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  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 7, 2019 11:39 AM

Bakster: Yeah, gotta agree with the guys here. I'm going to airbrush the whole fret of PE grey and then touch up the attachment points and anywhere else I chip the paint off. Personally I use 'Gator Grip' glue on PE, I've had much better luck with it than super. 

Steve: Sorry! The Sherman started with the smaller mushroom shaped turret with the 75mm gun and later got upgraded with the larger T23 turret with the 76mm gun. If you watch the movie 'Fury' you'll see both types in it. I'll have to do some more research- I want to model the ship as my uncle served during the liberation of the Philipines. The L'Arsenal tanks are perfect for the earlier model if I need to replace the tanks. Thanks! 

I'm going to look around for more photos to comfirm or deny if the bow is correct or not.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 7, 2019 11:59 AM

BTW, looking for those photo etch helpers, I found only 2 on eBay for a good price but outragous shipping from England or Australia and nothing on Amazon. Looking for other sources, under a diffrent name, this is what I found.

https://www.amazon.com/Rhinestones-Jewelry-Picking-Pencil-Dotting/dp/B07MX7S5QY/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=nail+art+rhinestones+picker+wax+pencil&qid=1570467853&sr=8-1

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Monday, October 7, 2019 12:16 PM

Thanks guys. That's what i was thinking about the railings since the other stuff will get painted along with what ever they are guled to. The wood deck was the only thing I wondered about.

 

Speaking about PE. I got something new that I want to try out on the ship. 

When I ordered the Flexy CA gule from VMS I saw the Metal Prep 4K. You brush a thin coat over your PE BEFORE painting and it helps hold the paint on better. I've always used lacquer primer and it's been ok. Just wanted to try something new. Here's a video.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Monday, October 7, 2019 12:24 PM

modelcrazy

BTW, looking for those photo etch helpers, I found only 2 on eBay for a good price but outragous shipping from England or Australia and nothing on Amazon. Looking for other sources, under a diffrent name, this is what I found.

https://www.amazon.com/Rhinestones-Jewelry-Picking-Pencil-Dotting/dp/B07MX7S5QY/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=nail+art+rhinestones+picker+wax+pencil&qid=1570467853&sr=8-1

 

 

I remember buying mine from China. Truth is a black "greese" pencils will work just as well. You can get them at Stamples of Office Max. Come to think about it, Those are mostly wax and kids crayons are wax too. I bet those would work but not hold them as good.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, October 7, 2019 1:03 PM

Thanks for the link, Steve. I will look into buying a few. Yes

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, October 7, 2019 1:22 PM

Oh boy--not good. Figuring that these are only .14ea I'd order 10 and make it worthwhile. They want to charge $2.99 shipping ... for each pencil! $29 later--I emptied the cart. I will see what I can find locally. What a bummer.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Monday, October 7, 2019 1:37 PM

This is what I bought. Like I said they are greese pencils and can be bought at just about any businsss supply store.

 

I bought mine on Ebay before I realized what they were and could get them locally.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-10X-China-Markers-Peel-Off-Chinagraph-Grease-Wax-Pencil-For-Metal-Glass-Fabric/252815201324?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, October 7, 2019 2:34 PM

Kentucky Colonel

This is what I bought. Like I said they are greese pencils and can be bought at just about any businsss supply store.

 

I bought mine on Ebay before I realized what they were and could get them locally.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-10X-China-Markers-Peel-Off-Chinagraph-Grease-Wax-Pencil-For-Metal-Glass-Fabric/252815201324?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

KC-- I think I already have some in my stash. I will try it tonight!

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 7, 2019 4:34 PM

Bakster

Oh boy--not good. Figuring that these are only .14ea I'd order 10 and make it worthwhile. They want to charge $2.99 shipping ... for each pencil! $29 later--I emptied the cart. I will see what I can find locally. What a bummer.

 

I couldn't find the ones I ordered for $1.69, free shipping, for 2. It'll cost me $1.69 to drive to the store.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, October 7, 2019 5:10 PM

modelcrazy

 

 
Bakster

Oh boy--not good. Figuring that these are only .14ea I'd order 10 and make it worthwhile. They want to charge $2.99 shipping ... for each pencil! $29 later--I emptied the cart. I will see what I can find locally. What a bummer.

 

 

 

I couldn't find the ones I ordered for $1.69, free shipping, for 2. It'll cost me $1.69 to drive to the store.

 

Now, THAT--I can handle. I totally agree, you can't beat that price. I will try what KC suggested and if that does not work for me, I will look into what you got.

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  • From: Boston
Posted by mach71 on Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:58 PM

I'm learning lots about PE, good stuff!

 

The decals came from China, they are interesting. I ended up using only the hull numbers from China. I used the depth markings from the Skipjack kit. They are 1/230 scale and the Blueback is 1/200, so they are off a little. I could not find any that were closer.

 

I got them on tonight:

 

 

 

As near as I can figure the lower sonar dome was not on the boat for long, if at all. 

I have some googly eyes I used for detail on another kit that will work. I'm just not sure

it was really on the boat. The onlt reference for it is a side drawing, but that does not

have the "H" tail.

