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Posted by cbaltrin on Sunday, December 13, 2020 7:19 PM

Sign me up. Not sure what im building yet.

On the Bench:

  • Italeri F-100D 1/72
  • Monogram 1/72 F-4J
  • Revel 1/72 HH-3 Jolly Green Giant
  • Monogram P-47D
  • Monogram F-14A
  • Monogram P-51D
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Posted by lewbud on Monday, December 14, 2020 12:32 AM

I apologize for falling down on my leaderly duties by neglecting to update the front page in a timely fashion. 

razor, John, cbaltrin,

Welcome aboard! John and razor's builds definitely fall under the"And now, for something completely different." category.  The stuff of the interwar period where they were trying to figure things out is always interesting to see. cbaltrin, we look forward to your build as well.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:13 AM

bumpity bump bump bumpity bump look at Frosty go....

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by fotofrank on Monday, December 21, 2020 8:52 AM

Are we there yet?

OK. On the bench: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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Posted by lewbud on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 1:16 AM

Almost.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by learmech64 on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 7:37 AM

Ill give it go. Will be a A-10 of either Tamiya 1/48 or Trumpeter 1/32, i havent decided yet.

 

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Posted by lewbud on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 8:23 PM

learmech,

Welcome aboard!

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by oortiz10 on Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:47 PM

Hey gang, I think I'll get in on this one. I don't have a subject yet, but since crossovers are allowed, I'm going to see if I have something in the stash that will kill two birds at the same time. I'll let y'all know as soon as I have a subject.

Cheers!

-O

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, December 27, 2020 3:09 AM

oortiz10,

Welcome aboard!  I've got you on the list and the front page is updated.  Man there are a lot of Devastators being built for this.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by cbaltrin on Monday, December 28, 2020 7:08 AM

Lewbud,  Reserving the right to change my mind and maintaining plausible deniability, pencil me in for a Monogram Skyraider.

On the Bench:

  • Italeri F-100D 1/72
  • Monogram 1/72 F-4J
  • Revel 1/72 HH-3 Jolly Green Giant
  • Monogram P-47D
  • Monogram F-14A
  • Monogram P-51D
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  • From: Hatboro, PA
Posted by Justinryan215 on Monday, December 28, 2020 11:48 AM

So, I am torn between The 1/48th Revell A-6 Intruder or the 1/48th Revell A10.

I am planning one for this build and the other for the Desert Storm group build.....

 

Tell me which you guys would rather see here!!!

 

lol

 

Justin

"...failure to do anything because someone else can do better makes us rather dull and lazy..."

Mortal as I am,I know that I am born for a day.  But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the Earth...

 

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:46 PM

I know it does not begin for a couple more days, but I am posting data on my build now in anticipation of hitting the ground running. I am also building this on the aircraft forum and the Vietnam GB too. I suppose you could call that multi purpose building (?). Here goes.....


HISTORY: FAIRCHILD AC-119: (From Wikipedia)

The Fairchild AC-119G Shadow and AC-119K Stinger were twin-engine piston-powered gunships developed by the United States during the Vietnam War. They replaced the Douglas AC-47 Spooky and operated alongside the early versions of the AC-130 Spectre gunship. In February 1968, under the USAF program Project Gunship III, 26 C-119Gs were converted to AC-119G standard, initially taking on the name "Creep", but later assigned the callsign "Shadow".

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In addition, Fairchild-Hiller, which was contracted for all the conversions, converted another 26 C-119Gs into AC-119Ks, primarily for the "truck hunter" role over the Ho Chi Minh Trail. These aircraft were called "Stingers" primarily in reference to the two M61 Vulcan 20-mm cannons they carried in addition to the AC-119G's four GAU-2/A miniguns. The AC-119K could be visually distinguished by the addition of two General Electric J85 turbojet engines in underwing pods. 

Project Gunship III, being a follow-on to the success of the AC-130 series, meant that the AC-119 was a more advanced aircraft in both its iterations than the AC-47. Even the TIC AC-119G featured some of the most up-to-date electronic countermeasures and radar equipment, as well as more basic technology, including an AVQ-8 xenon light, a night observation sight, and an LAU-74/A flare launcher. The AC-119K, designed to hit trucks on the Ho Chi Minh Trail, was even more advanced. Included in the conversion was the AN/APN-147 Doppler navigation radar, AN/AAD-4 forward looking infrared, AN/APQ-133 side-looking beacon tracking radar and AN/APQ-136 search radar.

