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Posted by Bish on Saturday, June 23, 2018 1:16 PM

Careful Steve, you get any more British ships and the RN will start to get jealous.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, June 23, 2018 2:30 PM

LOL, I think I need to get my DNA checked. I must have some British Isles in me.

Steve

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Posted by taxtp on Sunday, June 24, 2018 8:27 PM

Good selection of kits Steve.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, June 24, 2018 9:42 PM

Thank you Tony,

I just ordered the Hunter wood deck and brass barrels and will be ordering the Big Ed set for the POW. I want to portay her just before her tragic loss resulting from the critical hit of the type 91 air launched torpedo hitting her port side aft. This hit eventually led to her loss by destorying her mobility and leaving her varnerable to more torpedo strikes starboard and bombs.

I'm experimenting with making a realistic looking torpedo wake.

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Monday, June 25, 2018 2:25 AM

modelcrazy

LOL, I think I need to get my DNA checked. I must have some British Isles in me.

 

Don't need a DNA test mate. Much simpler than that.

Do you constantly complain about the weather?

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Bish on Monday, June 25, 2018 2:27 PM

My Trafalgar turned up today all the way from japan. Looks a great kit, really looking forward to this. Going to make it the first of my 2 builds.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

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Posted by hogfanfs on Monday, June 25, 2018 3:40 PM

Bish

  

Do you constantly complain about the weather?

 

Oh, bloody hell! I think I'm British! Big Smile 

 

Steve, where did you get the barrels for the POW? And, I must say, some very nice acquisitions!

 

Bish, I'm looking forward to seeing your progress on HMS Trafalgar.

 Bruce

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, June 25, 2018 4:44 PM

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, June 25, 2018 5:02 PM

I might wel get an Astute at a later date, but i would dffinetly like a Vanguard.

Right now the weather seems to have forgotten where it is. Its not rained in weeks and its bloody roasting.

Steve, i love that last link. I have been looking for somthing like that for the Bismarck and they have one, i am deffinetly going to grab that. That will be much better than printing one. Cheers for the link.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Bish on Monday, June 25, 2018 5:08 PM

hogfanfs
 
Bish

  

Do you constantly complain about the weather?

 

 

 

Oh, bloody hell! I think I'm British! Big Smile 

 

Steve, where did you get the barrels for the POW? And, I must say, some very nice acquisitions!

 

Bish, I'm looking forward to seeing your progress on HMS Trafalgar.

 

Don't forget, little pinky in the air when drinking your tea

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by hogfanfs on Monday, June 25, 2018 7:14 PM

Steve,

Thanks for the links as well. I'm going to pull the trigger on the barrels and the crest for the KGV. I may get the Bismarck and Scharnhorst crests too. They look quite nice. 

Thanks again!

 Bruce

 

 On the bench:  1/48 Eduard MiG-21MF

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Posted by hogfanfs on Monday, June 25, 2018 7:17 PM

Bish

 

Don't forget, little pinky in the air when drinking your tea

 

I will do my best to have some class when drinking my tea!

 Bruce

 

 On the bench:  1/48 Eduard MiG-21MF

                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44 PM

hogfanfs

 

 
Bish

 

Don't forget, little pinky in the air when drinking your tea

 

 

 

I will do my best to have some class when drinking my tea!

 

Oops, I forgot, I prefer tea over coffee. Hmmm Huh? 

Steve

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:27 AM

Guys, I received a note that they were shipping the deck. Turns out it's the 1/700 not 1/350, When I made an offer, a list of other products appeare, one being a wood deck for the POW for $15, I Immediately cancled my offer and purchased the $15 set thinking I was being smart, Well turns out it's the 1/700 scale and not the 1/50 scale I'm jonsen for, not so smart after all. So, I just made an offer for $23 for the correct deck and we'll see hoe it goes. I need it either way and the 1/700 won't go to waste PropellerWith Stupid.

All I'll need to add for detail is the Big Ed set and the ships crests as a placque of honor.

