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The Race Into Space GB, October 2018 - July 2019 (Ended)

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GAF
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Posted by GAF on Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:56 PM

Not much to report tonight.  I've got the "United States" decals on the Titan and am working on the Atlas.  A minor mishap set me back a bit, but the damage has been fixed and work proceeds.  I got word the lettering has shipped, so I hope it will be here at least by Saturday.

Also, I read today that the National Geopraphic Channel is going to be producing a new series based on Tom Wolfe's book "The Right Stuff".  Not sure how good it's going to be, and it has a lot to live up to when compared to the movie.

Hope everyone is resting and surviving the heat!

Gary

Today In Space History:

Happy Birthday, John Glenn!

1921 July 18 - .

  • Birth of John Herschel Jr Glenn - . Nation: USA. Related Persons: Glenn.

    American test pilot astronaut 1959-1963 and 1997-1998, later a politician and US Senator. First American in orbit on his first flight, Mercury MA-6, in 1962, and oldest person in space on his second flight, STS-95, in 1998. 2 spaceflights, 9.1 days in space. Flew to orbit on Mercury 6 (1962), STS-95.


1965 July 18 - . 14:38 GMT - . Launch Site: Baikonur. Launch Complex: Baikonur LC1. LV Family: R-7. Launch Vehicle: Molniya 8K78.

  • Zond 3 - . Payload: 3MV-4A s/n 3. Mass: 959 kg (2,114 lb). Nation: Russia. Agency: MOM. Program: Mars. Class: Mars. Type: Mars probe. Spacecraft Bus: 3MV. Spacecraft: Mars 3MV-4A. USAF Sat Cat: 1454 . COSPAR: 1965-056A.

    Zond 3 was towards the moon and interplanetary space. The spacecraft was equipped with a TV system that provided automatic inflight film processing. On July 20, during lunar flyby, 25 pictures of very good quality were taken of the lunar farside from distances of 11,570 to 9960 km. The photos covered 19,000,000 km square of the lunar surface. Photo transmissions by facsimile were returned to earth from a distance of 2,200,000 km on July 29 and were retransmitted later from a distance of 31,500,000 km, thus proving the ability of the communications system. After the lunar flyby, Zond 3 continued space exploration in a heliocentric orbit. Those pictures showed clearly the heavily cratered nature of the surface. This mission dramatized the advances in space photography that the U.S.S.R. had made since its first far-side effort six years earlier.


1966 July 18 - . 22:20 GMT - . Launch Site: Cape Canaveral. Launch Complex: Cape Canaveral LC19. LV Family: Titan. Launch Vehicle: Titan II GLV.

  • Gemini 10 - . Call Sign: Gemini 10. Crew: Collins, Young. Backup Crew: Bean, Williams, Clifton. Payload: Gemini SC10. Mass: 3,763 kg (8,295 lb). Nation: USA. Related Persons: Bean, Collins, Williams, Clifton, Young. Agency: NASA Houston. Class: Manned. Type: Manned spacecraft. Flight: Gemini 10. Spacecraft: Gemini. Duration: 2.95 days. Decay Date: 1966-07-21 . USAF Sat Cat: 2349 . COSPAR: 1966-066A. Apogee: 259 km (160 mi). Perigee: 160 km (90 mi). Inclination: 28.90 deg. Period: 88.70 min.

    An Air Force Titan Gemini Launch Vehicle placed the Gemini 10 (GT-10) spacecraft into orbit for the three-day mission of Astronauts John Young and Michael Collins. Rendezvous and docking were accomplished with the Gemini Agena Target Vehicle (GATV) that had been launched from Cape Kennedy aboard an Atlas Booster just ahead of GT-10. Using the GATV-10 Primary Propulsion System (PPS), the docked vehicles achieved a manned-flight altitude record of 476 miles. Reentry was accomplished on 21 July and recovery was made 544 miles east of Cape Canaveral. Exciting mission with successful docking with Agena, flight up to parking orbit where Gemini 8 Agena is stored. Collins space walks from Gemini to Agena to retrieve micrometeorite package left in space all those months. Loses grip first time, and tumbles head over heels at end of umbilical around Gemini. Package retrieved on second try.

