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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:11 PM

The history of the Tirpitz hasn't been something I've followed, FWIW.

I have read a bit about the X craft attacks, the Tall Boy bombs, and I've read about the Norwegian operation.

The germans did not do well, only really prevailed after the British became engaged on multiple fronts.

I would ask if some of this camouflage was nets, organic stuff etc.

If the DKM had concentrated resources on u boats as opposed to surface units, the war might have gone differently.

Good thing they didn't.

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:45 PM

GM you bring up an interesting point. I had found some good shots at the Imperial War Museum online just recently. They had a couple showing how they camouflaged with local trees and foliage. I also read an interesting article about how they sprayed the area with a chemical to create fog and hide themselves. 70 years later they have been able to identify how it stopped the tree growth in the area. There are actually no rings in the trees for this time period. Crazy nasty *** they did in WWI & II. Here's the 2 good pics I found at IWM

In the pattern: TIRPITZ, the Tamiya 1/350th version.

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Friday, September 11, 2020 5:48 PM

I now have room on the workbench to start my entry into this groupbuild.  Here she is ICM SMS Kronprinz Battleship 1/350. 

ICM Kronprinz

I did purchase some upgrades such as P.E., brass barrels and brass mast and yardarms.

Marcus Beer

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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, September 12, 2020 6:13 AM

I'm using the Eduard set.  The instructions show a piece, like a hatch or rail but there is no piece that I can find.  For now I'm crossing of the picctures that finish and circling the areas not done .

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:00 AM

Chris, Yes I believe yocan thin MM and blend. I would do that with complex Italian and German AC when all I had as a large AB needle and could'nt get precise.

Bish, sorry for the late reply. Yes, I believe the Pontos kit comes with a wood deck. Belive it or not I've never worked with Pontos stuff.

Ikar, looking forward to that Spee. I have the same kit.

Bill, I didn't know anything about this phase of the Tirpitz either. Funny how hosting GB's make me learn more as I research something a member wants to build.

Marcus, excelent!

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:52 PM

Steve, i haven't use any of their sets either, but then i don't build as many ships as some of you guys. But i have looked at some of their sets when considering what i should get for my kits.

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On the bench: Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:54 PM

Some very nice paint work on that Mongoose.

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On the bench: Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat

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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:57 PM

Hopefully tomorrow I'll get some pictures posted.  I have some sub assemblies ready to paint, then I'll start with the laders and mounting to the deck.

One thing I'm not sure about is the water line placement.  since the hull is seperated for a waterline project if wanted, I would think that the black line would go on the upper piece of the hull.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:40 PM

ikar01

Hopefully tomorrow I'll get some pictures posted.  I have some sub assemblies ready to paint, then I'll start with the laders and mounting to the deck.

One thing I'm not sure about is the water line placement.  since the hull is seperated for a waterline project if wanted, I would think that the black line would go on the upper piece of the hull.

 

on mine i checked period photos and found 1/2 tp 1/3 of the black boot stripe showing. 

In the pattern: TIRPITZ, the Tamiya 1/350th version.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:52 AM

I agree with Mongoose. The boot topping should be on both halfs. Possably 50/50. The Germans typically had wider stripes than the RN or USN. I don't know the exact measurements for the Spee.

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Posted by Dodgy on Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:16 AM

Ok Admiral, i'd like to have a crack at this. My entries will be a Revell 1/72 U Boat and a 1/700?, (will have to check that), Revell SMS Emden.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, September 13, 2020 3:21 AM

Which U-Boat kit have you got Dodgy?

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, September 13, 2020 8:45 PM

I got you down Dodgy. The Emden id a 1/350 I believe and like Bish said, which U-boat is that?

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, September 14, 2020 9:35 AM

Forgot to ask, just how thick is the waterline stripe?  I looked at the instructions and there is nothing there about it that I could find.  It just maybe with my eye problems that i misssed it but who knows.

 

Here's a question, in the movie Sound of Music, Capt Von Trapp is given command of a ship.  Does anyone know what type of ship it would have been?

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, September 14, 2020 10:06 AM

Well the movie has a lot of small inaccuracies, but he commanded submarines in the Austro-Hungarian Navy in WW1.

IIRC he's ordered to report to Bremerhaven. In reality I think it was more like an offer, as he was an Austrian citizen.

And the family took the train to Italy in plain view.

I don't read up on DKM. A boot topping in the USN would extend from unladen waterline to fully laden, and on a bigger ship like Spee it could be 2 meters tall.

By tall, that's the true vertical distance. The actual width of the stripe would vary according to the slope of the side of the ship.

