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75th Anniversary of 1944 Group Build (World at War)

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:12 PM

Finished photo is posted and up, Ed.  I quite like the Psalm 23 motiff.

Thanks for being part of the GB.  You accomplished some wonderful work on the Mustang.

  

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Posted by Est.1961 on Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:14 AM

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, January 9, 2020 3:56 PM

I'm getting a "404 error," Est 1961.

  

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Posted by Est.1961 on Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:05 PM

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, January 9, 2020 6:38 PM

Good job!  Now it's visible.  Great looking plane!

  

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:25 PM

 

Bogue Update:

 I threatened last time to black base a ship and so far I'm pretty happy. The idea is get a blotchy and uneven base coat to begin the weathering stages with. I'm looking for a blotchy and weathered wartime vessel which was very appropriate to WWII vessels that spent a lot of time on salt water. Below is a pretty good pic of Bogue - and you should get the idea. (I used Camo Measure 22 which was phased out sometime in 1944 for a splinter scheme. No way was I going to do a splinter on a ship this small - I much prefer Measure 22 (usually found in the Atlantic) anyway.

  Bogue3 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

Here's the recipe. Paint ship with black primer (I used Stynelrez.)

  primed by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 Then you apply a very uneven "mottle coat" - kind of looks like fine squiggles - on the black. This is the lower hull which will end up Navy Blue:

  Mottle4 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

Then you spray a very low psi build up of the base color - as noted Navy Blue 5-N. You want the uneven finish to remain visible - this is really a kind of random preshading.

  base1 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 Here's a pic of the kit with all three colors on the base: the lower hull is Navy Blue 5N; the upper hull and superstructure is Haze Gray 5-H, and the deck which is - surprise - Deck Blue 20-B.

  basepaint by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 I suppose I should say something about the colors. USN WWII model paint colors do not grow on trees - LifeColor makes them as does CoulorCoates enamels (old White Ensign). The vaunted AK Real Color range (highly praised by Japanese paint guru Nick Millman for the hard to find Japanese aviation colors) has a USN camo set, but from what I can tell on a monitor, they don't have Navy Blue or Deck Blue correct. (It looks like they have both a blue-gray, with Deck Blue the lighter. My monitor could deceive. But if this description is accurate, AK isn't right.) If you don't care about colors - you're probably smart. If you enjoyed 8th grade art class and obsess about them like me (I don't care a fig about aircraft cockpits: nor tools on tanks nor a lot of other things) USN subjects are great fun. Tracy White is a USN fanatic who collaborated with Snyder and Short on the indespensible USN WWII Ship Camoflauge web site: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/index.htm. I write military history and have a lot of color books on WWII subjects and am sure White and Snyder/Short are spot on. Here's the deal. After Pearl Harbor and the instant importance of aircraft, not to mention submarines, became obvious, the wartime Navy began to shift to and redefine wartime color schemes. This was all done in a wartime context of limited materials. In addition, ships at sea and pounded by salt air/water for long periods - increasingly the case in WWII - were painted bit by bit more or less all of the time. (Some of the 1944-45 USN Pacific ships are a riot of colors thanks to fading, rust and a common flirtation with splinter camo.) What this meant was that the USN settled on ships painted in a kind of Purple Blue Hue that vary basically with the amount of white put into them. Tracy said every ship had cans of a very thick very dark purple paint that they mixed with other cans of very thick white paint. (Not sure about the solvent. I do know the very rugged pigment cadmium was not available because it was needed for making armor plate - this meant all colors were less than idea when fighting salt water. And that "purple" paste would have been a chromatic black with a purple/blue hue) The Navy abandoned these paints on VJ Day (deciding their schemes didn't really help that much) and never put them into the Federal Standard data base. So what color were they? They were defined using the still popular (and very neat when you figure it out) Munsell Color System. All major USN WWII colors were in the Purple/Blue Hue (think of that as general color type) and varied in "value" (lightness) and "chroma" (saturation). Within a hue, the higher the value, the lighter the color, the higher the chroma, the less saturated. As luck would have it, I own a Munsell student book and can see exactly what's up. The Munsell numbers are Navy Blue Value 3.5/Chroma 3; Deck Blue Value 3, Chroma 4; Haze gray value 6, chroma 3. In practice this means all of these colors are related - deck blue is the darkest, but it is slight less saturated than Navy Blue. Haze Gray is highly saturated but the lightest. Now, I could have used my Life Color paints that are quite accurate, but are hard to airbrush. (I used them and my CoulorCoates as samples - very useful.) Here's where my Golden High Flow paints come up trumps. They airspray like a dream and are by far the best water based acrylic to use for black basing. (The acrylic/lacquers like Gunze, MRP or Tamiya are the best - but I don't have a booth and can't use them.) Golden makes paints for artists and while it doesn't have specific military colors it does have artist mixing colors with powerful and expensive pigments which are an absolute gas if you like to play with paint. I took me two damn days to get my colors right and I enjoyed every minute of it. Each color comes from a "chromatic black" base made with Quinacridone Red; Platho Blue (green shade) and Hansa Yellow. In practice it was needed to cut each with bits of white: sienna, black, neutral gray and Prussian Blue appear in tiny quantities. There's also scale effect which is important for a 1700/scale vessel. I lightened the value of each color a bit - I also exaggerated the differences between the three paints. (Deck and Navy Blue are first cousins but not twins - so I made them second cousins.)

