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  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:30 PM

Hey Steve, that is very interesting about the water, and thanks for noting that. I'd be afraid to try that as well. Maybe I will be brave another time.

Thanks too for confirming about the sprue connections and what I'll need to do. That all helps. Yes

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:36 PM

GMorrison

Yes, warpage. It can be a bit of a problem with spirit based stain too, so go lightly.

Scratchbuilding with thin wood shhets, it's good practice to stain both sides to cancel out the shrinkage, but when wood decks have adhesive already applied, that's clearly not possible.

Just to repeat what I've suggested before elsewhere, do not plan to have the deck lay flat by use of clamps and strength of adhesive. It will buckle up over time. Try to get the deck to kay flat of it's own accord before final attachment.

 

This is all great advice, BilL I have it noted and I will try to follow it. Yes

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:40 PM

mach71
Bakster that decking really looks great! It should really make the ship.

Yeah it should... certainly better than the molded deck.

Your sub is coming along great! Nice work!!!

And thanks Mach.

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: Boston
Posted by mach71 on Monday, August 19, 2019 12:19 PM

More sanding and putty application and sanding.

I brushed on some grey Tamiya surface primer/prep. It's drying now. Hopepully another

sanding sesion then I can start the final assembly. 

 

 

 

Thats it for a few days, work calls.

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    August 2014
  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, August 19, 2019 12:31 PM

Mach - looking good. nice job on thecompound curves and the sheet goods.

 

Bakster - as far as staining, practice for the look you want on the corners and areas of the deck sheeting where the planking isn't.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, August 19, 2019 3:30 PM

goldhammer
Bakster - as far as staining, practice for the look you want on the corners and areas of the deck sheeting where the planking isn't.

Will do. Thanks...

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 19, 2019 3:42 PM

Bakster

 

 
goldhammer
Bakster - as far as staining, practice for the look you want on the corners and areas of the deck sheeting where the planking isn't.

 

Will do. Thanks...

 

 

 

And label and keep the pieces for future reference.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, August 19, 2019 4:51 PM

GMorrison
And label and keep the pieces for future reference.

Good thinking.

I will work towards getting some stain this week, then maybe start experimenting.

  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, August 19, 2019 8:22 PM

That's great stuff guys!

Mach71: She looks good, hope she keeps coming along so well.

Bakster and others: Please keep with the updates. I'm going to try a wooden deck someday I hope and I really find this informative.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, August 19, 2019 9:09 PM

Gamera
Bakster and others: Please keep with the updates. I'm going to try a wooden deck someday I hope and I really find this informative.

Hey Gam, for my part I will document things as I go. The guys have imparted some really good info and I am excited to try this. Tomorrow I will hit the hardware store to see what they have for stain. GM mentiond Nantucket or Drftwood, they look like great color options for my project. I am leaning towards Driftwood. I will see what they have.

Yes

  • Member since
    August 2015
  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:14 PM

mach71 its taking shape nicely.

the latset pt pics. the decals are on the wash is done,working on algae hull line and clear flat.

 

 

 Nick.

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Posted by Ted4321 on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:48 PM

Crown n7,

That boat sure is looking sharp.  I'm taking notes on your techniques. 

Yes

T e d

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:21 PM

Crown 7, the PT boat is looking sweet!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:04 PM

Well, I am a bit underwhelmed:

A= Old Master Aged Oak on actual wood stock. The stain soaked into the wood immediately and beautifully.

B= Dry brushed using Tamiya Sky Gray Acrylic thinned way down. I thought it was worth a try.

C= Dry brushed undiluted Sky Gray Acrylic. I thought is was worth a try.

D= Old Master Aged Oak on decking. I am disappointed with the stains performance here. The decking would not absorb it. I "soaked" this spot several times and the stain mostly comes off. You can see some coloration but it's not much. 

E= Zars Coastal Board. This seem to colorize better but you lose a lot of detail.

If you have any thoughts, I'd like to hear them. Not sure what I think of this yet.

 

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:31 PM

I wonder if they sealed it with something.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:44 PM

Coming right along Crown

Bakster, I wonder if you try some pastels. They usually work for me for weathering.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

http://www.spamodeler.com/forum/

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:49 PM

goldhammer

I wonder if they sealed it with something.

 

That would be my guess as well. 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:52 PM

modelcrazy
Bakster, I wonder if you try some pastels. They usually work for me for weathering.

Are you talking about colored pencils? Or pastel sticks? Interesting idea, tell me more.

