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  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Goteborg / Sverige
Posted by Svenne Duva on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 4:47 AM

Wohaa,

nice set of etch there Jack!

Would you care to share the template - I have the kit still lying around unfinnished and this looks way cool!

Best Regards
Svenne

sic transit gloria mundi

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:21 AM

Tjhe Chally has come out nicely there, that wash really brings out the detail.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/MPM 1/72nd Bf 109G-12

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    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 10:39 AM

For those that like (or have to) mix their own paints, I've found another route using Golden High Flow acrylics brand (can be used for airbrushing).  If you have the RGB digital value of a required paint colour, you can input the numbers into their online paint mix calculator:

https://www.goldenpaints.com/mixer

Mike Starmer was able to share with me some of these digital values he had, though they were calculated by someone else.   For SCC 15, those values are 87,86,63.

 

You can also click the option to reduce the amount of suggested paint colours by one, and still have a decent match.  This is illustrated below, and now only require two paints to be mixed. 

It still is a good idea to have Starmer's book so one can compare to his painted swatch sample, and make further adjustments if necessary.

 

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 11:46 AM

Steve: Somehow I missed the Apache, your usual super nice work there- congrads!!! 

Robert: The Chally is coming along really nicely, the septia wash really works well with the desert sand camo. 

Svenne: Glad to hear you were able to get hold of the paint you needed. 

Jack: Hmmmmmm, interesting. I'll be sure to note that for the future if I shouldn't be able to get hold of the Tamiya paint.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 12:51 PM

Thanks guys.

Looking at all the completed builds, they are all just awesome!

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    December 2005
  • From: Goteborg / Sverige
Posted by Svenne Duva on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 12:57 PM

Hi lostagain,

That interior looks as if the washes are doing the job alright!
Looks the part!

Never tried the pigments - are you OK with the application and the process as such?

Looks as if you are - so any advise?

Very Best Regards

Svenne

sic transit gloria mundi

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    December 2005
  • From: Goteborg / Sverige
Posted by Svenne Duva on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 1:07 PM

@modelcrazy, 

Really "nice" Apache!

Allways thought this is the only Helo that could match the Hind, not from a technial point but the shere brutal looks!

Nice one!

Very Best Regards
Svenne

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  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Goteborg / Sverige
Posted by Svenne Duva on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 1:15 PM

@Glamdring

Neat Challenger!
1/72 sleeping sodier - no sorry.

And against Company Standing Orders :)

Very Best Regards
Svenne

 

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  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 10:09 PM

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the views and comments!  I found a set of resin WW2 soldiers on Ebay that includes a wounded man on a stretcher.  With some careful surgery, I could probably trim the stretcher away, but it ships out of Hong Kong and wouldn't arrive until late December at the earliest.    Kind of pricey too, at $16 for three 1/72 figures that I won't use for anything else.

I may have to pass on this idea, but I will keep an eye out this weekend for a good deal on a wounded soldier figure set!

Robert

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." 

  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, November 26, 2020 11:32 AM

Robert: Cool, hoping you'll post photos when you get them! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    April 2014
  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Saturday, November 28, 2020 7:28 AM

 

Harold, arrrrgh, the whole model in oven cleaner! I have heard of it being done but wow that’s a huge step. It has taken it back very cleanly.

 

Steve, the Apache has come up really well, nice finish.

 

Robert, great work on the Challenger. The colour and the weathering have come up really well.

 

Jack, that paint computer looks interesting. Like to see more of that for other paint brands.

 

Svenne, I am using mig pigments with their fixing fluid if I want to build it up a bit. For a light dusty finish, I just scrub it into the matt finish.

 

The Achilles is now done. It was painted with a bit of fading on various panels. After that there was a dot filter, then a pin wash around the panels. After that it was the pigments to make it a bit more dirty.
 

 

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    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, November 28, 2020 10:57 AM

Hello Lost, that's a very sharp looking Achilles.  Like the contrast of the ammo against the finish of the vehicle.  Yes

 

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:56 AM

Thats come out great LA, really nice finish. Thank you. Will get the front page updated.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/MPM 1/72nd Bf 109G-12

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Saturday, November 28, 2020 7:22 PM

The finish on that Achilles is great!

Robert

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Sunday, November 29, 2020 4:17 AM

Thanks Bish, Robert and Jack, the Tamiya kit fell together very nicely.

Bish, thanks for running another great group build. I have enjoyed watching the other builds and have learnt a bit in the process.

Look forward to seeing more of the builds as the GB goes on.

Piers

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, November 29, 2020 4:20 AM

Thanks LA, and always a pleasure to have you on board.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/MPM 1/72nd Bf 109G-12

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, November 30, 2020 6:34 AM

One month to go before tyhe dn of the GB. But as always, if your name is on the list, please feel free to keep posting your pics as long as you like, i don't want anyone to feel rushed.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/MPM 1/72nd Bf 109G-12

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 30, 2020 11:27 AM

Piers: She looks fantastic! Love how the pigment weathering turned out! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Friday, December 4, 2020 7:43 PM

Decals are added and clear coat applied:

 

Goal is to hit it with pigments this weekend and cobble together a some kind of a desert looking base with the supplies I have on hand.  That should be interesting.

 

Robert

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." 

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Friday, December 4, 2020 10:38 PM

Hi Robert, that is coming along really nice.  