    The Gemini X mission began with the launch of the Gemini Atlas-Agena target vehicle from complex 14. The Gemini Agena target vehicle (GATV) attained a near-circular, 162- by 157-nautical-mile orbit. Spacecraft No. 10 was inserted into a 145- by 86-nautical-mile elliptical orbit. Slant range between the two vehicles was very close to the nominal 1000 miles. Major objective of the mission was achieved during the fourth revolution when the spacecraft rendezvoused with the GATV at 5 hours 23 minutes ground elapsed time and docked with it about 30 minutes later. More spacecraft propellant was used to achieve rendezvous than had been predicted, imposing constraints on the remainder of the mission and requiring the development of an alternate flight plan. As a result, several experiments were not completed, and another secondary objective - docking practice - was not attempted. To conserve fuel and permit remaining objectives to be met, the spacecraft remained docked with the GATV for about 39 hours. During this period, a bending mode test was conducted to determine the dynamics of the docked vehicles, standup extravehicular activties (EVA) were conducted, and several experiments were performed. The GATV primary and secondary propulsion systems were used for six maneuvers to put the docked spacecraft into position for rendezvous with the Gemini VIII GATV as a passive target. The spacecraft undocked at 44 hours 40 minutes ground elapsed time, separated from the GATV, and used its own thrusters to complete the second rendezvous some three hours later. At 48 hours and 42 minutes into the flight, a 39-minute period of umbilical EVA began, which included the retrieval of a micrometorite collection package from the Gemini VIII Agena. The hatch was opened a third time about an hour later to jettison extraneous equipment before reentry. After about three hours of stationkeeping, the spacecraft separated from the GATV. At 51 hours 39 minutes ground elapsed time, the crew performed a true anomaly-adjust maneuver to minimize reentry dispersions resulting from the retrofire maneuver.


1968 July 18 - .

  • Cosmonaut revolt. - . Nation: Russia. Related Persons: Belyayev, Leonov, Nikolayev, Vershinin.

    The cosmonauts are revolting against the selection of Nikolayev as their commander. They have written a letter demanding that Belyayev be put in the position. Leonov is also lobbying for the job, but Kamanin notes he has made two serious mistakes since April, no chance. Leonov attends a self-criticism meeting with the 'Gagarin comrades', self-confesses and emotionally says he will leave the cosmonaut unit if there are no future chances for promotion due to his repeated mistakes. Finally he is told that if does good work in the future, he could achieve the deputy commander position, but he can never, never make mistakes again.

    A Zenit-2 spy satellite capsule has gone off course, splashed down in the Volga River, and sunk. Vershinin is in the hospital with intestinal polyps. Kamanin is reminded of Korolev's case, although he is told Vershinin's condition is not serious. There is criticism of the botched Zenit-2 recovery from Kutakhov. Meanwhile the Central Committee has decided to take no action on Czechoslovakia but send a letter to the Czech Communist Party. Kamanin is sick of this limp-wristed talk, talk, talk.


1975 July 18 - .

  • ASTP-Crew transfers between the docked vehicles. - . Nation: USA. Program: ASTP. Flight: Apollo (ASTP), Soyuz 19 (ASTP).

    The crew members take turns visiting each other's capsules, a complicated procedure due to the need to keep both spacecraft manned at all times and for the transfer crews to transition in the docking module between the different Soyuz and Apollo cabin atmospheres.


2016 July 18 - . 04:45 GMT - . Launch Site: Cape Canaveral. Launch Complex: Cape Canaveral LC40. Launch Pad: Cape Canaveral SLC40. LV Family: Falcon. Launch Vehicle: Falcon 9 v1.2.

  • Dragon CRS-9 - . Nation: USA. Class: Manned. Type: Manned logistics spacecraft. Spacecraft: Dragon. Decay Date: 2016-08-26 . USAF Sat Cat: 41672 . COSPAR: 2016-046A. Apogee: 355 km (220 mi). Perigee: 204 km (126 mi). Inclination: 51.60 deg.

    SpaceX's Dragon CRS-9 cargo ship carried the IDA-2 docking adapter and spacesuit EMU 3006. The Falcon 9 first stage returned to Cape Canaveral for a landing at Landing Complex 1. The second stage was deorbited south of Australia. CRS-9 arrived at the ISS on Jul 20; it was grappled by the SSRMS at 1056 UTC and berthed at Harmony nadir at 1403 UTC. The IDA-2 docking adapter will be installed on the end of the old PMA-2 Shuttle docking port to conver On Aug 25 at about 2100 UTC the SSRMS (Canadarm-2) unberthed Dragon CRS-9 from the Harmony module. At 1011 UTC the Dragon was released into orbit; at 1456 UTC Dragon fired its Draco thrusters in a deorbit burn which sent it plunging into the atmosphere at about 1520 UTC. The empty trunk was jettisoned at 1513 UTC. Dragon splashed down off the coast of Baja at 1547 UTC. Spacesuit EMU 3005 was returned to Earth aboard CRS-9.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, July 18, 2019 8:12 AM

Gary: That's awesome! Thanks!!! I do get some of those channels! 