Actual aircraft photos:
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The photo below shows the guns in a AC-47, but they are very similar.

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 6 (day), 8 (night)
Length: 86 ft 5.75 in (26.3589 m)
Wingspan: 109 ft 3.25 in (33.3058 m)
Height: 26 ft 7.75 in (8.1217 m)
Wing area: 1,400 sq ft (130 m2)
Airfoil: root: NACA 2418; tip: NACA 4409[4]
Empty weight: 40,125 lb (18,200 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 62,000 lb (28,123 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Wright R-3350-85 Duplex-Cyclone 18-cylinder air-cooled radial piston engines, 2,500 hp (1,900 kW) each for take-off
Propellers: 4-bladed constant-speed fully-feathering reversible-pitch propellers

Performance:

Maximum speed: 180 kn (210 mph, 330 km/h)
Cruise speed: 130 kn (150 mph, 240 km/h)
Range: 1,680 nmi (1,930 mi, 3,110 km)
Service ceiling: 23,300 ft (7,100 m)

Armament:

4× GAU-2/A 7.62 mm (0.30 in) miniguns, 1,500 rounds/gun
2× M61 Vulcan 20 mm (0.787 in) 6-barreled Gatling cannon (AC-119K variant only)
60× Mk 24 flares in a LAU-74/A flare launcher

SCALE MODEL:

This kit was originally produced in 1985 as a 1/72 transport version by Italeri. To extend the life of the product, the kit was reboxed with some added parts to make the gunship variant and sold in 1987. Later in the models life it was repackaged under the Testers brand. 

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Molded in black styrene, this kit is presented on five parts trees plus a single tree of clear parts. At its time of molding it was considered a highly detailed model featuring fine raised surface detailing. It also has the regular ejection pin marks throughout the kit that was found during that era. While some parts feature crisp separations and angles, other parts show flash, dimples, and pour over from the mold. All of the wing and tail control surfaces are molded with the main assemblies in the neutral (straight position). The main parts have male and female locator pins to ensure proper alignment. The majority of the detail are in the cockpit and internal fuselage gun area. Unfortunately, most of that detail will not be seen once the airframe is closed up. The rear clamshell doors can be positioned in the open or closed position. Detail on the two Wright R-3350-85 Duplex-Cyclone 18-cylinder air-cooled radial piston engines is very minimal and includes a half molded image of the rear cylinder bank on the bulkhead a prop shaft and the front bank of the pistons showing minimal shape or detail. 

The added parts of the "Stinger" gunship conversion include the Forward Look Infra-red sensor (lower left front of the fuselage), An/APQ-133 Beacon Tracking Radar (left rear of fuselage), smoke evacuation scoops in the close position (just behind the front door), the Night Observation Sight (NOS) (in the front door), the Illumanator (left rear clamshell), the Flare Launcher (right clamshell), 2- 20mm guns, and 4- 7.62mm rotary machine guns.

What it is missing to make the cargo bay complete would be the 7.62 and 20mm ammunition storage bins, auxiliary power unit, illuminator and fir system controls/computers, etc.

Kit instructions are typical for the scale and period. They are shown in the exploded view with an arrow showing the assembly point. Unlike some models of the period, the kit do not have any detailed written instructions but it does call out the part and the suggested paint code with a model master paint ledger on the 1st page.  

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Decals for the kit are:

AC-119K, 53-3154, 18 SOS, Phan Rang AB, 1968, 'Pea-Nut Special'
AC-119K, 52-9982, 18 SOS, Nha Trang AB, 1968, 'The Super Sow'

When looking at this model and checking various sources as to what is available to super detail it, there is really little to nothing out there in the after-market suppliers specific to the AC-119G or K model. I found metal replacement landing gear if you are building it on the ground but that's about it. I should note that there was once a complete decal sheet for the AC-119G/K in 1/72. It was available at one time by AOA decals and had the tail number and graphics for 14 different aircraft. Every source to include the manufacturers site indicate they are sold out. There are a limited supply of the regular boxcar transport decals available at various sources if some of the aircraft stencils would be needed. I also believe a hand full of the 1/72 stencils for an AC-130 could be sourced to fill in the ones not provided in the kit (?). There are some items available for the 1/72 AC-47 or AC-130 that could be used to detail the build such as resin or brass replacement guns, etc.