Photo references show the identification thermal panels as being a white colour;

 

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, December 5, 2020 8:10 AM

Very nice work on the Chally Robert. As jack shows, those panels are a much light colour.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/MPM 1/72nd Bf 109G-12

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Saturday, December 5, 2020 9:12 AM
LA, great work on the Achilles, the ammo is a nice contrast to the vehicle
Robert, the Chally is looking good with the decals on.

 
  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Saturday, December 5, 2020 11:43 AM

jgeratic

Hi Robert, that is coming along really nice.  

Photo references show the identification thermal panels as being a white colour;

 

regards,

Jack

 



Yes, I saw that as well while researching groundwork for my base, though some videos I watched on YouTube showed them as being the same color as the tank as well.  Not sure what that context was, but as a generality it seems white was definitely the color.  Leave it to Dragon's instructions to take the easy path, they even called for the entire gun barrel and canvas dust covers to be the same tan as the body.  

Not a hard fix to make certainly.  I may try to scratch build the ID panels at the front while I'm at it.

The other thing I could have done was left them off.

Robert

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." 

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    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, December 5, 2020 12:43 PM

Hmm, wonder if the the panels were issued in a standard finnish, but specifically painted white for Operation Telic as a further visual identification aid when observed with the naked eye?

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Saturday, December 5, 2020 2:17 PM

I'm wondering if maybe they were using a US panel in that video, the US forces seem to use tan identification panels:

On an Abrams

Robert

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, December 5, 2020 2:25 PM

I've never used these panels myself. But looking at pics, there seems to be a differance between the ones on British and US vehicles. On all the British ones i can find, the slats go down and are white.

But on US ones, they go up and are the same colour as the vehicles.

Not sure if the slats can be moved so they are double sided or we use differant designs.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/MPM 1/72nd Bf 109G-12

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  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Saturday, December 5, 2020 8:35 PM

This is all complete speculation, because I can't find any information about the color or direction of the the CID panels to know for sure, but I did find an image of an Abrams that had the flaps in the down direction as well.  It does seen that these panels are perhaps issued to and applied by the crew?  In one of the Abrams pictures above, they look to be affixed with ratchet straps and in the other by zip ties!  The Challenger 2 is a but more refined, with the panels bolted in place.  Big Smile

The best line I was able to find on the topic came from a report from the UK's National Audit Office on the Progress in Combat Identification, from 3/3/06: 

"NATO is key to helping ensure that allies’ Combat Identification equipment can function effectively together. Coalition partners agreed to use some capabilities based on NATO standards in coalition operations. For example, during Operation TELIC the fitting of appropriate target friend or foe identification equipment to coalition aircraft and Combat Identification Panels and Thermal Identification Panels to coalition vehicles based on NATO standards agreed by coalition partners. The Department procured and leased some equipment as Urgent Operational Requirements to enable our Armed Forces to operate effectively with United States Armed Forces."

This explains why they all look the same, and perhaps on the video I had seen the panel was taken from US stockpiles.  Either way, the photographic evidence strongly indicates the UK used white panels overall, so white panels mine will become.

Robert

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:26 PM

So just time to squeeze in one more build. There are 2 British army vehicles i really have a think for, other than the Warrior of course. Back in the 70's when i was 6 or 7, there was a large fair at a local park in Norwich, and the Army were there. I recall they had 3 armoured vehicles, and while i think one might have been an Abbot, the other 2 i am certain of, a Scorpion and Chieftain. I think it was from that day that my desire to join the Army started. So when i got interested in building modern British armour a few years back, those 2 were high on the wish list. Now i have both in the stash, and this is as good a time as any to build one of them.

I will be building it in the scheme of one of the BATUS training vehicles as shown on the box. The only extras will be an Accurate Armour resin barrel and some 3D printed exhausts from FC Model Trend.

I started a few weeks back while i was doing teh Harriers so i could get the lower hull and suspension painted early.

These parts were assembeled on the sprue so i could get all round them.

And an armour build is not complete without a wheel forest.

Once the lower hull and suspension parts were painted, they got put together. I use my usual Tamiya mix here of NATO green and field grey. But i will be useing MiG paints on the rest.

These are the 3D exhausts, first time useing printed parts on an armour build.

And then last weekend i started on the rest of the build. For a well detailed kit, it goes together very easily and quickly. The hull is ready for primer. I left off the wing mirrors as tehse are not used in BATUS.

And the turret is just waiting for the TOGS on the left side. I left off the top of the comanders hatch so i can paint around it before fitting the clear periscopes.

The gun barrel was originally part of the Accurate Armour kit, now sold as a seperate AM part. A hole had to be drilled to allow it to fit on the Takom mount, but i was able to get a nice tight fit.

I should be able to get the primer on by the midle of the week. Then i can start on the tracks. I am useing MiG paint so i have a good match for the sand colour. But my LHS didn't have their field grey so i have ordered some which should be here by the end of the week.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/MPM 1/72nd Bf 109G-12

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 6, 2020 7:58 PM

I don't know what's accurate there Glamdring but she's coming along great! Sharp work!

Bish, really nice work there, the Chieftain is a good looking tank and you're doing a great job on her.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:58 PM

The tracks are on the Conqueror and I've applied stucco paint to the undersides to be painted as mud.

 

I had to put on the tracks and then cement the lower and upper hull together so the top of the rear hull bulkhead is not painted. It's painted now and just got the decals and tools on her.

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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