Bakster: Don't worry about it, the offer stands open. 

 

And as far as I'm concerned Pluto is still a planet, always has been a planet, and always shall be a planet... 

We don't call Jupiter a dwarf star do we??? 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Thursday, July 18, 2019 7:54 AM

For those interested, here's a list of the upcoming specials on the moon landing I found online.  Depends on what channels you get.  This isn't comprehensive, as it doesn't list "The Weather Channel" upcoming special.

July 18
When We Were Apollo (8:30 p.m., PBS)
Apollo's Moon Shot: Brink of Disaster (9 p.m., Smithsonian)

July 19
NASA's Giant Leaps: Past and Future – Celebrating Apollo 50th as We Go Forward to the Moon (1 p.m., Science)
Wonders of the Moon (10 p.m., BBC America)

July 20
Apollo's Hidden Figures (7:48 p.m., CNN)
Apollo: The Forgotten Films (8 p.m., Discovery)
Moon Landing Live (9 p.m., BBC America)
Confessions From Space: Apollo (10 p.m., Discovery)

July 21
Apollo: The Forgotten Files (5 p.m., Science Channel)

Plus a further list of things upcoming.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46596580/correction-tv-moon-landing-specials-story

I note that the recent documentary "Apollo 11" (the one that was shown in theaters) will be shown on CNN on the 20th.  Check the link above for time.

Of course, NASA TV is showing specials all this week on the Apollo program and the moon landing if you're lucky enough to get that channel.

Enjoy!

Gary

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:43 PM

Gamera
And my GBs are here for the time being. Would love to have you guys if you ever want to join. Aiming to do Japanese GB IX next year too! 

I wish I could, Gam. I don't have the bandwidth right now. I will keep you in mind though when things open up.Crying

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:40 PM

modelcrazy

Did anybody watch "The truth about the moon landing" on Science I believe? They did a great job of smashing the "we never went to the moon" conspiracy.

Several episodes, but worth the watch.

 

Sorry MC, I don't have that channel so I missed it. Bummer.

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:39 PM

GAF
Bakster> I'm not sure about the moon map.  It has Rand MacNally and Capitol Records, so I'm thinking it came from a record or something.  Anyway, it's 1969 vintage.

Exactly. It came with something, just don't recall what. 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:38 PM

mach71

Great space stuff!

I love that Pluto is still a planet! It will always be a planet to me.

It's interesting that Pluto was thought to be much larger than it actually is back then.  I think I need a t-shirt of that.  "Pluto:  Still a Planet... Or Mickey's Dog Anyway."

Gary

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:28 PM

Bakster> I'm not sure about the moon map.  It has Rand MacNally and Capitol Records, so I'm thinking it came from a record or something.  Anyway, it's 1969 vintage.

Modelcrazy> I don't have a high opinion of that show, so I didn't watch it.  I do watch "Mysteries of Apollo" on the same channel which doesn't delve into the "it didn't happen" conspiracies.

Oh, and here's another piece that I almost forgot about.  "The Eagle Has Landed" which is a collection by United Press of sounds from the space age.  I can't find a recording of this on Youtube.  Sorry!

More updates later tonight.

Gary

 

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Posted by mach71 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:26 PM

Great space stuff!

 

I love that Pluto is still a planet! It will always be a planet to me.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 4:52 PM

Did anybody watch "The truth about the moon landing" on Science I believe? They did a great job of smashing the "we never went to the moon" conspiracy.

Several episodes, but worth the watch.

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 4:42 PM

Hey Gary, I think I had that moon map too! I don't remember where I got it but I used it whilst looking through a telescope and trying to locate features on the moon. I remember looking for the landing spot.

I watched the PBS shows last niight, loved it.

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 4:15 PM

Instead of bubblegum cards, here's some other things from my collection of space related stuff.

I not only wrote to NASA, but to other agencies as well.

One of the few books I kept from the NASA packages.

And a very strange moon map.  Not much detail, but a great item for the kids!

And the back.  The Solar System as viewed in the 1960s.

Gary

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 3:57 PM

Gamera>  That's good news.  Hopefully you can wind it up soon.  I'm the one who might need the extra days as I've ordered some white lettering for the Redstone and I don't think it will arrive before the 20th.  I'll finish up the Atlas and Titan, but the Redstone will be unfinished until I can get that done.

