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Ships of the American Flag GB 2019 -2021

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, February 8, 2020 5:05 PM

modelcrazy

Mongoose

The bow wave was made by forming the Medium Gel into a wave. It doesnt take much to work it into form. When I apply the cotton, I add some to it to simulate the white caps and splashes the cresting wave makes. I was stationed on a cutter and was fascinated with ship wakes, bow waves, hull boundry layers and such. I could watch them for hours. Still can.

Everything that moves through the water make the same wave action called the Kelvin Wave System. Here is a great link I found a few years back the explains it well.

http://www.steelnavy.com/WavePatterns.htm

I searched the internet for, in this case the Perry, wake paterns to study the pattern of that particular ship. Each ship, while making the same wave pattern, will have diffrent bow wake turbulances. A Freedom class LCS will create more bow turbulance than an Independence class LCS but less than a WW2 ship for instance. A transom stern will create a more turbulant stern wake than a round stern ship.

Freedom class

Independance class

OHP

North Carolina

Duck

The hardest part of making a water base is creating the Kelven wave pattern. How fast is the ship going? The length of the ship? The rougher the seas the less you will see this patern, in reverse, the calmer, the more pronounced the pattern, IE the duck in the water.

My Scharnhorst making about 5 to 10 kts in calm water.

I hope that helps.

 

And the bow wave here???

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:33 AM

LOL, oh I forgot about Nesse.

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, February 10, 2020 7:44 AM

modelcrazy

So, with those instructions I gave, ya'll can do it too, right?

 

Here is my perfect candidate, I'm working on getting a block of foam and need to order more Liquitex, then its time to hit the waves.

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, February 10, 2020 7:53 AM

I have been doing taxes and rehersing for a concert this weekend, but managed to get a little time to add some bridge details such as the two binnacles and the ships wheel.  Everthing will be be closed up when I add the roof and the mast.  It will never be seen,  so I do it because its there and its a challenge.  

A lot of work left to do. I noticed the camera picks up a lot of issues that my eye doesn't, so now I am taking pictures, blowing them up on my computer screen, then going back and doing the touch ups.  At work, we have a camera/microscope set up we use for PCBA repair, I am seriously thinking of buying one to use on these 1/700 scale ships.  

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, February 10, 2020 9:11 AM

scottrc

Here is my perfect candidate, I'm working on getting a block of foam and need to order more Liquitex, then its time to hit the waves.

I totaly agree about the camera. Just when I think things are perfect I take a pic and post it.........

That's when I notice all kinds of boo boos.

I've thought seriously about a microscope. I use one at work for the excact same thing, PCB modification and repair.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:32 AM

This is all I have left, the crew, helo and RHIB. I'm swamped working and going to real estate school at the moment so I only get about an hour or less to do anything. At the moment I'm painting the crew. I do need to make an officer or 2 though.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 11:47 AM

Scott: That looks good to me!!! 

But I know about the camera. Several times I've taken photos to post on here and saw some flaw in the photo that's never seen on the real model. DUH!!! Dunce

Steve: Awesome to see you so close to the finish here! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:01 PM

Scottrc that dreadnaught looks super! You'll probably cost me money this week at the local show as I really want to do one of those now. Wonder if i can pawn ot off as a raffle win when i bring another model into the house...With Stupid

In the pattern: A 23-Window MicroBus and an F-100 SuperSabre (foiled)!

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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 7:29 AM

Thanks guys for the supportBig Smile  Mongoose, the kits are getting quite affordable and are comparable in price to plastic kits.  

Well, I saw a squirrel and I'm deviating from my build to fullfill another project.  I saw on the clearance table at the local WM a shadow frame, so I got it and gathered the other supplies to put the Lexington in the water.

Wish me luck!  I've been dying to try this technique of Steve's. 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 9:05 AM

Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 10:17 AM

Scott: Ohhhhhhh, waiting and watching!!! 