I wrote a short history on the scene for the diorama I'm calling "The begenning of the end" which is a play on Churchills famous words after the Battle of Britain "This is not the end, this is not the begining, it is in fact, the end of the begenning" This maybe too much,

The loss of the Prince of Wales

On Dec 8th, 1941 (Dec 7th Hawaii time) Force Z consisting of HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Repulse and accompanied by the destroyers Electra, Express, Vampire and Tenedos, sortied from Singapore to attack a reported Japanese landing force north at Kota Bharu on Dec 10th. Force Z was shadowed by Japanese observation planes during the late afternoon of Dec 9th and since surprise seemed impossible, Force Z turned to return to Singapore around 2000 hours. Unaware, Force Z was also spotted by a Japanese Submarine that day and as a result the Japanese transports had been moved north to safety. Shortly before midnight, Force Z received another report of a Japanese landing at Kuantan, which is on the Malayan coast nearer Singapore, and set course for there. Upon arriving off Kuantan on the morning of Dec 10th, the British fleet did not find a Japanese landing force. After investigating a tug towing several barges nearby, Force Z set course for Singapore once again. Shortly afterward, Force Z was sighted and attacked by a force of Japanese twin engine G3M1 Nell and G4M1 Betty Bombers armed with bombs and torpedoes. 
1113 hours, HMS Repulse was the first to be attacked               with eight 250-Kg bombs, one striking and exploding amidships.
1141 hours, another attack commenced on the port side of the HMS Price of Wales with nine bombers carrying type 91 aerial torpedoes. The aircraft made their initial approach at a speed of 150 to 180kts at an altitude of around 180 feet (55 meters). The torpedoes were set to a depth of 12 to 20 feet (4 to 6 meters). Eight of these planes attacked the Prince of Wales while one peeled off to attack the Repulse. The Prince of Wales began a slow turn to port while at a speed of 25kts to comb the wakes, but before the maneuver could be completed, eight torpedoes were released at a height of 100 to 115 feet (30 to 5 meters) and at a distance of 1970 to 4920 feet (600 to 1500 meters) from the ship.
1144 hours the Prince of Wales avoided seven torpedoes however one impacted port aft, severally damaging and bending the port propeller shaft, breaking the shaft struts while debris from the impact severally damaged the port center propeller blade. The bent port shaft failed and broke at several flanges due to severe vibration. This took several minutes as Lt Wildish, in command of boiler room B, which drove the port shaft, did not have any idea to the extent of the damage due to the loss of communications caused by the torpedo explosion. Because of the forward speed of 25kts, the shaft began to windmill despite the efforts of Lt Wildish to slow the shaft which put immense strain on the flange bolts. Eventually, vibration caused by the damaged shaft, caused failures at several flanges which also critically damaged the stern shaft tube and several bulkheads allowing thousands of gallons of sea water to fill the engine room’s bilges. Emergency pumps were started, and the space was abandoned, and watertight doors were sealed.
The loss of the port side shaft and center propeller severely limited the maneuverability of the ship which left her vulnerable to additional attacks.
1223 hours two torpedoes struck the starboard side. One at the bow and another stern further damaging the shafts and bending the outer shaft so far, the propeller wedged under the center starboard shaft.
1223 1/2 hours the last torpedo struck the starboard side under the compass platform. At this point the Prince of Wales was in serious trouble.
1241 hours she fell under attack again from eight high level bombers approaching from the port side. One 500Kg bomb hit the ship, six miss and one bomber failed to drop its bomb.
1243 hours Lights out.
1245 hours HMS Prince of Wales is listing 3 degrees to port and increasing the angle,
1250 hours HMS Prince of Wales radios Singapore for tug assistance.
1300 hours destroyer Express comes along side to evacuate personal and receive the wounded.
1310 hours all shafts stop and the order to abandon ship was given.
1324 hours HMS Prince of Wales capsizes and sinks.
327 sailors were loston the Prince of Wales, 513 off the Repulse. Nearly 1000 survivors were rescued from both ships.
On Dec 11th Lt Haruki Iki flew to the site of the battle, dropping two wreaths of flowers into the sea to honor combatants from both sides who had died in the battle. One was for the fellow members of his Kanoya Air Group, while the other was for the British sailors whose display of bravery in defense of the ships had gained them the utmost admiration from all pilots in his squadron.
The Prince of Wales rests upside down at the bottom of the South China Sea at a depth of 232 feet (68 meters) about 75 miles (120 kilometers) off the coast of Kuantan
I was also thinking of finishing the Nell and accompaning Betty to place in front ot the eascape, Non of this is going to happen without the big ed set.

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:10 AM

I did look at that link for the deck and think it was a bit strange as i was sure your build was 350. Glad you have sorted it out.

Great right up on the events of thatday. I think after the Bismarck sinking earlier in the year, pearl habour the day before, that day marked the end of the battleship in favour of the aircraft.

