airline colors) . Confused

 

Nick.

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:18 AM

Eric, that is looking really good.  I wouldn't worry too much about chipping in terms of hard edge, likely just some wearing of paint from the crew walking and climbing about. 

Hope you will do some weathering on the roundels to match the black basing.  I've seen a few builds from other people where they weathered the paint surfaces and left pristine decals - but suppose the effect still looks cool.

regards,

Jack

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:30 AM

bobbaily

The mask was manufactured by AMLM-picked it up on eBay.  The material is 3M Oramask 810-I Googled it and it is reasonable-would be easy to transfer paper mask to this material and possibly use it more than once-will probably do so when I build a Tamiya kit since they supply the paper mask.

Thanks for the additional info on the masks, Bob.

Armor_Aficionado
I see you guys talking about pre-cut masks. Check out Top Notch Models and Masks on Facebook; Sean Middleton does a nice range of masks, of which I have used on a couple of kits already, and have been pleased with the results. He even does custom work!

...and to you too, aa.

-Greg

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:38 AM

Thats looking great Eric, love the effect on that. And don't about about any dealines, keep posting your pics until your done.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:14 PM

aa, the the dio looks good.

Eric, nice job on the paintjob. Bit of an understatement. It never ceases to amaze me how much work is involved in making a paint job look not factory fresh.

-Greg

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, March 31, 2018 2:23 PM

AA, just had a chance to check out your pics. Thats coming along nicely.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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    January 2016
  • From: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Posted by iSteve on Sunday, April 1, 2018 1:23 AM

My final update:

I used Alclad aqua gloss on the entire surface to prep for decals and on they went, after a quick brush for each with Micro Set. I've been very happy with Airfix's decals with their new releases and these were no exception. They're solid without being too thick and snuggled down nicely.

As well as they went down, I still wanted them form-fitting to the surface and panel lines, so I generously brushed on the Micro Sol. This turned out to be my undoing as for some reason, the Micro Sol reacted to the Alclad Aqua Gloss and left stains.

The stains were even more noticeable on the underside where the paint was lighter. I did some reading online and turns out this has happened to others. It also occurs with Future gloss. Apparently, there's a chemical reaction, though I've used Micro Sol over Aqua Gloss before without any ill effects. It wasn't noticeable on the dark green areas, so perhaps I had previously used it on darker colours. It may have also been the combination of the gloss with the Mr. Color Aqueous, but it had dried thoroughly before the gloss went on. The solution was simple, if not a little tedious. I airbrushed the colours over the stains and for the rest of the decals, I dabbed away any excess beyond the decal. So long as the excess beyond the decal was minimal and not fairly large droplets, there were no further adverse reactions.

I moved on to some of the smaller details. I mixed Alclad Exhaust Manifold with Pale Burnt Metal for the exhausts.

Masking complex curves on windscreens is always fun. In the past, I have simply over-masked, rubbed down the edges with a toothpick and then used a new Exacto blade to trim. What I found, though, was that the slightest miss - which would invariably occur - would stick out like a sore thumb to me on the glass. So this time I used very thin strips or cut small patches to do the edges and then filled in. It worked rather well with just a couple of touch-ups with a brush.

I added another gloss coat to seal the decals and added Flory Washes for weathering. I love Flory Washes because they're so easy to work with and so forgiving. Clean up is simple with a damp Q-Tip. I was selective about where I put the washes: I wanted to show a fairly clean plane and I don't go for stark, dark panel lines on my models unless there is a reason. The gun access hatches, maintenance hatches and so forth received washes and dirt spatter and areas that pick up grime were also brushed with wash.

Once the weathering was on to my liking, I used Tamiya -Semi Gloss Clear out of the airbrush for its final coat and then added some aluminum "chipping" along the wing root with a small bit of sponge.

The windscreens went on next, after some dry-fitting and particularly a bit of sanding and scraping on the front screen around the armor area. The small rear view mirror was first painted silver on one side so the mirror part would remain as "glass" and then painted over that with dark green to attempt to create a more realistic reflector.

I painted on the red gun patches, then hit them, the ejector holes on the bottom and the exhausts with Tamiya Smoke. Some touches over that again with the semi gloss took away the glossy sheen the smoke had.

And that pretty much wrapped it up.

This was a great group build. I wasn't rushed but at the same time it moved my progress along to meet the deadline.

Thanks Bish for hosting this great group build! I hope I haven't been too verbose, but I always see posting on FSM to not just show off, but to hopefully pass on some useful information. Thanks again for this opportunity.

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 1, 2018 3:46 AM

Steve, really nice job on tha Spit, its come out great. And i think your post have been spotting. Shareing tips and ideas is just as iumportant as posting the pics.

I do like your exhausts, i have been trying different things to get a good lok on mine. I like how yours have come out.

Thanks for taking part and shareing your work with us.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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    October 2009
  • From: Worcester, England.
Posted by aeroplanegripper on Sunday, April 1, 2018 6:43 AM

Happy Birthday RAF! 100 years old and still going strong, Per Ardua Ad Astra!

Best Regards

Mark

"bis vivit qui bene vivit"

 

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  • From: Naples, FL
Posted by tempestjohnny on Sunday, April 1, 2018 8:53 AM

Finished!!!

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, April 1, 2018 9:00 AM

Steve, excellent work on the BoB era Spitfire. Yes

Everything about it looks solid to me, and good stuff on overcoming the decal problem.

 --------------------------------------------

tempestjohnny, cracking job on your Mossie. Yes

She looks to be a fine example of this popular 'wooden wonder'.

 

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 1, 2018 9:45 AM

Superbly done TJ, thats 3 great builds you have done here. Thank you for taking part.

Now, we will get any more completions before the end of the day.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Sunday, April 1, 2018 10:49 AM

Thanks Jack and Bish

Bish hopefully I can get a few in for the Commonwealth GB

 

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Sunday, April 1, 2018 11:00 AM

Steve, that was a great update post (and finished post combined!). And right on time, too! :)

I think your Spitfire looks great, it makes me want to build one.

I also think I've read a couple of posts regarding Microsol staining over Alclad aqua clear (the acrylic stuff). It's neat how you fixed the problem.

-Greg

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