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Japanese Group Build VIII

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Posted by Edwin on Sunday, September 08, 2019 2:11 AM

Hi Gary

Your interior green color comes pretty close to some references I’ve seen. What brand of paint did you use?

With Tamiya’s cockpit green color, I do find that a black base alters the color somewhat to look closer than the color straight out of the bottle. 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Sunday, September 08, 2019 8:13 AM

Edwin,

I painted the fuselage and cockpit pieces with Rustoleum Flat Black, then used ModelMaster's "Interior Green" over that.  It gives a fair approximation of the Mitsubishi early cockpit color.

Gary

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, September 09, 2019 3:15 AM

I've got three Hasegawa Japanese fighters - just haven't built one. They remind me of the Tamiya 90s kits (believe most of the Hasegawa kits were new tool around then). They go together pretty well - I did a Spit IVX that Revell reboxed and it was very nice, as was their 1/48 Val. But the new Tamiya things are simply a different generation - not saying you'll necessarily get a better model when the dust settles, but I guarantee there will be moments when you mumbel - "good grief - how'd they do that? (I would have done the 2014 Tamiya rendition of the A6M5 if I didn't need to try NMF: it looks like a terrific kit.) Wish Hasegawa made more kits - not sure when the last 1/48 "new tool" plane came out from Hasegawa. I sure they'd rebox the B-26 though - a very important WWII plane that's not available. Listen Eduard? Airfix? Tamiya?

Ki-61 is mostly assembled and primed. I've used the Vallejo Metal Colors on a paint mule and I am "hopefully optimistic" (how's that for a 1980's non sequitur?). This has been an education. As noted Tamiya makes better kits than anyone else - period. (Heard about their new tool 1/48 P-38F/G? I know what my Xmas present will be.) I decided to use gloss black stynelrez. I had good luck with it when I primed my SU-76. But I had not heard their recommendations of 20-30 psi with a .5 needle. Well, had I looked at my Paul Budzik (one of the two or three best YT modelers I think) video on nozzles, I would have remembered that .5 can mean a lot bigger or smaller depending upon the complexity of the needle. The Harder Steenbeck .5 I used is complex - a very shallow slope - which means a whopping big hole. Had this been a Paasche Talon, .5 would have been right. Stynelrez is "self-leveling" which means it should clean up when laid on thick, which you'll do with a .5 at 25psi. It didn't altogether - there were some streaks that I may or may not fix. Stylnelrez did follow the scratches on the surface too well - I had the whole fuselage very smooth but there were some very light scratches on the side - and the primer pooled on top of them. OK - time for surgery. I sanded the primer off and worked more on the scratches. Then I found out that despite claims of glory from other quarters, Stylnelrez does not sand off like a lacquer - it peels around the edges. (I've heard that a coat of future will allow Vallejo primer - famous for peeling - sand solid. That wasn't what I wanted here with NMF coming.) So, after trying to reapply the primer with a slower build up (think .20mm Harder Steenbeck at 20psi) it still didn't look right. So off it came and on went my Duplicolor Hot Rod Black Lacquer Primer over the offending area on the side - barely visible on the pic below. Duplicolor - being a no joke lacquer, grasps plastic like glue (but it does not damage it at all - zero). But Duplicolor is both "fillable" and "sandable" - which means small scratches disappear and you can sand the primer very nicely to give it a very smooth satin finish. I'm guessing that the Vallejo Metal Colors are opaque enough that it won't matter a bit. Anyway, stylnelrez is now for armor only - aircraft will get Duplicolor - it's great for black basing and I'm guessing it will work perfectly well for an opaque NMF. We'll see.

 

I've also researched some pics of the NMF Ki-61s. It looks to me that the NMF finish is more irregular than I've seen on US planes. Below are a wartime photo and one contemporary museum pic which is no doubt pitted, but still shows sign of an irregular finish. Many other photos show the same I think. (Yell if you think I'm wrong.)

 

Eric

 

 primed by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 MetFlight by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 metal2016 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, September 09, 2019 6:55 AM

Edwin

Hi John

That aluminium finish looks great! Heard so much about Alclad, got to try it one of these days. Does the finish hold up when masking tape is applied to it? Or does it need to be clear coated first?

 

It does not,  I normally coat it with their clear aero gloss finish before I do any taping.   I forgot to do it on this one and some of the alclad came up, not a lot but some.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/72 A5M4 Claude

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, September 09, 2019 8:32 AM

Eric: She looks good! Personally I've only used Model Master gloss black acrylic as a base coat for Alclad and so far haven't had any problems with it. I'll keep the Duplicolor in mind case I do have any issues. 