 I'll have closer pics farther along on the projects. Of course I haven't started weathering yet - that'll be oils, Iwata Com.Art acrylics for streaking and maybe even some pigments. Fading will be an important goal. And we will need a water base which is also fun. It may be that when the weathering is done all of the fancy paint mixing and spray techniques won't mean much. We'll see. More later.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:48 PM

Excellent results, Eric.  And a very useful overview of the Navy's camouflage measures.  Thanks.

  

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Friday, January 17, 2020 2:49 PM

 

Got all my stowed equipment added (which luckily covered up some of the worst parts of the decals), now just have to add some more mud, dust, etc. to finish the weathering:

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:30 AM

Looks great, AA.  The load makes it appear ready for action.

  

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Posted by Est.1961 on Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:23 PM

Nice work on the Greyhound, will check in again for the finish.

Joe

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Posted by Armor_Aficionado on Sunday, January 19, 2020 5:14 PM

Alright, the M-8 is finally DONE!  Heres the final reveal:

 

Hope yall like it!  I'd like either the first or last picture in this series to be the picture in the front page completion gallery; thanks.

 

 

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Monday, January 20, 2020 6:01 AM

AA: Very nice and realistic vehicle. The stowed items are perfect.

Ed: Thumbs Up for your painting and choice of subject.

Eric: That's a very clever (and good looking) painting approach. I am anticipating to seeing it completed.

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Monday, January 20, 2020 6:21 AM

Some quick update on the build.

Basically I assembled the wings and after a lot of test fitting, I attached them to the fuselage. Same sequence was repeated for the engine cowling. From there, I started a marathon of sanding, filling of gaps with melted sprue and sanding again. Seams are checked with markers at various intervals.

Landing gear wells interior details were added from Eduard's PE set and then the landing gear housings were attached. Voila, some new gaps to fill.

All required rescribing will be done after filling/sanding and the final shaping of the kit's geometry are completed. 

And sanding, eee.... I mean the build goes on.

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:27 PM

Excellent, AA.  Weathering adds the final touch.  Very realistic appearance.

I cropped the photo a little, to bring it up closer and show off the deatail.  Finish photo is up for viewing on the front page.

Thanks for being part of the GB.  It was a pleasure having you join in.  

  

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:29 PM

You've sure put in a lot of work, Zvezda; but it looks like it's going well.  Nice job constructing it!

 

  

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, January 27, 2020 3:38 AM

 

Bogue is almost in port.

 

The kit itself is done. I was asking myself before this build whether this would be my last ship? My hand/eye isn't getting better and ships mean very small parts, PE and rigging. Things actually worked out okay - I didn't use all of the mini PE but the radars/masts above the bridge actually went together pretty well. And the rigging - there isn't much on a carrier - worked out ok. (I checked out Bogue builds on the very expert Model Warship site and several weren't rigged at all.) So I'd say I could build another ship - except for one hitch. I've never dropped a whole model in my life. I dropped Bogue twice - and it did damage the bridge PE. I was able to kind of fix it - and it still looks far better than the very klutzy plastic radars/masts that come with the kit. But the PE on the bridge is a little akimbo - you can bet I'll hide that with the camera. The trouble with good PE is that it is, by definition pretty fragile. Trying to realign bent PE in place (removing it would not have been a good idea at all) is never perfect. We'll live with it.

 

I described the colors I mixed for the ship. Navy Blue and Deck Blue are actually pretty close - but Deck Blue should be just a tad darker and a slightly different hue. I did make my colors a little more distinct than I should, but I didn't want them to look the same. (Should add that I gave the kit some filters including two coats of napthol red and platho blue mixed - which created a lovely purple. Also as noted earlier, all of the colors on this ship are actually purple blue - but I sure didn't want to over do that. The filters gave a subtle push in the right direction and I'm pleased with the basic colors.) Both were very heavily weathered - as the photo record clearly shows is accurate. But they're weathered differently. I used a lot of oils everywhere (reinforced sometimes with my Iwata Com.Art). I wanted to give a blotchy effect which I think is 100% accurate for a busy WWII warship. The salt wages war against the vessel and there's a lot of painting going on here and there more or less all the time. But the ship would only get a "factory paint job" if in for a visit to the drydock. The blackbasing with the primer was a good start. I also did a lot of fading here and there along with streaking (also most evident in photos). A dot of white oil worked into a small area gives a nice blotchy fade that sits next to a darker bit.

