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  • From: 37deg 40.13' N 95deg 29.10'W
Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:57 AM

Hey Steve, all I can say is WOW!

Eagle, very well done mate, nice clean strait build of the KGV.

I'm back in a holding pattern.  My niece will be staying for a visit and I was asked to help remodel the spare room for her.  In the process, it was decided to redo all the trim throughout the house with the new millwork pattern I did in this bedroom.  

But I do plan to duck away and get some work done on the Warsprite.  I want to get it done by 11/11.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:37 PM

Sounds good Scott. We'll be looking forward to it when you're ready.

I hope your niece enjoys herself.

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 2:22 PM

Just a couple of pics with the decals on. I applied a couple of coats of Alclad gloss on top of those which i hope will protect the decals when i maks up.

Hopefully i'll have the Phantom wrapped up at the end of the week and i can finish this off.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:44 PM

That's looking great Bish. Are you going to weather it or spray it dull and show show it in all it's glory?

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, October 25, 2018 2:03 AM

Thanks Steve. I am just going to spray it flat and leave it at that. At this scale, i am not sure i am up for weathering.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, October 27, 2018 6:27 PM

Guys, anyone got any suggestions for painting the propeller. The instructions call for brass, and i have read enougbh of Don's posts to know this is not right. I am guessing it should be bronze, but any suggections on how to get a more real look.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:19 PM

Don is correct, they are bronze. I use Testers bronze for propellers. As far as realistic.....it works ok.

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Posted by PFJN on Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:48 PM

Hi,

Alot will depend on what kind of model build you are going for.  As noted by Don and others, bronze is probably a very good color for an in service prop.  But, for a display model, or a model of a vessel just out of the yard or just done with a repair/refit a shinier color may not be wrong either.  If you do a google search on submarine propellers you can see a mix of appearances from shiny/new/just repolished to darker/dull/usedSmile

ShinyDullDullest

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:18 AM

Yes, what has been stated above.   I've tried searching for propeller examples that are still attached to the hulls, but I suppose that's no gurantee that it has not been sitting in open air for extended period of time (deteriotation of a different kind as opposed to mainly saltwater?).

Can't link photo, but there is shot here of an American sub put in drydock and still dripping water:

https://www.alamy.com/portland-ore-may-2-2017-sailors-assigned-to-the-submarine-tender-uss-frank-cable-as-40-see-their-ships-propeller-for-the-first-time-as-she-drains-in-dry-dock-in-portland-ore-may-2nd-frank-cable-is-in-portland-ore-for-a-scheduled-dry-dock-phase-maintenance-availability-us-navy-photo-by-mass-communication-specialist-3rd-class-alana-langdonreleased-image186287432.html

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:45 AM

Cheers guys. The only bronze i have is humbrol enamel so i'll have a play around with that.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:11 PM

I haven't been able to work on the POW as much as I wanted these last 2 weeks due mainly to my new job. I worked second shift last week and first shift this week for training. Next week I should be able to settle into the second shift and get a modeling schedule again.

I've been working on the anchor chains, large hose reels and painting/adding the PE to the turrets. After painting the turets and taking the photos I realized that I had the quad A turet swaped with Y turret which on the face of it dosn't seem like much, but they are painted diffrently so I need to repaint them. I also need to make and add the PE Pom Poms then I can move on to the superstructure. I want to work on the paint on the morring poles, I don't care for how they truned out.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:16 PM

That's better.

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:40 PM

So much nice detail!

Chad

God, Family, Models...

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:44 PM

Thanks Chad, the Pom Poms are insanely intricate. I have just having a blast on this build.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, November 01, 2018 9:49 PM

I like a 50/50 mix of Testor's Brass and Silver. It gives a nice kind of gray metallic look.

She looks really good, Steve. I would suggest a little more reserve with the rust, but in wartime service (short) it seems appropriate.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, November 01, 2018 10:17 PM

Thanks GM, yeah, looking at it it's probably too much. Being oils I can back it off pretty easily. I got a little carried away Wink

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, November 02, 2018 3:07 AM

Steve, that is some amazing work there, love the paint job on those turrets.

I got the Sub finished Wed night, will get some pics up at the weekend.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, November 04, 2018 9:22 AM

As promised, time to wrap this up. But first a bit of background as to why i choose this subject. But my subjects for this build were choosen because they bring back happy memories. But while HMS belfast is a museum and open to the public, the HMS Traflagar wasn't. But back in 1998 my battalion returned from a 6 month Winter tour in Bosnia and the battalion arranged lots of different acivities people could choose to go on. These included the usual army adventure training but also a few more unusual. One of those was to spen 5 days on board Trafalgar, and me and another guy picked that one.

We spent 5 days on the boat, it was only operating around the Solent mainly doing some training with the SBS, but it was one of the most memorable weeks i have ever had. The 2 of us slept down in the torpedo room, him on one side up against the Harpoon missiles and me on the other against the torpedo's. I got to drive the boat under water, listen in to recording on sounds picked up under water, including whales and other Submarines. At one point we came back into habour and in the middle of the water had a BBQ on the rear deck. I have to say i am very glad i picked the army, i am not sure i could spend 6 months under water on one of these. Doing 6 hours on 6 off, corridors only just shoulder width, ship showers and living in that metal tube, my respect certainly goes out to those guys.