That was a very touching gesture by the Japanese.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by hogfanfs on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:50 AM

Steve,

Thanks for posting the events in the sinking of the Pince of Wales. And I agree with Bish, very touching gesture by the Japanese.

 

 Bruce

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:26 PM

Thanks guys. I found a very detailed 80-page report analysis on the sinking initially written in 2009 after a dive on the wreck and updated in 2012. It is a very interesting read if one was curious. I had never known about the sequence of events and was excited to find it.

Apparently, the POW should have never been there because she was not mechanically designed to handle the tropics. The air handlers and machinery could not handle the higher humidity. I also found it very interesting that the crippling hit was almost identical to the Bismarck’s which the POW faced along with the Hood. The same type of weapon, the same delivery system, the same area and similar damage. I too found the Japanese gestor very touching. They must have felt invincible after their successes at Pearl and the loss of the East China Sea’s British fleet. I was also surprised to find that they sank in such shallow waters.

I hope I can do her justice.

BTW this is how my builds usually turn out LOL.

Steve

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Posted by hogfanfs on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:06 PM

modelcrazy

 

BTW this is how my builds usually turn out LOL.

 

Steve,

You are way, way, to hard on yourself. Your builds have always been spectacular!

 Bruce

 

 On the bench:  1/48 Eduard MiG-21MF

                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:11 PM

Thank you Bruce. I just can't help but laugh every time I see that picture. It just cracks me up. 

Steve

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 8:21 PM

Steve, thanks for thesummary of the loss of the POW. Brings it home in human terms.

Regards

Tony

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:53 PM

Experimenting with torpedo wakes, I came up with 2 variations. Which one do you like?

 The larger one has a scratch build torpedo (just a piece of stretched sprue) but as I figured you can't see it.

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:22 AM

I like the larger one Steve. I am not sure how deep a torpedo runs, but ican't imagine it more than 10 feet or so and you would be able to see it from above. And having somthing there helps to tell what your looking at.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by hogfanfs on Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:49 AM

Steve,

I agree with Bish, the larger one with the scratch built torpedo.

 Bruce

 

 On the bench:  1/48 Eduard MiG-21MF

                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:21 AM

Yes, I think too the larger one.

Some of the characteristics I noticed is the further away the wake is from the torpedo, the water begins to settle down, along with how rough the water is, that too will show breaks in the froth. The following is a screen shot from a comp game, but am assuming they did their research to 3D render the look:

Another thing I wondered, is this game good for following the rigging of ships, as they do seem to be pretty detailed?

regards,

Jack

 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:16 AM

Thanks guys, I agree, but wasn't sure if it was too big.

Jack, the WoWs renditions of the ships are very good and I often use them as one of the references for the rigging.

An actual picture of a wake was the inspiration for my mock up. It amazes me that such a relatively small weapon can cause so much damage. in 1/350 scale, the type 91 torpedo is 15 cm long or .6 inches.

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:37 PM

Great pic there Steve. I take it you mean 15mm not 15cm.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:43 PM

Yes mm not cm, thanks. 

Steve

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Posted by lewbud on Friday, June 29, 2018 3:48 AM

Bish, 

Complaining about the weather could also make you a Texan. It's summer in Texas, what else are you going to do but complain about the weather? It's freaking hot!

Steve,

I'd like to sign up, however my entry is going to take a different tack. I'd like to sign up with Sir Thomas Lipton's Shamrock V. She was built in 1930 for the America's Cup. She was the first British yacht built to the J-Class rule and the only surviving wooden hulled J-Boat. She was as unsuccessful as her predecessors, losing to Harold Vanderbilt in Enterprise 4-0. For those who don't know what a J-Boat is, here are period pics. They were perhaps, the most beautiful racing yachts ever built. She still sails today and is the only J-boat to have never fallen into dereliction.

I'm not sure of what kit I will use. Scales from from 1/170 to 1/35 (which would be awesome, but I don't know where I would get that kind of money or put it once I was done.)

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by lewbud on Friday, June 29, 2018 4:07 AM

Most likely the kit will be Amati's 1/80. The 1/35 J-Boat is Endeavour, which would also qualify for this build as she competed for the America's Cup in 1934 under the command of T.O.M Sopwith. She would lose against Rainbow 4-2. However, she would provide the biggest scare to losing the Cup until 1983, when Australia II beat Liberty.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by hogfanfs on Friday, June 29, 2018 7:04 AM

Lewbud,

Now that will be a really cool build to follow.

 Bruce

 

 On the bench:  1/48 Eduard MiG-21MF

                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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