 

Bill

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, September 14, 2020 1:18 PM

Thanks for the information, I'll go with the 2 meter width.

In the movie when he received his telegram I think he said it was an order and he got the notice after the takeover.

My family is from Germany and Austria.  I'm not sure where in Germany but the last of the family left Austria after the assination.  After WWI the family land became part of Italy but still retains the family name, now called Monte Baldo and appears to cover a rather large area of tghe mountains.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, September 14, 2020 1:37 PM

He was a balding, round guy with glasses and a sweet personality. Maria was a classic, a big blonde the kind you'd have hand you a liter of bier.

She always said that they weren't in love, but she loved the kids and he loved her for that.

If you need any help marking the boot stripe I'd be glad to explain how I do it.

 

Bill

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Monday, September 14, 2020 9:01 PM

Just a quick update on SMS Kronprinz build.  As with any new ship build time was taken to clean up the hull and test fit the decks.

Add some detail to the hull and cut out openings for the torpedo tubes, 2 each on the port and starboard sides and one at the bow.

The plastic in this kit is very soft and there is no bracing for the hull to stiffen it also the decking is very flimsy so I braced the two main decks with sytrene I beams to stiffen up the hull and support the weight of the superstructures.

So after all of that I decided to give myself a treat so I assemble the main turrets enough to add the brass barrels.

Next step is paint the decks that are covered with planking and then the hull.  Until next time

Marcus Beer

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, September 14, 2020 9:03 PM

Sorry, you are absolutely correct on the Emden. I actually have two U Boats, both are Revell, although one is an Advent marked kit. The Advent kit is listed as U99. The Revell marked kit is U47 and is the cutaway version. Neither kit has a scale and both are advertised as being 21 inches long. Very old beasts, so will probably require some correctional work. I might build both at the same time as I will be using basicaly the same colours.

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, September 14, 2020 9:08 PM

The old Revell kit out of the Ark. The U47 cutaway version.

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, September 14, 2020 9:13 PM

Sounds like they are in the neighborhood of 1/144.

Gatos were about 100 ft longer, and at that scale are about 24 inches

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Posted by Dodgy on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:51 AM

Thanks Goldhammer, I haven't seen them in a few years and for some reason I thought they were 1/72. Don't know why. Put it down to old age and too many glue fumes............. Its good though, for the two builds I have commited to, I'm using whats in the stash. The wife is happy!

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:43 AM

The U-99 kit is 125th, the Advent kit is a re-box of the Revell. I built that a few years back as a practice for the 72nd kit.

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On the bench: Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:23 AM

Good start on the Kornprinz Marcus.

Dodgy I have it down.

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:55 AM

modelcrazy

Good start on the Kornprinz Marcus.

Modelcrazy,

Thank you and thanks for looking in.

Marcus Beer

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:17 PM

ikar01

My family is from Germany and Austria.  I'm not sure where in Germany but the last of the family left Austria after the assination.  After WWI the family land became part of Italy but still retains the family name, now called Monte Baldo and appears to cover a rather large area of tghe mountains.

Von Trapp was born in Dalmatia, now a part of Croatia. If you ever can get to Dubrovnic; do.

Your ship, the Graf Spee, is named after the commander of the German East Asia Squadron, where the battle of Coronel was won but the Battle of the Falkland Islands three weeks later in December 1914 cost the squadron all of it's ships except Leipzig, and Spee and his two sons were KIA.

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:08 AM

Cool history, you're a plethora of knowledge GM!

on my end the painting is all done. Detail work left and final gluing of weapons to go. Then I can get into some mild weathering and finishing up the base. Here's 2 test shots in my "Fjord" -



Does anyone have some pics of how they tied off to the mooring? I have some pics of the Tirpitz and in the one below it looks like there is something between the ship and piling. Not the clearest shot but pretty good for the time period. I know it's not a rubber bumper Big Smile lol

In the pattern: TIRPITZ, the Tamiya 1/350th version.

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 6:25 AM

Sorry about the confusion Bish. Its been so long since I delved into the stash that I had for some reason thought that it was a much larger scale than it was. Was also surprised to find that I had two of them. Thats a fine looking model you built, is there a chance of posting more pics? I find pics of other peoples models a great source of stimulation for my own projects.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 6:38 AM

These are the only other 2 completed pics i have of the U-99. I built it for Steve's Sub warfare GB 3 years ago.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

On the bench: Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat

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  • From: San Antonio, Texas
Posted by Marcus McBean on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:27 AM

Mongoose,

Your camo work is wonderful, really bends in with the background.  Are you planning to camoflage the upper works also?

Marcus Beer

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