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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, March 23, 2021 1:20 AM

I think I've reached the point where any further fiddling is going to be of minimal effect on the XFV-1.  Here is a recap, since it started so long ago.

 

I started with a glue bomb that was for the most part complete. I do have a unstarted kit, but since I wanted to make this one as accurate as I could it didn't seem appropriate to use up the collector kit, they are not very plentiful. Some parts were broken off such as several tail fins, some had broken off and were poorly repaired, and some of the casters on the tail fin were missing. I was able to break all the old glue joints without major damage and all the old paint was scraped off.

The changes were a cockpit, built up from an F-80 tub and various PE sets, and an ejection seat that I can't remember the source of that was somewhat modified to resemble what little I could see in pictures. I made a master for a vacuform canopy, and traded some decal work for a friend who made some nice canopies for me. The exhaust duct on the bottom was not represented in any way, and the fairing between it and the oil cooler inlet on the bottom was modified extensively , both areas done with plastic card and Epoxyclay. The engine air intakes were boxed in at the nose. There was a lot of filling and sanding on this one. There are still some areas that could benefit from more prep for the metal finish, but with my builds there always is. I console myself by muttering "perfection is the enemy of progress". I'll park a jeep or something in front of that area. The finish is Alclad 101 over a flat black finish that was buffed to a satin sheen. The control surfaces on the tail and the trailing edges of the wings were buffed with SNJ powder before the Alclad was set hard. The Spinner is ADC Grey and the tip pods are F-15 Dark Grey, both Model Master. The prop hub fairings are Alclad Magnesium.

All the decals were drawn up in Autocad and Corel Draw and printed on a laser printer except the prop logos which were done on an ALPS. The stars and bars were from decal spares, it's just easier. Masks were drawn up and cut on a Silhouette Cameo using Tamiya masking paper sheet. The 657 numbers were interesting because of the large curvature in that area of the nose, when the masks lay flat they get bigger as they progress forward. Windscreen masks were also made.

The last picture shows where some of my interest in building the XFV-1was created. Many years ago, a friend who is no longer with us built the Lindberg XFY-1 to a very high standard, and it needed some company.

The glue bomb:
 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, March 22, 2021 8:34 AM

Lots of work Piers. Man that's a big gap! And that engine......

Looks great now though. I love yellow wing planes, even autogyros.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Saturday, March 20, 2021 7:35 PM

Hi John, sounds like good progress, I still don't see your photos...

Tomcat, good work on the Huey, I made one of these back in th eday of tube glue and brushing humbrol paint on. You have made a fantastic job straightening out a difficult kit. The finish is great, looking forward to this one.

The Autogyro has its ownn issues - this is the gap between the wing and fuselage:

Then there was a bit of work to tidy up the engine - this gives an idea of the moulding issues ofr this kit:

 Then I knocked the forward bulkhead off - had to thread it back in through the open cockpit.

 Getting there - now with yellow on the wings.

 

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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, March 16, 2021 10:28 PM

Another update on the glacial progress with the Aurora XFV-1.  A darker grey paint was applied on the wing tip pods, props painted up with stainless steel on the hubs and gloss light grey on the spinner. The instrument boom and pitot tube were made from music wire and brass tube and installed.  The control surfaces and the trailing edges of the wings were painted in a more shiny aluminum.

Still a ways to go, I have to figure out a way to add more surface detail.

 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, March 15, 2021 12:10 PM

Looks pretty good there TC

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: South west, PA
Posted by Tomcat on Sunday, March 14, 2021 4:18 PM

Starting to decal the Huey. The decals are thick but seem to be behaving better than I expected...

Here are my improvised decals for the painted stripe on the boom. Not too shabby after all...

Mark aka Tomcat

On the workbench: Monogram 1/24 '69 Pontiac GTO and a Monogram 1/67 (box scale) B-26 Invader

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Posted by Tomcat on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 5:20 PM

Dave, it is a Monogram 1/48 Huey.  It was part of the young model builders club I belonged to about 30 years ago.

Monogram was not doing young model builders any favors with this kit.