 

The last thing I need to address is diesel snorkle faring.

 

Edit:

 

looks like I'll have to try and reposition the port side sail numbers.

  • Member since
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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:30 PM

The Blueback is looking good Mach. What's intresting about the decals? Are they rub on?

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  • From: Boston
Posted by mach71 on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 6:08 AM

The carrier breakdown is odd. Unlike most aftermarket decals I've used, that are printed on a solid sheet of decal film and need to be cut out, or kit decals that have film around the graphic only, these are grouped together with a few graphics on decal small film sections.

They are also very thick, come off the paper almost on contact with water, and dry very fast. Lastly they dont seem to react to micro sol/set.

 

But they look very nice!

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 6:48 AM

YesYes beautiful sub...

Nick.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 9:00 AM

Your sub looks great, Mach. It looks ready to prowl the waters looking for prey.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:09 AM

Mach71: Even if the decals aren't exactly right they look good! Nice work!!! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 3:24 PM

Bakster, I ran across this video and though you might be intrested. In fact, this guy does excelent videos on several ships from Sail to WW2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDOTezQddY0&list=PLMK9a-vDE5zHuLrcOMv3FfCy8LgWd5JNH&index=1

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  • From: Boston
Posted by mach71 on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 7:18 PM

I think I have the diesel farings worked out.

 

 

I'll paint them soon and see how they look.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 7:47 PM

modelcrazy

Bakster, I ran across this video and though you might be intrested. In fact, this guy does excelent videos on several ships from Sail to WW2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDOTezQddY0&list=PLMK9a-vDE5zHuLrcOMv3FfCy8LgWd5JNH&index=1

 

 

Thanks for the link!! I found the USS Missouri on one of the videos and saved it. It showed a couple pictures from Korea War that I plan to use.

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Posted by Kentucky Colonel on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 7:48 PM

March71,

 

Good job on the sub.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:21 PM

Hey Steve, thanks for the link. I watched it and it was cool....

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:39 AM

Mach, the sub is really looking sharp Yes

KC, Bakster, you're welcome. The host, while he seems to have the slightest pro British slant, I could be wrong there since he is also a naval engineer, is funny and extremely knowlagable (and he can make a mess of some American ship names like St Louis, Wichata and Muskegon LOL). I have been bingeing his vids for 2 weeks now. He comes up with some intresting conclusions that most of the rest of us have never thought of or heard. Such as the Bismarck was not that well designed, since all of her supply lines, power and communications were outside the armor. This proved disastrous since she fell silent fairly quickly after the battle started due to power, communication and supply loss' to her guns. The Tirpitz on the other hand, incorperated these learned lessons and would probaly would have lasted longer in a gun fight had she not been bombed out of existence by what was, in essence, the grandfather of the MOAB. His recount of the Battle off Samar is excelent.

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, October 10, 2019 11:19 AM

mach71

I think I have the diesel farings worked out.

 

 

I'll paint them soon and see how they look.

 

Again that looks good! You're doing a great job. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 12, 2019 3:13 PM

Not much to show but here is a little of what I am working on.

Below: This piece is part of the ships funnel. The actual ship has a catwalk that goes around the upper most section. The kit accounts for that by supplying a horseshoe shaped ring that glues to the funnel. I thought it looked stupid, so I sanded it as flat as I felt safe to, and added railing.

A little other railing work I am doing. It is a bit wonky here and there but for now it will have to do.

Oh, lastly--I tried the Grease Pencil (China Pencil). It does seem to work but I have a concern with the residue that is left behind. For that reason, I think I'll order and try the wax ones. Those might leave some residue too but I am hoping less so, because the grease pencil is designed to leave marks behind. 

 

 

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, October 12, 2019 3:26 PM

nice work steve , I think the railings were never dead straight anyway .

 

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  • From: Boston
Posted by mach71 on Saturday, October 12, 2019 8:31 PM

Looking nice Bakster!

 

I think I'm going to call the Blueback done. I might make a stand for it, but I'll call her done.

 

 

 

 

I sealed her in flat clear. 

  • Member since
    August 2014
  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Saturday, October 12, 2019 8:43 PM

Mach...nicely done. 

I think OMSI would be proud to have it if you ever decide to pass her on.

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 12, 2019 9:08 PM

steve5

nice work steve , I think the railings were never dead straight anyway .

 

Thanks Steve 5. And yeah, I think you are right about the railing.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, October 12, 2019 9:09 PM

Thanks Mach, and your Sub looks gorgeous. Congrats!

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  • From: Boise ID area
Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, October 12, 2019 9:59 PM

Bakster, nice looking job on the PE. At 1/700 scale, it is extreamly difficult to get everything perfectly aligned.

Mach71, another sweet looking sub Yes I love the modifications you made.

Now liberty liberty liberty, liberty call for the Blueback!

Here is your achevement ribbon and grab the badge on your way to the liberty chest for a beverage of your choice. DrinksBeerToast

There's still plenty of time to sign up for another Capt. Also, don't forget about the German GB starting next Aug, just 10 months away.

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