Too bad about not getting TCM.  Apparently they have a Sci-Fi Tuesday movie night now.  Oddly, I was watching "The Right Stuff" on BBC America last night.  BBC America is going to show "Moon Landing Live" on Saturday, along with a bunch of science fiction movies.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2019/06/bbc-america-launches-into-space-week-on-july-15

I'll update the list of specials for this Thursday later tonight, just to keep people informed.  Even the Weather Channel is planning a 50th Anniversary programming event this Saturday!

Gary

Today In Space History:

1970 July 17 - .

  • HL-10 Flight 37 - . Crew: Hoag. Payload: HL-10 flight 37. Nation: USA. Related Persons: Hoag. Program: NASA Lifting Body. Class: Manned. Type: Manned spaceplane. Spacecraft: HL-10. Maximum Speed - 803 kph. Maximum Altitude - 13716 m. Flight Time - 252 sec..


1975 July 17 - .

  • ASTP - The 'Handshake in Space'. - . Nation: USA. Program: ASTP. Flight: Apollo (ASTP), Soyuz 19 (ASTP). Apollo and Soyuz successfully dock and members of the American and Russian crews shake hands in space for the first time. With the Soviet-American detente crumbling, it will be the last such docking for 20 years.


 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:07 AM

Thanks Gary! I'll see what I can do about getting done on time though. I got the airbrushing done last night over the overdone wash and I'm ready to reapply it. 

Thanks for the info on TCM, unfortuatly I swapped out the cable for Dish Network- and don't get TCM anymore. Which is annoying since it's one of the few channels I did watch!!! 

Your boosters look super!!! 

 

And my GBs are here for the time being. Would love to have you guys if you ever want to join. Aiming to do Japanese GB IX next year too! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 6:43 PM

Gamera
akster: The American ships GB sounds good. The Japanese GB is open to the end of the year and the Egg GB has a couple more months to go (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)...

Oh no.. you are gonna keep me busy until perdition! Lol.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 6:39 PM

Hey Gary, your boosters are looking great! I like how they look. And thanks for the programming info, I will keep my eyes open!

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:02 PM

In honor of Apollo 11's launch today, here's some more bubblegum cards of the astronauts getting ready.

 

More to come!

Gary

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 3:54 PM

Gamera> No problem.  The Apollo mission really didn't end until the 24th anyway, but the 20th is the high point.  I don't think anyone else needs a few days to finish something up (except me, maybe).  Of course, anyone can finish up a build they've started, but I'll officially end the build by that date.  Take care on the Memorial outting, and good luck!  Especially in THAT kind of heat!

You know, I've been wanting to join the Japanese GB.  I've got this 1/48 Hasegawa Type 21 that I've been wanting to do in Pearl Harbor livery.  I'm finishing up a Revell P-40 in Pearl Harbor scheme (using an Airfix P-40 decals).  We'll see how the schedule goes!  Smile

BTW, did you see what I posted about TCM's Sci-Fi films tonight in my last post?

Bakster> Not much in the way of specials Wednesday on Science, NGC or The History Channel.  PBS has a couple of specials beginning at 7:00pm.  "A Year In Space" about living on the ISS and "8 Days: To the Moon and Back" which is a re-creation of the Apollo 11 flight using actors and CGI using the actual audio.  Sounds interesting.

UPDATE:

The AMT boosters are essentially done paint wise.  I still need to make decals.  I ordered some "white dry transfer letters" of various sizes (down to 1/16") last night, but I don't think they will be here by the 20th.  They're only needed for the Redstone, which the Army in its infinite wisdom decided should be white instead of black.  Oh, well.  Here's what they look like in their stands.

After I get the decals done, I need to make some small signs for each booster listing each one.

That's it for now!

Gary

Today In Space History:

"We're going to the moon!"

1969 July 16 - . 13:32 GMT - . Launch Site: Cape Canaveral. Launch Complex: Cape Canaveral LC39A. Launch Platform: LUT1. Launch Vehicle: Saturn V.

  • Apollo 11 - . Call Sign: Columbia. Crew: Aldrin, Armstrong, Collins. Backup Crew: Anders, Haise, Lovell. Payload: Apollo CSM 107 / Apollo LM 5 / EASEP / S-IVB-506. Mass: 28,800 kg (63,400 lb). Nation: USA. Related Persons: Aldrin, Anders, Armstrong, Collins, Haise, Lovell. Agency: NASA Houston. Program: Apollo. Class: Moon. Type: Manned lunar spacecraft. Flight: Apollo 11. Spacecraft: Apollo CSM. Duration: 8.14 days. Decay Date: 1969-07-24 . USAF Sat Cat: 4039 . COSPAR: 1969-059A. Apogee: 186 km (115 mi). Perigee: 183 km (113 mi). Inclination: 32.50 deg. Period: 88.19 min.