In the end, I think it will turn out OK. 

Mark aka Tomcat

On the workbench: Monogram 1/24 '69 Pontiac GTO and a Monogram 1/67 (box scale) B-26 Invader

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 3:12 PM
Hey Tomcat! What boxing is that Huey? I built one of those a long, long time ago as a kid, but don't remember the seams being that crazy. I admire your grit and stick-to-it-ness; you are winning the battle against that bird! I think I have one more of those somewhere still in my stash....it has me thinking, but what, I'm not really sure! Keep on, keepin' on!!

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, March 8, 2021 6:02 PM

That is looking freaking cool TC!

Painting stripes always look better anyway. 

Steve

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  • From: South west, PA
Posted by Tomcat on Monday, March 8, 2021 4:10 PM

I am starting on the next phase of this Huey build...paint.

Here I've primed her up with Model master Neutral grey...

Just about ready to paint then I realized that the yellow band on the tail boom is part of the decal set...

I am fairly certain these decals will be as thick as scotch tape, so I decided to paint the band on...

I will mask off the yellow and finish with Olive drab. The only problem with this approach is adding the red "arrow" and "DANGER  KEEP AWAY" wording on the band.

To solve this, I created in Word a document that will approximate the sizing, color and font found on the decal. Once created I printed it out on clear decal paper...

Here it is drying after applying a coat Krylon Cystal clear. I think it came out reasonably close to the original. 

Here is the under side of the bird freshly painted...

and the skids, pilots side door and weapons pod...

I did make one glaring error. I forgot to mask off the rear facing engine exhaust nozzle, DOAH! A relatively minor error to correct. Well that's all for now.

Mark aka Tomcat

On the workbench: Monogram 1/24 '69 Pontiac GTO and a Monogram 1/67 (box scale) B-26 Invader

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, March 3, 2021 8:09 AM

Goos start on the little fella Lost. That's going to be a cool build.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Wednesday, March 3, 2021 5:31 AM

 

Omar, great work on the -J, plenty of fine detail work there.
And straight back into it with the -1G! Good recovery from all the unplanned surgery has ended with a fine result. The faded OD paintwork is very effective, brings life to a one colour scheme.

Theuns, really good looking H-34 there, great finish!

Tomcat, the Huey looks like a real challenge to whip into shape, but you are beating it bit by bit. Those seams and gaps – sheesh! Thank you SO MUCH for doing this build and making sure I never, ever buy this kit. Bet you will be happy when it is done though…

John, the Storch is a little beauty, got to be happy with that result.

Keavdog, the Osprey looks real big, it will be a monster when done.

Not like my little gyro. So far it has been slow as I finished off in another GB. First up I had to sand down the fuselage halves vacform style as there was a good half millimetre of flash built up on the bonding faces – which is interfering with the motor fit on the front.

That done, the fuselage had the limited interior installed. I added cushions and belts to the seats to give it a bit of interest.

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  • From: South west, PA
Posted by Tomcat on Tuesday, March 2, 2021 10:20 PM

Well I think I've beaten this thing into submission. It is all put together and masked off, ready for a primer coat before final color...

I think it will be all down hill from here. Which means the decals will be a big PITA. Sad

Mark aka Tomcat

On the workbench: Monogram 1/24 '69 Pontiac GTO and a Monogram 1/67 (box scale) B-26 Invader

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, March 1, 2021 11:15 AM

So sorry I'm a little late responding here. I don't get notification right now and my weekend was jamed with the Akagi build.

So Here we go.

TAD, you got it. I'll get you down.

K Dog, I know how you feel. I still need to finish my half built F-35B

John, that fella's comming right along. Sand, repeat.

