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  • Member since
    January 2013
  • From: Athens, Greece
Posted by Zvezda1980 on Monday, August 3, 2020 3:51 PM

Steve , I took my time studying your pictures. Woaw!!! I think even the guys at Kure naval yards who built the original would be impressed! I am really looking forward to the next phases of this epicus metallicus.

  • Member since
    January 2013
  • From: Athens, Greece
Posted by Zvezda1980 on Monday, August 3, 2020 4:14 PM

GraySnake, we must build a couple of winter snow dioramas to cool off a bit. Last week I destroyed a perfectly applied (until then) painting on a Hellcat, with heavy drops of sweat suddenly unleashed from my - apparently overheated - head.

I love your Type61, this seems like a very nice classic kit and your interventions are to the point.

GAF, thank you , most of it will not be visible inside the Kate's deep fuselage, but I enjoyed the whole procedure.

I finally put everything together, and started test fitting it into the fuselage. For the moment I quit everything and head off to air conditioning and cold beer.

 

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, August 3, 2020 5:19 PM

Zvezda: Thanks for going ahead. Your results look great!!!

 

I know what you mean, it's been pretty hot here too, running 90F/33C lately.

Sorry my posting is going to be a little off for this week. I'm on vacation/holiday and the wi-fi here is pretty bad.

The last email I got from the mods is that things are a little crazy for them due to the whole Corona Chan mess. I'll give them a few weeks to see if I can get back on with my original handle before I relaunch this GB with another post. Thanks for the ideas and support guys!!!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Monday, August 3, 2020 5:26 PM
Zvezda, I like the idea of building some winter dioramas to cool off.
 
 
Glad you like the Type 61. I’ll be glad once it becomes a little cooler and I can finally start airbrushing. It’s still going to be hot for another two weeks the forecast shows so I’m stuck right now. Probably start another model or paint some figures.
 
 
The Kate is coming along very nicely. The detail painting came out really well.
 
 
Gamera, hope you have a good vacation.  

 
  • Member since
    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, August 3, 2020 6:57 PM

Thank you Zvezda

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Monday, August 3, 2020 11:27 PM

Steve,

Hey! You're welcome!  Always happy to impune someone's mental health!  Wink

I haven't posted an update on my A6M5a since April, so I guess it's time to show my progress (if any).  I've only gotten back to it for the last month or so, and there really has been no unusual or difficult problems to mention.  It's been going together fairly smoothly.

Here's where I left off in April:

And here's where she stands now:

I think this image gives a better idea of what the color looks like in person.

At the moment, I'm trying to cobble together enough decals to finish her.  My efforts to print my own have not been very successful, so I'm scavenging a few from other kits.

You will notice the base coat is on, and I've skipped the "chipping" techniques and just used silver paint applied with a toothpick to indicate loss of paint.  I didn't go too overboard with the "chipping", just enough to give it a less than new look.  I probably will add some more around the cowling and prop before I finish up the decals and give it a coat of dullcoat.

The only technique worth mentioning is the canopy frame.  I sprayed a piece of clear decal paper with the base coat (Hunter's Green) and then cut thin strips (of slightly varying widths) to lay across the frame lines.  This has worked out fairly well.  On the front wind screen I used some vinyl tape (lighter green stuff).  I'll paint over that when I finish it up in the base color.  After the dullcoat, I'll attach the canopy and add the bottom edge framing next to the fuselage.  Still need to add all the fiddly bits, but they go on last!  I've learned my lesson about breaking parts off.

Probably won't be another update until she's finished.  Thanks for looking!

Gary

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, August 3, 2020 11:35 PM

Gary, I have a ton of Hinomaru decals because I always paint them anymore, is that what you need, or is it tail markings of some kind.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:34 AM

The Zero is looking good. 

 
GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Tuesday, August 4, 2020 1:15 PM

Greysnake, 

Thanks!  She's coming along.

John,

The hinomaru are fine.  I have those.  It's some smaller Japanese labels that I need.  I'll get by.  Smile

Note to everyone.  I'm unable to log in from my main computer.  First Firefox went out, and today Opera.  I'm  logging in on my tablet now which is not ideal.  If you don't hear from me in a few days it means I'm locked out.  Send word to Enash!  

Gary

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Thursday, August 6, 2020 10:54 AM

Well, you know how things are going along smoothly, and you're making great progress on a project, and you think everything will proceed according to a plan, and then the gods laugh in your face and something happens that screws up all your work and you're left holding a disaster of epic proportions?

WELCOME TO MODELING!  Sad

I must admit I didn't see this coming.  I (in my blessed ignorance) thought things were going along swimmingly.  I had finished up the weathering on my A6M5 Zero and had set it aside for the night, thinking I might think of something else I needed to do in the morning.  When morning came, I could not think of anything else to do before applying dullcoat (except NOT attaching the canopy as I had done before on another project), so I grabbed a can of Testor's dullcoat, set the model up and gave it a good coat.  No problem there and it seemed to be working fine.  However, when I went back to check on it about half an hour later, to my horror I found that the paint for the Zero had crazed on the wings!  WTH!  Apparently, Testor's dullcoat and the Krylon brand of paint I had used for the base coat did not agree, though suprisingly the fuselage was fine and only the top of the wings had undergone this strange reaction.