  • Member since
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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:02 AM

When I use pastels, they are a powder. Kind of like ground chalk. Use a brush that will never have another use and kind of grind it in.

Weathering ships is a trick because they don't get dirty other than the upper parts from smoke, which gets really dirty. but they get salty and rusty and chipped up if operating in an icy climate where the ice gets chipped off by the deck division.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    March 2010
  • From: Boston
Posted by mach71 on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:29 AM

Bakster,

Work will take me to Honolulu today. I could pop over to Pearl and visit the USS Missouri and get some reference photos for you if you want. Just let me know what you need.

 

I know she has been refitted many times, but there might be something useful.

  • Member since
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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:12 AM

GMorrison
the deck division

That's why they're called deck apes. Wink

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

http://www.spamodeler.com/forum/

  • Member since
    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:56 AM

Bakster, like GM said, you have to be careful about it. It's the nuclear option if you will. Use pastel powder and lightly brush it on. Decks get worn with constant sea water and traffic, but are pretty tough. The world learned a thing or two from centuries of sailing. If the deck is painted, ie. American ships then the paint will wear off in high traffic areas but the deck apes, or the "Boats" rather, will get them on it to repaint. It takes a lot of time during transient from one duty station to another. The hull is a different matter. You can't get a lot of guys over the rail in boatswains chairs to needle gun and paint underway.

If you use a pastel in a color you trying to achieve it might just work. Whistling

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

http://www.spamodeler.com/forum/

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:13 AM

mach71

Bakster,

Work will take me to Honolulu today. I could pop over to Pearl and visit the USS Missouri and get some reference photos for you if you want. Just let me know what you need.

 

I know she has been refitted many times, but there might be something useful.

 

Hey Mach, thanks for the offer but I found plenty of images showing the decking.  Very nice of you to offer that!!

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:23 AM

modelcrazy

 

 
GMorrison
the deck division

 

That's why they're called deck apes. Wink

 

 

Uh oh--Planet of the Apes?  Those apes sure do get around.
Ba dum tss

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:43 AM

modelcrazy

Bakster, like GM said, you have to be careful about it. It's the nuclear option if you will. Use pastel powder and lightly brush it on. Decks get worn with constant sea water and traffic, but are pretty tough. The world learned a thing or two from centuries of sailing. If the deck is painted, ie. American ships then the paint will wear off in high traffic areas but the deck apes, or the "Boats" rather, will get them on it to repaint. It takes a lot of time during transient from one duty station to another. The hull is a different matter. You can't get a lot of guys over the rail in boatswains chairs to needle gun and paint underway.

If you use a pastel in a color you trying to achieve it might just work. Whistling

 

Thanks for that, Steve.  I tell ya... all I'd like to accomplish is cut down on that new wood look to something of an overall gray tone. When you mentioned pastels, I thought of what I have on hand. I have artists pencils and I have weathering powders, but from my experience both are impossible to put down without going too heavy. I suspect that is true because they have binders in them.

I guess I will try the pastels next. I have doubts about this, mainly because the decking seems to have a coating that is non-porous. My fear is that it will be like the stain, it won't stick. Pastels are cheap enough though, so it won't hurt to try it.

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 10:05 AM

Bakster
I have doubts about this, mainly because the decking seems to have a coating that is non-porous. My fear is that it will be like the stain, it won't stick.

I just had a thought. I wonder what would happen if I sprayed a layer of Dullcote. Maybe that would give the pastel something to sink it's teeth into. As is, the coating on the deck seems to be a hard gloss.

Spitballing. 

I have a few things I can try. Worst case, I leave it as is and move on.

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:22 AM

Bakster: I've got some photos of the USS Wisconsin somewhere, I need to find them but keep forgetting. Going out to Norfolk/Virginia Beach on vacation in November, if you need any photos I'll see about taking them for you.

Nick: That PT boat is looking sharp!!! Yes

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    June 2014
  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:07 PM

Oh Funny;

  I am getting to this one late. How about the S.S.Edmund Fitzgerald? A card Model for sure.The company makes quite a few lakers. Tanker Builder

  • Member since
    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:31 PM

TB, the Fitzgerald would be great. I've never tried a card model before but think they look great when done.

I'll get you on the roster tonight. 

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

http://www.spamodeler.com/forum/

  • Member since
    August 2015
  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:59 PM

thanks guy's for your comments.

TB the fitzgerald thats is intresting in card stock?

Bakster good luck with that planking.

latest pics on pt boat.

 

 

 Nick.

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