Here is what comes in the kit:

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Another thing, the kit has no figures. This means if I want to build the gunship in flight I will need to source four seated figures for the cockpit and possibly two to four more for the cargo/gun bay. At one time Hasegawa made a pilot and ground crew set in 1/72 that just might fit the need for figures perfectly (?). And "yes", I am planning on building mine in flight.

For those who really like this aircraft, I also noticed that Roden makes it in 1/144 and some time ago Aurora models made the cargo version with a jeep and howitzer in 1/77 scale.

MODIFICATIONS TO FOLLOW:

INTERNALLY:

Considering the size of the openings and windows, I've decided on adding some extra details within the fuselage but nothing too crazy. My goal it to provide enough details to look credible. 

Some things I have prepared to work on internally are the Auxilliary Power Unit (APU), the 20mm and 7.62 ammunition storage racks, the Fire Control perphials, etc. In the second photo you can also see the fuselage reinforced bracing for the wing assembly just inside the window, I plan on adding that too. 

I also plan on adding ammo intake belts and the shell casing/clip discharge chutes (and possibly catch cans for the brass?). The last items I plan on adding to the gun area will be a few people and perhaps the smoke evacuation lanyard to the top of the cargo bay roof.

(AC-47 photo, but guns are very similar)

As for the 20mm guns, I see partial photos showing a trough below and to the rear of the gun motor/breach assembly. I need to locate more details photos of these guns to see if I need to make those for the discharge tray of the shell casings.

AC-119 gun bay:

EXTERNALLY:

I have started thinking about some details missing on the model such as the small air intakes above the 7.62mm gun windows. They will be added along with the hose inside the fuselage to represent the cooling vents for the gun motor / breach areas.

The kits 7.62 mini-guns, specifically the gun barrels are OK but not well detailed. To solve that I've ordered some resin replacement which provide great depth of detail which I hope can be seen externally. 

The intake and exhaust for the APU will also be added below the right wing on the fuselage. There may be more "things" to add to the external build process, but nothing of note just yet. 

COCKPIT:

The cockpit will be mostly OOB with the exception of the pilots and perhaps the anti-glare blinds for the top fuselage windows. 

ENGINES:

I mentioned in the review that they are very basic. Instead of searching for some after-market replacement, I am going to try to add just a little detail that will be visible in the opening behind the propeller. I noticed that the kit provides the updated props and not like those found on the earlier G or early K's. The kit does not come with any stencils for the props or the external fuselage. I have a limited amount in my spares but have also orders prop stencils. 

And the count down begins.....

Ben

I am a Veteran; to all other Veterans thank you for your service. Retired now and living well

PROJECTS:

- 1/48 RAH-66 Comanche - WIP

- 1/350 USS Alabama (GB) - DONE

- 1/16 1910 Thomas Flyer - DONE

- 1/78 AC-119 Stinger Gunship (GB) - DONE

 

 

 

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Posted by lewbud on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:53 PM

Drums,

Really looking forward to watching this build.

JustinRyan,

You could always do both.Whistling

 

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 2:31 PM

The A-6 Intruder gets my vote for this GB, and the A-10 for the sand box build.

Ben

I am a Veteran; to all other Veterans thank you for your service. Retired now and living well

PROJECTS:

- 1/48 RAH-66 Comanche - WIP

- 1/350 USS Alabama (GB) - DONE

- 1/16 1910 Thomas Flyer - DONE

- 1/78 AC-119 Stinger Gunship (GB) - DONE

 

 

 

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  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Thursday, December 31, 2020 2:17 PM

Here's where I start tomorrow. The old Monogram F9F kit. All the supplies are on hand. Just need to see the green flag. Haven't built a jet in a while so this should be fun. A Panther of VMF-311. I have an Aurora display stand so I'll probably pose it in flight. Jets just look better in flight instead of parked. BTW: I have "Men of the Fighting Lady" on DVR, so I'll watch the movie while I do this build.

OK. On the bench: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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Posted by 68GT on Friday, January 1, 2021 10:54 AM

So I mentioned the Academy A-10.