I must admit, I thought about throwing it in the trash, but the frugal part of me said no.  I tried sanding, but the paint still looked like alligator skin.  I thought about just accepting it and claiming "Well, of course the paint is crazing!  It's a Japanese Zero!" but decided that was out of the question.  So I began the laborious task of separating the wings, removing the landing gear and using an X-acto knife separating the top half of the wings from the bottom half (which was fine).

Right now the top half of the wings are soaking in purple stuff and I'm going to try to get that paint off and try redoing them from scratch.  Not sure how it will turn out, but I'll give it my best shot.  I admit this is a lot of work that I sure didn't want or need.

It does mean, however, that I will need some hinomaru (1/48th scale), so if that offer still stands I will take you up on it.  I'll send you a PM if the offer is still good.

MODELING IS FUN!  Ick!

Gary

 

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:17 PM

Of course, Gary.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:50 PM

Thanks, John!  PM on the way.

The wings have been stripped of the Krylon paint, although the "Purple Stuff" didn't even scratch the primer.  Go figure!  When I can, I intend to re-prime and paint them.  Heat and humidity being the main hold-up there.  Meanwhile, I'm starting on another GB project that I've been putting off for awhile.

Gary

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Thursday, August 6, 2020 6:35 PM
Oh dear sorry to hear about the Zero. I admire the fact you are continuing along with the model and fixing it. I’ve had a couple builds mess up when they are about finished and ended up boxing them for almost a year.
 
 
Finally started back work on the Type-61 this morning. It was cool enough outside at 0530 that I could finally airbrush before it got to hot. Sprayed the tank with Tamiya XF-69 NATO black as a shadow coat and tomorrow if the weather plays fair I’ll spray white on some of the panels. Not very thrilling to look at but here it is.

 
GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Friday, August 7, 2020 7:19 AM

GS,

Thanks!  I'm too stubborn (or full of *hit) to give up so easily.  Luckily, the parts separated well enough, and it gives me a chance to correct some minor things that I was ignoring till now.

The 61 is looking splendid.  I did want to ask if the Japanese had a camo scheme at this time?  Not knowing much about Japanese armor, I've assumed that the post-war tanks were merely a OD like the Americans.

NOTE: Checking back earlier, I see you're going with the two-tone scheme.

Gary

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Friday, August 7, 2020 12:20 PM
Originally the Type 61’s were painted in what I guess is OD and at some point the JGDSF switched to a two tone camouflage I’m going to guess around the late eighties early nineties. I could have built an OD colored one out of the box but it would have been less interesting looking since it wouldn’t have had the upgrades that the later variants had such as the smoke grenade launchers.
 
I woke up at 0600 much later than usual since I had a rather late night and somehow managed to get some more painting done. I only got six hours of sleep last night and feel like taking a nap before long. Guess I’m not young anymore where I can function all day with only a few hours of sleep. Here’s the model now with the white sprayed on to highlight the panels before the base camouflage. Not that interesting to look at tomorrow I’ll start on the camouflage.

 
  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, August 8, 2020 6:23 PM

Greysnake: That looks fantastic. Really looking forward to how the camo comes out. It's more trouble to paint but I like the look much more than the plain jane OD green.

Gary: OUCH!!! That blows. I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt- yet it's really annoying when you're basically DONE and that happens. Kudos to you for not flinging the model across the room, I really need to work on anger management issues. Best of luck on getting her repaired.

 

And WHOA, looks like the IT guys fixed my account- just posted you to the front page Zvezda!!! Balloons

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Saturday, August 8, 2020 11:25 PM

GS> I'm retired so my sleep patterns are a mess.  Up all night, sleep during the day.  Of course, there's the bathroom runs...  Sad

I see the white over-spray came out well.  Nice work!

Gamera> Glad to see you back, and your account restored.  Hope you had a great vacation!

As for the Zero, I managed to get the wings re-sprayed early this morning.  They're fine and are curing at the moment.  When they've dried sufficiently, I intend to run a test on one.  The "Hunter's Green" is actually Rust-O-Leum paint (not Krylon).  I have a can of Matte Clear Rust-O-Leum so I'll give it a try and see if it reacts better than the Testor's dullcoat. Keeping my fingers crossed!

Gary

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, August 9, 2020 12:00 PM

Gary, I haven't seen a PM from you about the decals yet,

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Sunday, August 9, 2020 12:26 PM

jeaton01

Gary, I haven't seen a PM from you about the decals yet,

Hmmm, I sent one two days ago.  I wonder what's wrong now?  I'll send it again, and send one to the e-mail address you have listed under your profile.