 

 Starbd by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

The deck got a heavy weather. I've seen color photos of carrier decks where the Deck Blue paint clearly shows wood peeking out. So the deck got a proper salt fade for ultra blotch. I also gave it several blotches of oil fading and a lot of wood colored chipping along with umber/black wash. I'd like to have a little more wood visible, but this is okay.

 

 deckdet by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 lft-ft by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

And just for kicks the Bogue build encouraged me to make a couple of repairs to an Accurate Miniatures TBF that I did a few years back. Terrific kit, although all AM models have a sting in the tail somewhere. As you can see, I painted it in Atlantic colors - and that got me interested in Bogue and her pals in the lethal hunter/killer groups unleashed against the U-Boats in late 43.

 

 BogueTBF by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

Not done yet though. I have to put together some aircraft. (I could leave them off, I've seen many photos with clear decks - I'd guess the planes were on the hangar deck.) More to the point I need to construct a small water base. Doing a water base is a hard core 8th grade art project, and I enjoy those.

 

Eric

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Monday, January 27, 2020 4:10 PM

Very impressive and realistic, Eric.  She looks like she's been at sea for a while.  

I hear you about hand and eyes.  Every additional year makes things a little harder.  Not ready to give up yet; hope you won't either.

I was interested in your take on Navy Blue and Deck Blue.  I usually use Colorcoats, and have them from both WEM and Sovereign.  Comparing them, the old WEM Deck Blue seemed greyer and less blue than Sovereign's take.  When I used them on USS Iowa, they seemed closer than they used to; could hardly tell them apart.

Then again, it might be the aging eyes!    

  

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Sunday, February 2, 2020 8:15 AM

Eric very impressive indeed. I like the weathered look.

 

 

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Sunday, February 2, 2020 8:22 AM

Some more pics of the assembly and sanding.

Parts of the canopy and the cockpit were masked off.

Kit's almost ready to begin with painting.

The various small parts were also assembled and prepared for paint.

Only bad thing is that I am so Sloowww...

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Sunday, February 2, 2020 11:19 AM

Good-looking work, Zvezda.  Some fancy masking of the cockpit!  

  

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 4:20 AM

 

1944 GB Finis

 

1/700 Tamiya USS Bogue: Paints Golden High Flow: Weathering Gamblin oils, Iwata Com.Art.

 

Base: 1/2" crude styrene: aluminum foil; craft paints, rayon strands, Golden Gloss Medium

 

 

 

 !boguesea by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !strbdft! by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 Bogue3 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !portr2 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

USS Bogue had one of the most extraordinary records of any warship of any nation in WWII. It was the kind record only a rich country like the US could have achieved. In mid-1943 the RN (with serious help from the Canadian Navy and the USN) had defeated the U-Boats in the North Atlantic. In June 1943 Doenitz withdrew them because the big convoys were growing suicidal to attack. Doenitz, hoping for new boats, decided to pursue what he called "replacement tonnage" strategy. In other words, if you sunk allied ships anywhere, it would put stress on allied merchant shipping. (It didn't - Doentiz never seemed to quite realize the killing blow the US Liberty Ship program had dealt the statistics of the U-Boat War. By the end of the war, the Germans sank 14 million tons of allied shipping - sounds a lot - but it was less than 5% of the tonnage available to the allies in 1945. Doenitz needed modern diesel submarines - but they weren't available, and couldn't have been. So the whole campaign was actually futile from the start. Didn't look so good in London in 1941 though.) The Germans hoped if they stayed out of the major convoys that they'd meet much less opposition, so going after "replacement tonnage" could be done without crushing casualties. It was in mid-1943 that the USN was launching enough escorts and small aircraft carriers to allow the Americans to create "hunter killer" groups of perhaps four DE's, one DD and a CVE. The exact make-up varied. Such groups had been tried by the RN much earlier without CVEs and had been a serious waste of resources. With standard escorts solid in the convoys and radar equipped aircraft flying off the CVEs the story was very different after late 1943. These groups pursued U-boats anywhere in the Atlantic.