Tomcat, now I remember why I only built it once! I was just a wee lad then but still was disapointed wit the fit. I tip my hat to those who can tame that beast.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Sunday, February 28, 2021 8:02 PM

I built that kit way back and forgot what a monster it is.  Soldier on

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Tomcat on Sunday, February 28, 2021 7:38 PM

jmoran426

Looks like you've had your share of problems with this kit, Tomcat. But being creative is what it's about. Your solution seems to have worked, and unless you hang it up, won't be noticed anyway. If you're insterested, here's a link to my kitbash of the Monogram UH-1C/Italeri UH-1D into a UH-1F: https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mate.php?id=28001&p=albums&album=42471#18 I had the same problems with the bottom seam of the cabin, and as noted before, trimmed the floor and rear bulkhead to fit in. I replaced the rear bulkhead with pieces from the Italeri kit, since I was putting the minigun ammo cans against the wall, and didn't want the curtains on the Monogram casting. There's quite a gap between the bulkhead and cabin sidewall, but wouldn't be seen because the open doors would be covering it. Since mine is an on-the-ground presentation, the pilots are not in the cockpit. The miniguns are from brass castings with brass ammo feed lines. The minigun mounts and frames are scratch-built.

 

Jmoran, I looked up your build and am very impressed. You've put a lot of effort and enginuity into that build and it shows. My hats off to you. Thanks to everyone with your words of encouragement. I'm afraid I'm going to need all of them as I am sad to report  have encountered more fit problems. Cementing the nose onto the cabin resulted in a lip where it joins the underside (no surprise). So more filling, filing and sanding. 

Next I dry fitted the underchin windows to the nose and found more holes. so I am adding styrene strip and bondo to close the gap...

I'll keep sanding edge of the "glass" so I can hopefully close that gap. Next I dry fitted the wind screen onto the front. Have a look at the pilot side near the lower left edge...

I think I have two options. Glue it in and live with it or I might try to put the glass into hot water, warm it up and carefully reshape the curve to better match the nose. I can just see what will happen then. It will either work (in which case I'll be tickled pink) or I've broken a wind screen (just my luck).

Now onto the roof. Here I dry fitted the roof. Notice the gap near the rotor shaft, even after adding styrene strip...

and lastly look at the side window near the top (where you can see the copilots helmet)...

The window is flush against the lower frame, yet it doesn't cover the entire opening. Does anyone know if the side windows roll down on these birds?

I don't know if this model is simply that bad, or I just happen to get a lemon or, more likely, it's simply a case of assembler error. At any rate I'll trudge along. I WILL finish this thing. What was the deadline for the GB?... Wish me luck. 

Mark aka Tomcat

On the workbench: Monogram 1/24 '69 Pontiac GTO and a Monogram 1/67 (box scale) B-26 Invader

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, February 27, 2021 12:33 AM

Thanks for the reprieve Steve.  I've got a lot of builds lined up. 

Thanks,

John

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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, February 27, 2021 12:15 AM

Once again the XFV-1 all in aluminum.  I think I have all the trouble spots in the base color fixed now.  Lots of corners on this one and I've abused the plastic a fair bit changing the shape in a number of places.  Just want you all to know I'm still on it.  Never mind the right tip tank, it will be grey.

http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/xfv1/0311xfv1.jpg

 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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  • From: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Friday, February 26, 2021 9:30 PM

Hey Steve! I see that this party runs until 31 DEC 21. Is there any way I could join in with a 1/48th scale Italeri MV 22 Osprey, with Black Dog flaps and details, and aftermarket decals? If I can get motivated, I may even try to complete a Monogram AV-8.......No work done on either kit as of yet. Thanks, TAD

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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  • From: Between LA and OC, SoCal
Posted by oortiz10 on Thursday, February 25, 2021 1:41 PM

modelcrazy

I'd like to see that Huey...

Oh, now that you've extended the deadline, you're practically daring me to wrestle that Huey!