Best o' luck! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 10:42 AM

What thickness of gel do you have there Scott? I usually use two, one medium and the other thin.

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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 12:33 PM

modelcrazy

What thickness of gel do you have there Scott? I usually use two, one medium and the other thin.

 

Medium.

I have another medium and varnish on order.  

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 12:50 PM

Perfect, I'm looking forward to it. The frame idea I got from a friend of mine. I'm sure others have uesd it too, but what a great idea.

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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:56 PM

Well, I'm off... The foam I used was really low quality and shedded like crazy as I carved it, so when I was done with shaping, I wrapped the foil over it and then glued it into the base so I didn't have to deal with it.  I did mask the base first and plan to cut away the tape when I'm all done.

Lots of fit and cut to get the ship to look right. This hull bottom is not symetrical, it was "toy scale" and really is an adventure getting it to fit into the base. 

Toyed with the foil a bit.  It dawned on my that the ship is conducting air ops, so it needs a bone in the bow since its at full steam into the wind, right now, it looks to me like its steaming out of port.  I used cotton before with disaterous results, but I'm willing to get out and try it again.

I laid a first coat of Medium. Steve, I assume you pick areas that are the crests and build those up with medium?

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, February 14, 2020 10:21 AM

Scott, yes. I can also shape the foam, and now the foil, to assist in shaping any waves, crests or troughs needed. I have tried many diffrent foams, from the green stuff for flowers, too dusty, the blue stuff for home building, similar to normal Styrofoam but slightly better, regular Styrofoam with the results you have and the hard white foam. My favorite is the hard stuff, although I do keep trying the others for availability reasions.

Good start, and yes, getting the hull cut out neetly in the foam is a job.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, February 14, 2020 3:10 PM

Scott: Whoa, that looks cool! She's coming along great there! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by scottrc on Saturday, February 15, 2020 9:27 AM

Thanks Gam,

Got the base painted with different hues of green, blue, white mixed in different spots, some coats of medium, then mounted the hull.  I only broke a few bits off.  I have now started building up the wave effects off the hull with the cotton and medium.

Note to self, lay down medium, then the cotton!  Yup, I tried brushing medium over unsecured cotton and I had cotton stuck to everything but where I wanted it.  Dunce

This is fun, like doing a school art project.

Recent glam shot

The effect I am going to try to achieve. 
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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:24 AM

Great looking boundary layer Scott.

Yeah, the cotton attaches itself to everything, the gel gets on your hands and cotton and gel are stuck on them for days. Huh?. I use gloves now.

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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, February 16, 2020 8:14 AM

Some more layering and swell detailing this morning.  

And got the roof on the pilot house and the mast stepped and secured.

 I hope this deviation is ok.  Funny thing about this display of the Lex and the "American Flag" theme of this GB is that I want to place the model as part of a service display that includes my fathers plank owner and shellback certificates that he got on the Lex, his crow, far east campaign medals, and his burial flag and shells.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, February 16, 2020 8:37 AM

Scott those wakes are looking awesome! Wow does that look like a nice display. Will be a perfect tribute for your dad.

In the pattern: A 23-Window MicroBus and an F-100 SuperSabre (foiled)!

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, February 16, 2020 5:34 PM

Scott: Great work there on the water and your dreadnaught. The tribute base sounds like a really cool idea.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Ted4321 on Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:08 PM

These water effects are awesome.  I will be copying you guys whenever I get around to starting my ship.  

T e d

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, February 16, 2020 7:46 PM

scottrc

Some more layering and swell detailing this morning.  

And got the roof on the pilot house and the mast stepped and secured.

 I hope this deviation is ok.  Funny thing about this display of the Lex and the "American Flag" theme of this GB is that I want to place the model as part of a service display that includes my fathers plank owner and shellback certificates that he got on the Lex, his crow, far east campaign medals, and his burial flag and shells.

Looking awesome Scott. I take it the gel hasn't dried yet. If you bought the clear, just add the cotton where the gel dries clear. 

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