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  • Member since
    February 2010
  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Saturday, March 31, 2018 3:28 AM

 

Won't make the deadline but some progress on the Sunderland.

 

 

This will be another black/basing heavy weather plane. I'm under time constraints so I may have to leave behind some refinements. The plane could use chipping - maybe - but I think I'll settle for a nice irregular fade. The thing would look very nice on a water base - I'm not sure that's going to happen. The kit's so big in all three dimensions that a base might take a while. It does have a kind of trolly that was used on the plane for shore repair - it looks dorky but it is historical. We'll see.

 

 

Just to refresh black basing is a painting technique that starts with a black primer. You then "motle" the surface with very thin, low psi squiggles - it looks bad then. After that's done, you spray on a very light coat of the base color - you don't want to get a complete cover - that would eliminate the whole point. (If you preshade, covering it would do the same.) When done with the two stages you want a surface that is a little chaotic. There's more weathering still to come. Black basing an RAF plane has a big disadvantage. You have to mask and treat each color separately. You can't paint the top a light color and then just mask the dark color. So overspray is inevitable. Fortunately fixing the overspray will add to the chaos you want - or at least that's the idea. But it adds time, especially on this hog.

 

 

Here's the masked top with one color mottled:

 

 Mottle1 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

Here's the bottom (color Sky1) half mottled, half blended:

 

 skymotbld by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

Here's a close up of the bottom wing blended. It's quite irregular but you can tell the color. There is so little paint on the thing that the detail work (not a strong point on this kit) stands out clearly:

 

 

 skyblend by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

Here are two of the plane fully blended - the irregular color is pretty obvious. However, I've just finished the decals (of which there were very few - Cartograph are really neat) so the model is full gloss and I don't have my correct photo lighting bulb installed - that doesn't help pics. But it's starting to look like a model. The kit would look like hell even with the best of the photos. But I hope I'm at the right place to start some pretty serious weathering. That's the idea anyway.

 

 decals1 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 decals2 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

I'll try to make a final check of other builds tomorrow. If events intervene, thanks Bish and everyone else for a very sweet GB. Some really good kits. Bar is getting pretty high here.

 

Eric

 

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:37 AM

Thanks Bish! 

I think I'll just stay with fueling vehicle! Wink

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:25 AM

Gamera

Ohhh, cool AA! Nice work on the Spit and the fueling vehicle!* Looking forward to seeing the rest of the ground crew take their places. 

 

*So am I supposed to call the fueling vehicle a truck or a lorry!?! Tongue Tied

 

Its a lorry old boy. A truck is an open wagon carrying coal or other such materials pulled by a train Wink

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:48 AM

Ohhh, cool AA! Nice work on the Spit and the fueling vehicle!* Looking forward to seeing the rest of the ground crew take their places. 

 

*So am I supposed to call the fueling vehicle a truck or a lorry!?! Tongue Tied

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Vancouver, the "wet coast"
Posted by castelnuovo on Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:22 AM

iSteve

Castel - Now I have to get one of those. Excellent build and you're a better man than I to use sprue for rigging and have it turn out so well.

 

Thanks iSteve. It was a fun build with fairy well fitting parts and good instructions. If you, unlike me, have steady hands, you will have no problems with fitting the sprues in

 Cheers...

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  • From: Vancouver, the "wet coast"
Posted by castelnuovo on Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:19 AM

lostagain

Castelnuovo,
Super finish of an ungainly looking subject, you did well on the rigging. Haven’t seen those colours before. By the by, what's your TT bike?

 

Thanks lostagain Smile The TT bike is Cervelo P2C with Shimano 105/Ultegra group and Look pedals. Just like the rider, it is getting a bit long at the teeth ( I think that is the expression Smile) but it still is a kick @#$% bike.

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 7:21 PM

Nice diorama AA-Spitfire looks great.

bob

 

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    March 2017
Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:41 PM

Well, the Battle of Britain diorama is coming together.  The first part is now done, the Spitfire Mk. 1 being refueled from an Albion refueling truck.  Still finishing up the ground crew performing maintenance on the Hurricane Mk. 1, then I'll incorporate them into the scene.

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The refueling hose I made is a bit out of scale.  I've ordered some black rubber hose (actually coated wire) from Tamiya that should hopefully be closer to scale, so I may replace the hose seen in the pictures now.

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:31 AM
I see you guys talking about pre-cut masks. Check out Top Notch Models and Masks on Facebook; Sean Middleton does a nice range of masks, of which I have used on a couple of kits already, and have been pleased with the results. He even does custom work!

  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Monday, March 26, 2018 7:01 PM

Bish, Gamera, Crown, Greg& Jack-thanks for the encouraging words.  I applied Future this evening-should be able to get the decals on tomorrow.

The mask was manufactured by AMLM-picked it up on eBay.  The material is 3M Oramask 810-I Googled it and it is reasonable-would be easy to transfer paper mask to this material and possibly use it more than once-will probably do so when I build a Tamiya kit since they supply the paper mask.

bob

 

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Monday, March 26, 2018 6:42 PM
There is a 1/48 mask for a RAF Tomahawk on eBay for about $6 - think I'll get one. Another reason I think Tamiya is simply trumps - kind of the hill - better than anyone else - is that one their later kits they include a scale example of a camo pattern if it's needed for the plane. I used one for a Beaufighter a few months back and it was terrific. Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Monday, March 26, 2018 12:08 PM

Bob, the camou looks good from here. 

