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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, September 10, 2018 3:19 AM

Tiger, do you mean the T-72. The T-74 is a Japanese tank. The Iraqi's did use the T-72.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, September 10, 2018 4:08 AM

I was curious so i did some checking and i found the kit you are reffering to. That got me more curious as the T-74 never featured in our AFV Recognition lessons in the mid 90's.

It seems as though the T-74 was a Soviet designation for a tank whch was not built. It appears that weastern intel picked up on it and applied it to some of the new variants of the T-72. This was dropped in the early 80's, but it seems Esci had not noticed this when they released the T-74 in 1989.

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, September 10, 2018 6:54 AM

There are a ton of other photo sharing services that are far superior. Imageshack, flicker, imagepost, etc, etc. Some cost, others don't but you (and in some cases, everybody esle) have to endure adds.

Others will flood you with ideas.

Steve

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Posted by Bish on Monday, September 10, 2018 7:33 AM

I think anything would be better than photo bucket, including sending your pics direct to FSM by pigeon. I switched to Flickr before PB went mad and am very glad i did.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Monday, September 10, 2018 9:40 AM

I was never to get Flicker to work for me. First I never understood the lay out and then I could never get them to post pictures on here or anywhere else. I went to Postimage and so far I'm ok with it.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 10, 2018 11:28 AM

John: Looks great, love those tracks! 

TigerII: I've been using Image Shack and no hitches nor complaints. 

 

And interesting guys about the CIPs, I figured they were some sort of thing that in wargaming exercises would be painted 'green team' or 'red team' with a number or something like that. 

 

BTW: Rob- my kit comes with an option for either an UAAPU or a Hawker battery on the rear. Do you have any idea which one I should be adding??? 

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Posted by TigerII on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:48 PM

Bish

I was curious so i did some checking and i found the kit you are reffering to. That got me more curious as the T-74 never featured in our AFV Recognition lessons in the mid 90's.

It seems as though the T-74 was a Soviet designation for a tank whch was not built. It appears that weastern intel picked up on it and applied it to some of the new variants of the T-72. This was dropped in the early 80's, but it seems Esci had not noticed this when they released the T-74 in 1989.

 

 

Thanks Bish, I also checked but did not get much on a T74 and like you mentioned the T-74 is put out there as a Japanese tank. Well good, now I can make this late version T72 in Iraqi markings.

BTW, Bish, Gamera ModelCrazy & Kentucky Colonel thanks for the info on other Photo sharing sites. Now I can build and post in peace. Smile

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:29 AM

TigerII

I would like to join this group build with an AMT/Ertl T74 Soviet MBT in 1/35 scale. I'd like to put it in Iraqi service but I'm finding it hard to find any info if it was used in Iraqi service. Anyway if not then I'll put it in Russian service. BTW does anyone know a BETTER photo share than 'photobucket'? greatly appreciated.

 

 

During Esci's swan song of the late 1980s-early 90s, they did a number of modern armor kits. Their excellent M60A1 and M60A3 that was also released as an IDF M60A1 w/ERA. A good BMP-1, but just changed the turret to make an inaccurate BMP-2. A passable T-55 series. An ehh M1 Abrams and an inaccurate M1A1 that just added some cosmetic bits to their M1. A poor, ugly HMMWV with various body styles, fairly inaccurate LAVs and then the worst of the bunch was the T-72/74.

To be fair, the T-72 was still shrouded in secrecy in use with Warsaw Pact countries. The T-74 was the same kit with some cosmetic differences in detail parts and is not a "true" different tank. When built, it'll look like a Soviet tank, but the kit was based off of grainy intel photos that were made public.

I'd just google information on the Iraqi "Lion of Babylon", a locally produced T-72 copy and make the kit look like the Iraqi war veteran. It's not an accurate kit, but it is not a "bad" or "unbuildable" model kit. Any modeler should be able to build it to resemble a late cold war Soviet tank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_Babylon_(tank)

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:45 AM

Gamera

BTW: Rob- my kit comes with an option for either an UAAPU or a Hawker battery on the rear. Do you have any idea which one I should be adding??? 

 

The UAAPU wasn't successful and therefore wasn't used operationally. The tanks were modified to use the Hawker batteries for auxillary power. The Under Armor Auxillary Power Unit was designed to provide power while the tank engine was off. It ran on fuel from the fuel cells. The Hawker batteries get recharged as the tank is running and provide power while the engine is off.

So a production prototype you could use the UAAPU. Or an operationally deployed tank, the Hawker batts.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:48 AM

modelcrazy

There are a ton of other photo sharing services that are far superior. Imageshack, flicker, imagepost, etc, etc. Some cost, others don't but you (and in some cases, everybody esle) have to endure adds.

Others will flood you with ideas.

 

I use Fotki. $ 24 a year, no ads, easy to use. I frankly would be embarrassed to have others see my posts with the junk postimage attaches to them.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 12:36 PM
I use flickr, it's free and you just have to know what part of the url to paste into the post.
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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:19 PM

Rob Gronovius

 

 
Gamera

BTW: Rob- my kit comes with an option for either an UAAPU or a Hawker battery on the rear. Do you have any idea which one I should be adding??? 