Now,m the build. To finish off i masked off the gloss and did a flat coat. I wasn't completly happy as the contrast between the 2 was to much. So, i used some Flory washes, Grimes, Black and Light to tone it down and it gave it a more grubby look and was really pleased with the result. For the prop, i painted it bronze and then went over that with a very thin brown wash. So here she is.

And finally, before leaving the boat, we were given a gift. They probably had a few of these to give out to visitors, but this has become one of my most prized possesions. A White Ensign. This isn't one of those cheap poleyester ones but the real deal. So thought i would re-unite the flag with the boat.

And tehre you go. Cheers Steve for running this GB, great idea. I will be following along with the rest of the builds and will be back next year with the Belfast. Please feel free to use which ever pic you choose.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:22 AM

Bish, fantastic rendering on this sub here.Yes

I like those gloss sections, really adds another level to the overall finish.

 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:48 AM

Nice job Bish, I also wanted to commend you on the great work you did on your F4.

Steve, good to see your back at work and life is returning to normal.  The POW is coming along very well.

I am spending the day fitting our railings.  The first ship I ever did PE railings on was a 1/350 scale Arizona, and I thought it was a hard job to get the railings to fit around the many contours of the the deck that Dreadnaughts were known for.  Now I'm doing it in 1/700 and its quite a learning curve (pun hee hee) for me.

The rest of the PE is coming along well.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Cheers guys. Those gloss panels deffenatly lok better with the Flory wash over them.

Scott, impresive work on those railing, i would have guess they came shapped like that.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, November 04, 2018 4:37 PM

BRAVO sir!! 

She absolutely looks fantastic! Cracking build mate. The colour differences on her hull looks perfect.
I would love to have and really cherish that Jack as well.

Your short time aboard the Trafalgar sound like an experience few will ever have. I doubt most of the crew, who serve for years, will ever have the same privileges you had.

You get a quote pertaining to the army my friend. It was said by Edward Grey, 1st Viscount Grey of Fallodon regarding his wish to project the British Army where needed. 

"The British Army should be a projectile to be fired by the British Navy"
Your build in on the wall and I am most eagerly looking forward to the Belfast.

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, November 04, 2018 4:54 PM

Scott,

The railing on 1/700 ships are defiantly a challenge but absolutely add to the build. In the end they are worth every hair pulling minute. You are well on your way my old friend. I have found that 1/350 PE isn't any less difficult than 1/700 (ask me how I know, 2 sessions on 1 Pom Pom), the 1/350 just dupilicates smaller items. If you can do the Arizona, you can do the Warspite. It's trying, trying mind you, to apply the dipoles on 1/700 Radar, that's where I draw the line.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, November 05, 2018 4:16 AM

Cheers Steve, its very much appreciated. That week on the boat is deffinetly one i won't forget.

Love the quote, very appropriate.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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Posted by Griffin25 on Monday, November 05, 2018 9:14 AM

 Now that looks superb Bish. Great work bud.

 

 

Griffin

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Posted by Bish on Monday, November 05, 2018 9:15 AM

Cheers Griffin, it means a lot coming from you guys.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, November 05, 2018 12:10 PM

And oh yeah, you may fly your Jack proudly. 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, November 05, 2018 1:50 PM

Thank you Steve, will do.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: ICM 1/35th Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf A

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  • From: 37deg 40.13' N 95deg 29.10'W
Posted by scottrc on Monday, November 05, 2018 3:34 PM

modelcrazy

Scott,

The railing on 1/700 ships are defiantly a challenge but absolutely add to the build. In the end they are worth every hair pulling minute. You are well on your way my old friend. I have found that 1/350 PE isn't any less difficult than 1/700 (ask me how I know, 2 sessions on 1 Pom Pom), the 1/350 just dupilicates smaller items. If you can do the Arizona, you can do the Warspite. It's trying, trying mind you, to apply the dipoles on 1/700 Radar, that's where I draw the line.

 

 

Hee hee,

I did put the dipoles on my MK37s on a 1/700 Enterprise and building the AN SPS40 in 1/700 for a modernized Essex carrier made me take a 2 year haitus and build a 1/4 scale Corsair.

This was me, getting ready to enjoy an adult beverage, after building two CXAMs, one for the Enterprise and one for the Lexington.

I am learning that PE properties are different per manufacturer.  White Ensign is soft and not springy so its easy to form, but also damages easy. Tom's is pretty springy and holds shape better yet causes grief becasue it may hold the shape I didn't want. Gold Medal is pretty stiff and seems to have a better temper than the other brands. The stuff that comes in the kit from Trumpeter and Dragon is very thick and once bent, it better be correct because there is no going back to rebend it. 

 

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, November 05, 2018 4:23 PM

LOL that's a great one Scott, you must have been ready for the funny farm after those. I tried it once, I had a couple of rows done, dropped the Radar screen and broke them all off. That was it, no one looks for the stupid things anyway. Plus you get CA all over everything.

Eduard is pretty stiff as well. The pom poms I'm working on now, if you make the bend the wrong way you can't go back the other way, they'll break right off.

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