RAF camou can be a bit confusing at times, seems there are differnet patterns out there. Plus added to the mix are mirrored patterns and reveresed colours.  Are these home made or  an aftermarket item?

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Monday, March 26, 2018 11:16 AM

Bob, I also think your camo looks very good. I wasn't even aware of pre-cut masks, the results are impressive.

LA, I forgot to say thanks for you nice comment.

-Greg

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Monday, March 26, 2018 11:10 AM

Stik nice ware on rudder pedals and that pit is looking real good

LG cant wait to see that lighting painted

isteve beautiful job on that spitfire

bobbaily P-40 in sand camo nice.

 

Nick.

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 26, 2018 7:29 AM

Bob: Looks like a pretty darn good job on the camo to me. 

 

Well, got the canopy and landing gear on my Tempest done over the weekend. Still not totally crazy about how the panel line washes came out, I'm been putting off spraying the final matte coat to 'lock' them in place. Not sure I'll make it deadline but if not I won't miss it by much. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, March 26, 2018 1:58 AM

Bob that look pretty good to me. No worries about the deadline, will be great to see it finished when you can.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:10 PM

Some progress this weekend-

Cheated and used pre-cut mask-and after review, they are a different pattern than the decals call out-I'm going to go with what I've got at this point

Not my best work-fit & finish could be better but this is a good 're-entry' project.  Planning on Futuring it tomorrow evening, decals on Tue.  Won't make the 4/1/18 deadline-heading out of town on Friday am but I should be close.

Upside-I'm thinking the camo masks can be reused.

Downside-I'm not sold on Vallejo model air yet-great color selection, at times it sprays great, other times I'm struggling to get the paint/thinner ratio right.  However, I've finding it to be very forgiving if I spray it on too heavy. 

bob

 

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:37 PM

Steve, I simply must give that Gunze a go. Just have to pick some colors.

And I'm for sure going to try the wax paper, sharp blade trick. Sure have nothing to loose as the worms are so easy to apply anyway. Again, thanks.

-Greg

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    November 2003
  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, March 24, 2018 6:09 PM

Lost-I feel your pain-it can be a very frustrating process at times-hope things start going in the other direction for you.

iSteve-thanks for posting the tutorial-I had never thought of putting wax paper over the poster putty worms-may give it a try tomorrow.

bob

 

  • Member since
    January 2016
  • From: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Posted by iSteve on Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:33 PM

Greg

Steve, wow, that's quite an update! Looking good to say the least. I keep thinking one day to try Gunze Aquaeous (despite not being able to spell it and being hard to find). Your comments make me want to more.

I like your wax paper idea, which I think you mentioned to me earlier. Like Cliff, I'm afraid of cutting the wax paper withour affecting worms, but if you say it can be done......

Thanks Greg! I buy my Aqueous online from the UK - it's very inexpensive and because it's not lacquer, it's deemed not hazardous and can be mailed to Canada (or the US I would assume). There are several places to buy - all at reasonable rates. I use Air-craft.net. Try it - you'll love it.

Once the worms are down, they're pretty good at staying that way. You only have to go deep enough to get through the wax paper and if you're using a sharp blade, it's very quick and easy.

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    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:57 AM

LA, I too am curious what is causing all the re-primes? Sorry you're having all that trouble.

I love my PPP except I also like to wet sand and it bothers me greatly that PPP is not wet-sandable, as you mentioned.

Steve, wow, that's quite an update! Looking good to say the least. I keep thinking one day to try Gunze Aquaeous (despite not being able to spell it and being hard to find). Your comments make me want to more.

I like your wax paper idea, which I think you mentioned to me earlier. Like Cliff, I'm afraid of cutting the wax paper withour affecting worms, but if you say it can be done......

-Greg

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:15 AM

LA: Odd, I get orange peel often if not most of the time with gloss paints but rarely with matte. Hope you get it all worked out.

Steve: Great job there, esp the camo!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:05 AM

Lost, man I hate when technical issues like that slow down the build progress, hope you get it sorted out soon.  What type of black paint are you using to prime with?

Steve, that is looking quite good, and interesting variation on using poster tac.  I like the idea of wax paper, but I myself would be hesitant in trying to cut it atop the 'worms' as with my luck it would probably shift their positioning. 

Thanks both for your kind comments on the Camel build.

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, March 24, 2018 7:48 AM

Steve, great job on the Spit, camo looks really nice. I know what you mean, time spent taking pics and posting updates is not your not building.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, March 24, 2018 7:46 AM

LA, coming on nicely, whats caseing the orange peel effect.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

  • Member since
    January 2016
  • From: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Posted by iSteve on Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:22 AM

Lost - Your kit has been quite a fight! Don't let it beat you - the end is nigh :)

Nick - Fantastic job on the Meteor! A great finish after having to deal with paint run amok. I know your pain.