I also have this Ju87A conversion that's been looking at me for a while. It's an older Airfix 1/72 kit and the conversion has vacuum formed parts and is by Airframe.  Looks quite old.

On Ed's bench, ???

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, January 1, 2021 11:58 AM

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by fotofrank on Friday, January 1, 2021 3:12 PM

The plastic on this old Monogram F9F (1990) is kinda brittle. Hafta be careful. Already lost one part to breakage and the Carpet Monster.

OK. On the bench: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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Posted by bobbaily on Friday, January 1, 2021 3:21 PM

Lewbud-would a bf-109e Jabo qualify as Close Air Support?  I'm thinking something from the Russian front?  If not, no problem-I've got plenty of kits that would qualify if not.

Thanks

bob

 

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Posted by oortiz10 on Friday, January 1, 2021 4:46 PM

OK CAS fiends, I have made a decision and...um...decided on what I'm going to build. I'm going to jump in with 2 helos. I'm going to build a AH-1G and a -J. The -J will be a crossover from the First Gulf War 30th Anniversary GB going on at the same time.

I have kitbashed Fujimi's -J and -S into a USMC -G before.

This time, the kitbash will create an Army -G from the Vietnam era. I haven't decided on markings yet, but it will probably be a boring OD bird. The -J will most likely be built up as a gray camo bird, like one from either HMA-773 or 775.

I have been planning on building all the USMC Cobra variants. So far I have the -G and the AH-1Z demonstrator (AH-1(4B)W) done. After this, I'll still need a -T, -W, and -Z, which I happen to already have in the stash.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to getting started.

Happy modeling!

-O

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:19 AM

Got the test fit done for all of the major structures this morning.  The fit is surprisingly good so far for a Trumpeter kit, but the panel line alignment of the fuselage halves is staggered.  Most are dead on, but a few are offset one direction, and a few the opposite direction.  They're close enough though that I think I can make an acceptable correction just by making those panel lines a little wider.  Almost 900 pieces in this box!!!  YIKES!  Most of that is ordnance and ordnance-carrying structures.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, January 2, 2021 12:13 PM

bobbaily

Lewbud-would a bf-109e Jabo qualify as Close Air Support?  I'm thinking something from the Russian front?  If not, no problem-I've got plenty of kits that would qualify if not.

Thanks

 

 

Absolutely. Go for it.

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Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, January 2, 2021 6:31 PM

Thank you Lewbud-sign me up for a 1/48 Hasegawa bf109E-4/7 Jabo.

bob

 

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Posted by oortiz10 on Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:51 PM

OK CASers, I got started on my AH-1G. I've kitbashed one before, so I knew what I was up against. This time, I decided to start with the hard stuff. I scratched the M28 turret, cut up the doghouse to fit the rounded canopy, and tried my best on a set of Fireball PE XM-158 launchers (cringe).

I started with the easiest and worked my way up to the most difficult. First thing done was the chin turret. I used the existing opening to create a template on tape, then cut out the second opening. I used some styrene sheet, various pieces of rod, and a spare minigun for the assembly.

In the second picture, everything is just "dry-fitted" together.

Next came the dog house. Funny, it scarier doing it this second time than it was doing it blindly the first time!

Not perfect but pretty darn close. The port side will need a little more TLC than the starboard side.

Next were the rocket launchers, which I have no idea how they ended up in my stash. Anyway, I've never worked with PE before. The most PE/resin I've used is a seat in a single-seat fighter or some wheels. I have to admit, I was pretty intimidated. 

They're not perfect, but I think I can hide a few of the imperfections under some paint and weathering.

Anyway, now that the "hard" stuff is behind me, I can focus on the "easy" stuff. I still need to address the kit's horrible exhaust, but I already know how I'm going to handle that. 

Thanks for looking! Comments, criticisms, and questions are welcome. Stay tuned for updates on the -G and the upcoming AH-1J.

Cheers!

-O

 

-It's Omar, but they call me "O".

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:20 PM

That is a rteally nice start oortiz10, looking forward to seeing more of your work.