Gary

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, August 9, 2020 6:53 PM

Sounds good Gary, looking forward to more photos of your Zero.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Monday, August 10, 2020 11:41 AM
Got the two tone camouflage painted over the weekend. Forget to take a few pictures of the kit with just the base color of Tamiya XF-52 as weekend was pretty busy and slipped my mind. The second color sprayed on was Tamiya XF-65 Field Grey. I was glad to finish up yesterday as it was getting pretty warm and I felt like I’d been out in the bush for hours already. When I got everything cleaned and put away at 0730 the temperature was already close to 90 degrees or 32 Celsius. I’m really ready for summer to end. I’ll stop rambling show you the pictures.

 
I’m rather happy with how the camouflage turned out. There is some very subtle variation in the paint thanks to the black and white paint underneath its not coming out great in the photos yet you can tell in person. On the lower part of the hull I lightly sprayed the XF-52 and left a lot of the black showing to create fake shadows. Again hard to tell in the photos however in person you can see it. This is probably the best camouflage I’ve done in all my years in the hobby.  
 
While doing the second color I did come to the conclusion that I do need to start looking at getting another airbrush. While the Badger 150 I have is very good I can’t help but feel it’s starting to hold me back as the color cup or the larger jar attachment really gets in my way when trying to do fine detail work. So I’m going to start looking at gravity feed airbrushes.
 
Tomorrow I’ll give the model a glosscote and then look at painting the canvas cover on the mantlet. Not sure what extent I’ll weather the model from looking at photos of the real thing Japanese crews took very good care of the tanks.   

 
  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, August 10, 2020 11:57 AM

Greysnake: Ohhhhhhh, that looks good!!! BTW I switched to a gravity feed airbrush with a colour cup years ago and I'd never switch back. The jar on the bottom just seemed way more finickly on getting the paint mixed perfectly to get the siphon tube to work.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: AZ,USA
Posted by GreySnake on Monday, August 10, 2020 12:41 PM
Thanks Gamera! I’ll definitely be getting a gravity feed airbrush before long like you did I’m having problems getting the paint mixed so the siphon tube works. It’s going to feel weird using some thing other than the 150 since that’s been the only one I’ve used for two decades.

 
  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, August 10, 2020 4:47 PM

One of the other nice things about the colour cup is if using something already fomulated for airbrush use like ModelAir you can just squeeze a few drops into the cup and spray if you only want to spray something small. With the jar I always had to make up more paint than I needed just to give the tube something to pick up. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    May 2011
  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Monday, August 10, 2020 5:58 PM

GreySnake,

The Type 61 is coming along very nicely!  You are doing justice to an old kit.

The weather here in Hawaii has been hot, but not like last year.   I think the humidity is not as bad, because while the temperature in my room has gotten up to 87 F (30 C), it doesn't feel crazy-crazy-crazy hot.

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, August 10, 2020 8:43 PM

I have two gravity feeds, both Badgers.  One has a small cup, the other has a large one.  I like that they are very easy to clean.  I also like that they handle low air pressures better than suction feed.  The suction feed 150's are mostly in the drawer, bless their long lasting hearts.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: NYC, USA
Posted by waikong on Friday, August 14, 2020 1:07 PM

Graysnake, that's looking nice! I'm not familiar with that vehicle at all.

Ok, so I've been slowy but surely making progress on my Mitsubushi ki-45, starting with the cockpit of course.  Seeing Steve's crazy PE adventure, I was inspired to use the complete Eduard PE interior set - I usually just use major pieces, but this time i went all out even with those extremely small handles.  Thankfully, they are starting to put a few extras pieces in the fret

Of course, once you go down this rabbit hole, all those panels looks strangely 'naked' and screams for piping and wiring.  Way too much empty space, especially behind the recon camera, it's a rats nest of hoses/wiring back there. Even though you can't really see that too well once closed up, but is a sickness right ?

Misc copper wiring and solder was used, The 'netting' in the middle is actually a piece of pe grill from a Revell Stealth Fighter cut up and a piece of plastic card thinned and shaped will stand in for a cloth covering underneath.  The recon camera was just a plain blob, so misc left of PE and some old reheat brand panels were added.

Finally, painted up:

Ok, you have to STOP sometime, because you can always add more stuff.  Some more dirt and weathering on the floor and I'll close this up this weekend.

My website: http://waihobbies.wkhc.net

   

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Friday, August 14, 2020 7:22 PM

Waikong>  That is impressive!  My cockpits always look so... messy.  Can't wait to see the rest!

Gary

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, August 15, 2020 8:20 AM

Waikong: Oh WOW! As Gary said what a clean beautiful job on the cockpit! And I love the extra detail you've added. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Saturday, August 15, 2020 10:34 PM

I wasn't going to post another WIP image, but that was before I had to disassemble the aircraft and redo the wings.  Here's a shot of where she stands now.

Taken with my camera, I think this image gives the best idea of the color of the model so far.  Still not finished, but much closer.  I need to finish framing the canopy, adding small bits (guns, pitot tube, weights, antenna wire).  First I want to do some touch-ups and some additional weathering.  Then I'll try finishing up the pilot model.  I'm not so enamored of that suit color, so that will probably come off.

Anyway, getting closer to being finished (God willing!).

Thanks for looking!

Gary

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