 

 

 

Bogue was a glorified Liberty Ship - weighing in at about 10,000 tons ant 500 ft long. 20 aircraft, give or take a couple, would have been the normal air wing. All Atlantic CVEs relied on the TBM Avengers for about 12 planes. There were also 8-10 FM2 fighters (greatly improved Wildcats). SBD's were also employed on other CVEs. The TBMs had radar, bombs, depth charges and rockets. The FM2s had 50 caliber MGs and bombs. If you could hit a sub it didn't take much to sink it. Bogue's group sunk its first U-Boat in May 1943. By the time it went to the Pacific after VE Day, Bogue's planes and/or escorts sank 12 U-Boats and an I-Boat. Bogue was one of several US CVEs in the Atlantic - several Bogues went to the RN. (Interestingly the RN used their CVE's to keep the convoy lanes cleared and didn't often go far afield. So their groups killed fewer U-boats - on the other hand, crossing the North Atlantic by January 1944 was - almost - safe.)

 

Ultimately the US built 122 CVEs - most were Guadalcanal class ships that were built as dedicated CVEs. Most of the 45 Bogues were larger and more robust than the original. The CVEs were the air arm of the second of the USN's three navies. (We did pour it on the Japanese during WWII.) The first navy was the combat arm based around the fast carriers, fast battleships and a blizzard of destroyers. The second navy was dedicated to land and support invasion forces - and it could be whopping big if the operation was large. These were the old and slow battleships, CVEs, DEs, and a good dose of heavy cruisers and destroyers. (A USN "heavy" cruiser had bigger guns than the "light" cruisers - they were about the same size. The light cruisers were increasingly built as anti-aircraft vessels, so they joined the fast carrier groups. The heavy cruisers and their 8" guns often bombarded islands.)There was a third navy too - scores of oilers, transports and supply ships of all kinds operating perhaps 200 miles from the center of operations ready to resupply the other two navies with everything. Some CVEs served there for aircraft replacement. The supply ships and artificial harbors at places like Manus allowed the USN to operate at sea for unheard of lengths of time after early 1944. Naval ops in 1942 were really like a series of extended raids. After the battles off Saipan in June 1944 the USN had actual and total naval superiority in the Pacific. Today's USA couldn't possibly do that kind thing without a decade to prepare.

 

 

 

Back to my 8" Bogue. In past posts I've described the build. What I did here was to build some planes and make a sea base. Trumpeter makes 1/700 aircraft and sells them cheap - the Tamiya's kit came with Hellcats and badly formed Avengers. The Trumpeter planes were molded in clear plastic, so, if you look really close, you can see clear canopies. Little planes and very little parts - I did deal with too many fiddly things in this build.

 

Interest in sea bases has grown greatly in the past few years among ship modelers and a good one today is really impressive. Check out the splendid tutorials on YouTube done by Chris Floodberg who is one of the best ship modelers on planet earth. This is my third neo-Floodberg base, but I did things a little differently. If you subscribe to FineScale track down the April 2016 edition and check Floodberg's cover article. If you're willing to follow the bouncing ball, you'll get a great base. I cut some corners. I used 1/2" standard white styrofoam and lit a camper butane lighter underneath it and carefully created undulations across both the sea but also the divergent waves coming from the ship. Crude white styrofoam leaves a very rough surface so I gave it a good sanding. I covered it with aluminum foil - Floodberg recommends paper towel - but looking at it, I like the crinkly effect. You have to trace out a place for the ship. I also glued the foam to PVC board to straighten it out. Then I painted the thing with good craft paints. I airbrushed some lighter colors along the ship to emulate the different colors caused by churning water. For waves I used rayon threads - it's much better than cotton. (I don't know what vaping is really, but vapers do use long strings or rayon which is available on eBay - one batch will last a lifetime. You glue the rayon strands in with gloss medium. When happy, give the thing several coats of a good quality Gloss Medium - I used Golden, although I'm sure Liquitex would work okay.

 

 

 

This has been a good Group Build. Hope to see some of you in the 1945 edition. More Bogue pics below.

 

Eric

 

 !pt-ft by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !reardet by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !strbd by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !strbd-r!! by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !top by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !bowdet by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 !port!! by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:40 PM

Outstanding work, Eric.  I particularly like the photo that matches the photo of the real thing.  Very impressive.  Great water work on the "high seas," too; very realistic and dramatic!  She looks set to launch the planes.

Do you have a preference for the finish photo?  

Thanks for taking part in this GB.  Always a pleasure to see your artistry.

  

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:18 AM
CM Any pic is ok - the two on top are fine. I would have done more close-ups if I hadn't dropped the damn things TWICE and rearranged the delicate PE on the bridge. Oh well. For some reason I wasn't getting any messages from this GB for a few weeks. Finescale doesn't take good care of their boards. I do intend to have at least two for the 45 build. Best Eric

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, February 13, 2020 8:29 PM

Thanks, Eric.  I selected one that I thought displayed that dramatic bow wave to best advantage, as well as doing justice to the ship.  Great photography!

Thanks again for your contribution to the GB.  I appreciate your participation.

  

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