Edwin: As John says the Alclad is pretty tough stuff. I've masked over it and only had a few cases of it peeling. Of course I tend toward low-tack tape and sticking it to my hand to remove most of the stickiness first. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by waikong on Monday, September 09, 2019 9:53 AM

Agree about Alclad good tough stuff - even though I tend to not undercoat with gloss black for ww2 subjects, as I want a more oxidized look than real shiny. But that's a subjective call. Recently I've moved away from Alclad, even though it is a great product, the smell is just strong and you need lacquer cleaner which doesn't help. I try to ventilate as best I could, with a hood and out the window, but my wife can still smell it - rather have a healthy wife than great NMF. :)

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, September 10, 2019 2:19 AM

Got the base coat down of Vallejo Metal Color Aluminum. There are some errors - but I always make some. For a first try, I'd give it good marks. It lays down very nicely - no thinning, used my main club the Iwata Eclipse HPC (.3mm) at about 12psi. Seems to level well. A lot more to do.

Eric

 painted by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

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Posted by Edwin on Tuesday, September 10, 2019 5:27 AM

EBergerud

Got the base coat down of Vallejo Metal Color Aluminum. There are some errors - but I always make some. For a first try, I'd give it good marks. It lays down very nicely - no thinning, used my main club the Iwata Eclipse HPC (.3mm) at about 12psi. Seems to level well. A lot more to do.

Eric

 painted by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

 

Finish looks great with that warm lighting Yes

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:14 AM

Ohhhhh Eric that looks sooooooo good! Going to have to try the Vallejo some day, I too don't care for the fumes from Alclad. It's just that I've made an investment in the stuff now and I hate to try to move to something else.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:44 AM
As of today I don't live alone. If I used Alclad paints that would change. (Duplicolor spraycan goes down fast and has a "fan cap" for wide coverage: works fine outside. Mr. Surfacer black primer is lacquer also - but it's not going to be sandable/fillable like Duplicolor. We'll use Stynelrez for armor - it's convenient.) I'm going to try and do some reverse black basing - maybe mottle an irregular pattern of different shades of Metal Colors - I don't see that IJAAF planes had a uniform finish at all. We'll try it on the paint mule first though. Everything is an experiment here. Eric

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:17 AM

Eric: Well as you stated the Japanese had some serious quality control issues. And it seemed that the Army planes came from the factory in NM finish. Most if not all of the camo was field applied. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by falconmod on Friday, September 13, 2019 9:03 AM

Got my A5M2 taped up for the red tail feathers

Red is done

Red may be a little darker than I wanted, but it should be just fine.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/72 A5M4 Claude

1/72 EF-111

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 13, 2019 9:30 AM

Oh wow John that looks good!!! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by falconmod on Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM

Gamera

Oh wow John that looks good!!! 

 

Thanks,  not bad for one of those "easy assembly" kits. the fuselage wings and tail are just 2 pieces that snap together.  I added glue of course.  Surprise

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/72 A5M4 Claude

1/72 EF-111

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, September 15, 2019 7:56 PM
Meng has just come out with an "easy fit" 1/48 P-51. It's more complex than your Claude, but the result remains a proper scale Mustang -- with zero seams. How you like that for a Natural Metal Finish? I was considering painting the tail of my Ki-61, but I want decals for the national symbol and can't risk a mismatch in color. Anyway, the Claude is a very neat plane. That plane and the Nate were both so nimble that both Navy and Army pilots actually objected to their "clumsy and big" new mounts - the Ki-41 and the Zero. Fortunately for the Japanese, the pilots didn't have a veto. (I've actually spent time around fighter pilots and their desire to get a government provided aerobatic ride that was a gas to fly makes total sense. A lot of our guys loved their Peashooter.) Eric Eric

 

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, September 16, 2019 7:34 AM

Started the decals, they are fairly resistant to all setting solutions.  Boo Hoo

Falconmod

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:21 AM

John: Even on an 'easy-assembly' kit the painting can be a bear. Nice job there, the swoop on the tail came out really well. Did you get the decals to comform? 

 

BTW: Did anyone else have problems getting on yesterday? Sorry I tried to post but it took forever for the site to load anything. 

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Posted by falconmod on Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:48 AM

Gamera

John: Even on an 'easy-assembly' kit the painting can be a bear. Nice job there, the swoop on the tail came out really well. Did you get the decals to comform? 

 

BTW: Did anyone else have problems getting on yesterday? Sorry I tried to post but it took forever for the site to load anything. 

 

Yes they finally settled in,  they were a little thick and I used four different kinds of setting solutions.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/72 A5M4 Claude

1/72 EF-111

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Posted by Edwin on Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:00 PM

Gamera

BTW: Did anyone else have problems getting on yesterday? Sorry I tried to post but it took forever for the site to load anything. 

 

Yup, had problems too with the site yesterday. Gave up after a while. 

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