    First landing on moon. Apollo 11 (AS-506) - with astronauts Neil A. Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Edwin E. Aldrin, Jr., aboard - was launched from Pad A, Launch Complex 39, KSC, at 9:32 a.m. EDT July 16. The activities during earth-orbit checkout, translunar injection, CSM transposition and docking, spacecraft ejection, and translunar coast were similar to those of Apollo 10.

     

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:25 AM

Thanks guys. 

Gary: I may have to take up on that. There's a few places on the figure that I wasn't totally happy with the wash, left it on too long and it's too heavy. I'm thinking of just airbrushing over them to cover it up and redo them. If I can survive the 20th- we're doing a show at the D-Day Memorial in Bedford, Va and it's supposed to top 95 degrees F. I'll get back to if I survive...

Bakster: The American ships GB sounds good. The Japanese GB is open to the end of the year and the Egg GB has a couple more months to go (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:24 AM

modelcrazy

 

 
Bakster
I am thinking a possible diorama on the Wisconsin build. What’s with me and dioramas!

 

Really Smile Water?

 

Yes sir! (Conversation moved to your Ships of the Amnerican Flag GB.)

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, July 15, 2019 10:39 PM

Gary, you have kept some really awesome stuff.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, July 15, 2019 10:36 PM

Bakster
I am thinking a possible diorama on the Wisconsin build. What’s with me and dioramas!

Really Smile Water?

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, July 15, 2019 10:30 PM

GAF

Steve,

You know, I wonder if a Saturn V would fit under "Ships of the American Flag GB"?  I mean, it's a "ship" and it has an American flag...  Clown

Gary

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, July 15, 2019 10:11 PM

Thanks, Bakster!  The good thing about the History Channel is they repeat things.  I'm not sure about the History Channel, but if you have PBS, the National Geographic Channel or the Science Channel they've been showing all sorts of Apollo related specials.

Let me check my DVR schedule for tomorrow night and I'll give you a list.  Stay tuned!

Gary

Okay, nothing on the History Channel tomorrow night, but here's a rundown of what's on.

PBS:

7:00pm Chasing the Moon: A Place Beyond the Sky (1st part of a 3 part series)

9:00pm Apollo's Daring Mission (Apollo 8 documentary).

TCM: (Has an evening of Sci-Fi and Space related films)

7:00pm Destination Moon

9:00pm For All Mankind (Apollo 11 film).

Plus Countdown, From the Earth to the Moon, and a few more.

I'll give you a rundown of Wednesday's line-up tomorrow.

 

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 15, 2019 10:05 PM

Gary, it is so cool that you have still have these cards. They are cool to see.

Hey, a ways back you mentioned the history channel was having an aniversery special. Did I miss it, or is it still coming up?

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, July 15, 2019 9:48 PM

More "Man On the Moon" bubblegum cards.  This time it's the start of Apollo 11.

More tomorrow!

Gary

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Posted by mach71 on Monday, July 15, 2019 8:15 PM

I'm guessing you have something in your stash!

 

Me I'm restarting work on the MPC 1/24 Eagle. I'm also thinking about joining the Korean war GB that will be starting soon.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 15, 2019 7:04 PM

modelcrazy
 

Well, the American Ships build starts in 19 days. you can clean the bench and get your Wisconsin out.

 

 Steve, you are right about that. I need to do a reset on my bench and my spray booth. Maybe, I will work on that tonight. Btw... my Wisconsin kit came in the mail last week. I had been so focused on finishing the X1 that I didn’t crack open the shipping carton yet. Maybe I will do that too.

I am thinking a possible diorama on the Wisconsin build. What’s with me and dioramas! 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 15, 2019 6:56 PM

GAF
After all, what do you do after reaching for the stars?  (Go to DisneyWorld?) 

Lol, so true! The terrestrial seems mundane now. Surprise

That sounds cool about the modelers show and the museum. That will be a nice change of pace. One of these days I want to do some of that stuff.

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Monday, July 15, 2019 5:37 PM

Steve,

You know, I wonder if a Saturn V would fit under "Ships of the American Flag GB"?  I mean, it's a "ship" and it has an American flag...  Clown

Gary

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