 

 

 

The UAAPU wasn't successful and therefore wasn't used operationally. The tanks were modified to use the Hawker batteries for auxillary power. The Under Armor Auxillary Power Unit was designed to provide power while the tank engine was off. It ran on fuel from the fuel cells. The Hawker batteries get recharged as the tank is running and provide power while the engine is off.

 

So a production prototype you could use the UAAPU. Or an operationally deployed tank, the Hawker batts.

 

 

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Posted by taxtp on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:46 PM

Rob Gronovius
I use flickr, it's free and you just have to know what part of the url to paste into the post.
 

I agree with Rob. I've organised all my photos of different models on there into albums, and then organised those albumes into collections. It's a nice arrangement and keeps them easy to find.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:07 AM

taxtp

 

 
Rob Gronovius
I use flickr, it's free and you just have to know what part of the url to paste into the post.
 

 

 

I agree with Rob. I've organised all my photos of different models on there into albums, and then organised those albumes into collections. It's a nice arrangement and keeps them easy to find.

Cheers

Tony

 

Ditto

Took me a few days to figure it out, especially how to post pics, but once i did, so much better than what i had before.

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Posted by mrmike on Friday, September 14, 2018 9:30 PM

Here's an update on the M113. It's a hybrid kit, with both Academy and AFV plastic in the box. The only glitch so far has been that the wheels were very loose on the axles, and required sleeving them with short styrene tubes to tighten things up. Other than that, it's been a fast and fun build.

Next step is to match some paint to photos I found on Prime Portal, in what appears to be a well worn NATO camo.

Mike

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, September 15, 2018 2:16 AM

Looks good so far Mike.

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Posted by B-1 CrewCheif on Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:54 AM

Please put me in for Takom Chieftain Mk.11

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:21 PM

B-1 CrewCheif

Please put me in for Takom Chieftain Mk.11

 

Nice, i picked that one up a couple of months back so will be watching.

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:17 PM

She's looking really good Mike, coming right along!!!

I did get a little more work done on the hull including the Hawker battery- thanks again Rob! There was a big chunk missing out of the rear plate where one part broke off the sprue inside the bag and damaged the part. I added a big load of putty, hopefully it won't show when painted.

And I got the turret together, really bad gaps on the underside- I used a pile of putty. Then I got some of the parts attached, lots of clear parts here, not sure I need to tint them some colour not not yet.

 

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Posted by ogrejohn on Monday, September 17, 2018 5:25 PM

Fine looking work going on here! 

Mike that M113 is looking fine indeed.

Nice work on the Abrams Cliff.

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Posted by ogrejohn on Monday, September 17, 2018 5:29 PM

Managed to get some bench time over the weekend. Hull work is done and it's time to start the turret. I must say this kit is falling together pretty well. Hope I don't mess it up in the paint stage.

 

 

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Posted by mrmike on Monday, September 17, 2018 11:04 PM

Hey all, thanks for your comments!

Cliff, I'm surprised by the issues you're fixing. I thought Dragon kits were generally pretty precise.

Ogrejohn, lookin' good! Is that shiny brass included in the kit or AM?

B-1, looking forward to your build.

Mike

 

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Posted by Sailing_Dutchman on Monday, September 17, 2018 11:53 PM

I would like to join this GB with either a Trumpeter Strv 103C, a Panda M1 Abrams, or a Dragon M60A2 Starship. All are 1/35 and I will decide which one to build when I start, after I finish a few other GBs I am in.

   

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 18, 2018 7:49 AM

John: Looks good! Those ERA bricks look like a pain though, hope you didn't have to put on every one as a separate part. 

Mike: Actually I've had almost no fit issues. The part that broke off the sprue taking a chunk with it is the only problem I've had so far. Why and how it did this I don't know. There weren't any other parts broken off and it like everything else was securely bagged. And the box was packed so tight there wasn't much room for it or anything to wiggle and jiggle around. 

Dutchman: Those all sound cool! 

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Posted by ogrejohn on Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:14 PM

Thans Mike! Yes the bling is 100% box stock not after market.

Thanks Cliff! The ERA bricks are grouped for the most part. Only a few singles. 

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:12 AM

ogrejohn

Managed to get some bench time over the weekend. Hull work is done and it's time to start the turret. I must say this kit is falling together pretty well. Hope I don't mess it up in the paint stage.

 

 

 

Some very nice work there John.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:13 AM

Looks good G, just slap some mud on that rear plate, you will be fine Wink

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:17 AM

Bish

Looks good G, just slap some mud on that rear plate, you will be fine Wink

 

Lol, it's a little high but yeah I figure some could splatter up there. If it still looks 'off' after painting I'll give that a go. Yes

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:32 PM

Gamera

 

 
Bish

Looks good G, just slap some mud on that rear plate, you will be fine Wink

 

 

 

Lol, it's a little high but yeah I figure some could splatter up there. If it still looks 'off' after painting I'll give that a go. Yes

 

O believe me, thats not high at all. You would be amased at how far that stuff gets flung up by the tracks. I have cleaned the mud off the turret of a Warrior, and thats 9 foot up.

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Posted by TigerII on Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:32 PM

ogrejohn

Managed to get some bench time over the weekend. Hull work is done and it's time to start the turret. I must say this kit is falling together pretty well. Hope I don't mess it up in the paint stage.

 

 

 

You gotta have faith in your skills, and from what I see, you don't have a thing to worry about.

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