Johnny - Love the camo scheme on the Mossie. That's how I want to do the one I have.

Castel - Now I have to get one of those. Excellent build and you're a better man than I to use sprue for rigging and have it turn out so well.

Bob - Great progress on the P-40. It's one of my favourite planes and you're off to a great start.

Murph - Beautiful builds sir!

Jack - And still more incredible detail going into that plane. Just stunning work!

Stik - Excellent progress indeed. Keep it coming!

So here's some of what I've been up to...

The wings went on really well with a nice, tight fit. I moved on to puttying, which only required a small amount of Perfect Plastic Putty. Most of the "sanding" needed was done with a wet Q-Tip and rest cleaned up with 1000-grit sandpaper. There was some work near the wing roots and at the front of the wings where they connect to the fuselage. The saddle for the fuel tank needed a little work to make the join look right. There was also a panel line near the nose that needed to be removed as it doesn't exist on the real plane.

The biggest gap was the join at the tail. Again I used PPP and taped off areas to retain the change in depth along the sides. The puttying went well, but I should have used either CA glue or tried to "weld" it with plastic glue: when I went to re-scribe the panel line, there was some chipping, which wouldn't have occurred with a harder surface.

I next dealt with the radiators and painted the insides before gluing them to the wings. I used Aclad aluminum on the grills and then used a Flory Wash to give it some wear. I could have washed the insides of the housing as well, but it wouldn't be seen at all.

I prepped for priming. I had first considered using the unused closed canopy, but with the door missing, I'd have to tape anyway, so I just taped over the whole cockpit. The canopy will go in the spares box.

Again, I used Stynylrez gray primer.

Cleanup was minimal.

Then came the base coats: Mr. Hobby Aqueous Sky (Duck Egg Green) and Dark Earth. The colours looked great (to my untrained eye) and it was nice to not have to mix colours or use "close enough." This stuff goes down beautifully. The control I had with my airbrush was like nothing I'd experienced before and no thinning was necessary out of a .4 nozzle. While I still like Tamiya paints, this stuff is fantastic. It has a longer drying time and has a finish like an enamel - glossy, but not as thick. Coverage is excellent and only requires a few light coats. If I had tried black-basing or highlighted the panel lines, I think I would thin this stuff more to give it some transparency.

To mask for the Dark Green, I gave my plane worms. Do with that comment as you will.

I used blue poster tack, purchased at Dollarama. It's cheap. works perfectly and doesn't leave any residue or discolouration.

I then laid wax paper over the model and pressed it to adhere to the tack. I use wax paper as it's transparent and I can them see where to trim it. I just run a blade through the centre of the tack and remove the excess. I've tried using plastic wrap, but it doesn't cut as easily and more often just pulls with the blade.

On went the dark green.

There are two things to consider when using this method: keep the angle of the airbrush consistent against the edges of the mask so that there are no "steps" in the painted edge, and when you remove the tack, to carefully pull away at an angle parallel with the surface so as not to pull up any paint, as you would with masking tape. I had one small spot that lifted and one area where the paint stepped, but the spot was easily fixed and the step would be covered by a decal.

I've made more progress, but pictures and posts do take what little time I have for modeling - stay tuned!

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Friday, March 23, 2018 7:42 PM

Nick,
the Meteor looks very special, impressive paintwork. The Lightning will be metal and blue.

Stik,
you have got past the speed bumps and the cockpit has come up really well. The seat belts look good too.

Greg,
the Tiffy looks fantastic. Great finish and super weathering. Nothing to swear about from where I am...

Justin,
that’s a real effective diorama very dynamic – the Lanc looks great

Jack,
that is some special detailing on the Camel, another great build to watch and learn

TJ,
looking forward to seeing it done, bring it home

Castelnuovo,
Super finish of an ungainly looking subject, you did well on the rigging. Haven’t seen those colours before. By the by, what's your TT bike?

Gamera,
Looking good, if a little fuzzy…

Bob,
the Tomahawk is coming together well

The Lightning, well once I got rid of the ejector pin stubs it has gone together well. When I was talking about the gaps at the wing/fuselage, they were not big and PPP covered it well. I like PPP to stick in this sort of gap, not so keen on some of the flatter fill ins as it washes away with wet sanding as I try to smooth it out.
But got past that onto starting painting. So I laid down the first black undercoat, and managed to give it a skin that an orange would be proud of...
So sanded it back to 8000 grit to try again,
 and repainted it worked better but still had to sand it back again. Taking the photos showed my work was not done so back to the sandpaper...

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 23, 2018 6:42 PM

Lol, Bish I see your point!

And actually I need something easy to do - the Tamiya F4U kit is a snap to build and she's all blue so no masking!

I might do the 'Grey Nurse' later on.

And thanks for hosting this GB and the Commonwealth one.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, March 23, 2018 5:50 PM

G, nowt wrong with the sharks teeth, just for German aircraft, which of course i tend to do most of, they just seem out of place. And don't not do the Spit on my account.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, March 23, 2018 5:48 PM

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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