DRUMS01

I am a Veteran; to all other Veterans thank you for your service. Retired now and living well

PROJECTS:

- 1/48 RAH-66 Comanche - WIP

- 1/350 USS Alabama (GB) - DONE

- 1/16 1910 Thomas Flyer - DONE

- 1/78 AC-119 Stinger Gunship (GB) - DONE

 

 

 

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:27 PM

Time for an update, actually I have spent the majority of the time researching many little things. While some turned out to be nothing that would be added, others represent small details, mostly external. As I said previously, I am not going to go crazy and super detail everything, rather focus on what will be visible. Of course, none of this would be possible without the help of my little man (my special needs son, Jarrod).

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OK, here we go... first thing will be adding scratchbuilt cooling vents for the 4× GAU-2/A 7.62 mm (0.30 in) miniguns. According to the photos I could locate, they are visible just above the window openings (above the guns).

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After two attempts with plastic I have what I am going to use with soft aluminum. It is as easy as bending the extruded hollow aluminum tube 90 degrees, cutting it flush at the angle, sanding it semi-flat on the side going against the fuselage, cut to length, glue on fuselage, and repeat three more times. They looked OK when making them but now perhaps they are a little too long and even too large when compared to the photos(?). I may fix that.....

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As you can see on some of the previous photos I've also added some of the kit on the fuselage to include the AN/APQ-133 side-looking beacon tracking radar and AN/APQ-136 search radar. There were minor gaps and sink marks that were corrected with Tamiya putty.

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During the same period I also added the smoke evacuation scoops on both sides of the fuselage (the come in the closed position). While adding these items I was thinking about just how much or little I was going to add to the cargo area to "fill in" what was not provided with the kit, such as the APU, Fire Control Computer, 20mm Ammo Container, and the 7.62 Ammo Storage Rack, and the control panel for the illuminator. I have already decided to make the APU unit since it could be seen behind the NOS through the front door of the cargo bay (on the opposite side of the cargo bay). That means it would need the intake and exhaust ports on the right side of the fuselage too. Here is the intake vent for the APU (I've also added the exhaust port using brass since the photo):

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While that sounds like a lot of stuff to make from scratch, I am looking through the windows and doors and can see quite a bit, even if the clamshell doors are closed and she is in flight. So I said, "why not", and started on some of the cargo bay auxiliary equipment. While some of it comes from photos and drawings, there was a little artistic expression added too because of a lack of pictures for certian items.

Here is the pile of things made so far:
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And this is how I plan on adding them (still much more to do):
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Given the scale, many of the kit parts are basic. For example, the rear booms are only two pieces and the central rear wing (?) only two. Initially I was going to remove the control surfaces to pose them. I still may, but I'm not sure just yet. 
So far they were cleaned up, assembled, then set aside.

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Likewise, the main wing spar was a total of seven parts which were put together and awaiting final assembly to the fuselage and main wings. In this photo the engine cowlings are not yet attached, just fitted.

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It may not look like much just yet, but I hope it will be the "bees knees" or at least somewhat convincing once painted and added inside the cargo area. 

I've also ordered pilots and crew, new mini-gun barrels, as well as other decals that might be repurposed for this kit. 

More next update, till then....

Ben

I am a Veteran; to all other Veterans thank you for your service. Retired now and living well

PROJECTS:

- 1/48 RAH-66 Comanche - WIP

- 1/350 USS Alabama (GB) - DONE

- 1/16 1910 Thomas Flyer - DONE

- 1/78 AC-119 Stinger Gunship (GB) - DONE

 

 

 

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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:38 AM

Here's the box art and the kit contents for my entry, the Curtiss A-18 Shrike II.  You get two pages of instructions, but take a look, they are identical.  No, I didn't mess up, I couldn't believe it when I was setting up the images and double checked, that's the way it is.  The resin looks pretty good, completely unlike a 1/48 LF Models YP-37 kit I have.

 

 

 

 

 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 5:55 AM

After waffling back and forth between the stock cockpit and the Aires cockpit, I think I'm going with the Aires cockpit because it looks so much better than stock.  Some of the finer details are a little fuzzy, but I think a coat of primer and paint will smooth it out.  Working on adapting the Quinta Studio 3D decals to fit, since they were designed for the stock cockpit.  Started cutting up the Aires instrument panel to modify it so it looks like the modified panel that the Su-25M1 has.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:37 AM

John, that Shrike looks very similar a Ki-45 Nick. 

EC, excelent looking IP.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by fotofrank on Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:41 PM

Decided to pose the Panther on a carrier deck, so I added fishing weights and epoxy in the nose.

OK. On the bench: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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