Stick out tongue

-O

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by jmoran426 on Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:54 AM

Looks like you've had your share of problems with this kit, Tomcat. But being creative is what it's about. Your solution seems to have worked, and unless you hang it up, won't be noticed anyway. If you're insterested, here's a link to my kitbash of the Monogram UH-1C/Italeri UH-1D into a UH-1F: https://www.scalemates.com/profiles/mate.php?id=28001&p=albums&album=42471#18 I had the same problems with the bottom seam of the cabin, and as noted before, trimmed the floor and rear bulkhead to fit in. I replaced the rear bulkhead with pieces from the Italeri kit, since I was putting the minigun ammo cans against the wall, and didn't want the curtains on the Monogram casting. There's quite a gap between the bulkhead and cabin sidewall, but wouldn't be seen because the open doors would be covering it. Since mine is an on-the-ground presentation, the pilots are not in the cockpit. The miniguns are from brass castings with brass ammo feed lines. The minigun mounts and frames are scratch-built.

jmoran426

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:43 AM

I'm extending this build till the end of the year. New end date Dec 31.

So anyone who may be strugling to get one done can relax some, including me Embarrassed

Steve

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:07 PM

Excellent, Omar.  It looks just like the first one I saw back in 68 or so, at my guard facility.

 

I think the Monogram Huey is a pretty tough kit, but it may be better than the 1/72 Hasegawa UH-1D kit frrom days of yore.  Boy was I disappointed when I opened that box!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 3:33 PM

Another excelent finsih O. I'd like to see that Huey but You've done more than enough to earn a badge. That you for being a part and I hope to see you in another one of my GB's

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by oortiz10 on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:02 PM

modelcrazy

At the moment this GB doesn't have a finish date...If you wanted to enter your Huey, feel free...

Hey modelcrazy, I've been watching Tomcat's Huey build, and honestly, now I'm a little worried about building mine. That Huey does not look like an easy kit to tame. Tomcat, my hat's off to you. Like I said, I have a couple in my stash. I'm following your progress and taking notes. Keep it up! 

OK, so I wanted to present my finished Cobra to you all. This is my third (and final) submission for this GB. I won't bore you all with the build details since you've been following my progress all along, so I'll just go ahead and share the pictures...

Steve, thanks for hosting the GB. I've had a lot of fun! Feel free to use this photo for the Glory Shot:

Maybe, just maybe, I'll jump back in with my Huey(s).

Cheers!

-O

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:00 PM

That looks like a mold that is not only past its prime but also not that well designed.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 7:54 AM

Close enough for Government work TC. I forgot how bad some of those seams are. Good work.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by Tomcat on Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:27 PM

I've gotten some progress made on the Huey. I last left off cementing the two fuselage halves together that left a really bad seam underneath...

on the right side I really slathered on some gel superglue. I didn't want this thing popping open at some point. After some strip styrene and some bondo (ie Tamiya seam filler) and alot of filing and sanding it reached this point...

I finished the pilot and co-pilot. I had to add them now. Because after adding the nose and roof it would be impossible to add them later although I don't like adding figures until the end...

I worked on the side mounted weapons systems (ie rocket launcher and machine guns) when I ran into a problem. One of the machine gun mounting pylons or brackets if you prefer was either missing or lost, so I came up with a substitute that isn't too far off. Well, at least for me anyway...

The kit part is obviously on the bottom. The Papermate pen suppiled the replacement.

Here are the two after surgery and filing...

Close enough I guess. Now to add the nose and roof. With all of the fit problems I'm having, that ought to be fun. Till next time.

 

Mark aka Tomcat

On the workbench: Monogram 1/24 '69 Pontiac GTO and a Monogram 1/67 (box scale) B-26 Invader

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:00 PM

I like those happy accidents O. I sometimes find a new technique that way. I'm with ith Chris, that stinger probably looks better than the kit part. You're one of the best scratchbuilders I've seen on the forums.

I'm looking forward to seeing the finish.

At the moment this GB doesn't have a finish date. But I think I'll close it at the end of the year. That should give me time to finish my own entry Huh? I you wanted to enter your Huey, feel free. Wink

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by oortiz10 on Sunday, February 21, 2021 7:22 PM

TheMongoose

Looking good -O...Are you going to do some heavy weathering on this or just some basic wear and tear?

 

 
Thanks 'goose. I'm just going to go with some basic wear and tear. You know, the operation not neglected look. As a matter of fact, I had a happy accident with my flat coat. I'll tell you more about it in my final post.
 
Cheers!
-O

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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