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  • Member since
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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, January 18, 2021 4:47 PM

Frank & John: Those are both coming along great!!!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, January 18, 2021 8:07 PM

A few more steps on the Wellesley, some filling of wing seams with Aves Epoxyclay, and the elevators have been separated from the stabilizers, reset at a down angle, and installed on the fuselage.  Epoxyclay was used to smooth out and shape the stabilizer/elevator hinge line.  This kit is made out of very hard plastic, thread was not equal to cutting the tailplanes apart, had to use the JLC saw and an Exacto knife on these.

 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, January 18, 2021 8:24 PM

John: Nice work. The cut stabs came out really well. Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:26 PM

Well, since the Hasegawa Spitfire Mk VIII has moved out to the paint bench, I was going to start the ARII Mk VIII. The kit only cost me a dollar at a show. I shoulda looked in the box first. Some vital parts are missing. Oh well. On to the next kit.

OK. On the bench: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:11 PM

Eagle90. its a good kit, but with mine had some trouble with the prop.

John. looks good so far. You got the bull by the horns now !

Foto Frank.looks real good from here.

My latest pics closed up more seams and the fueling things? on the underside waiting on other RAF decals for this hold off on primering for  now.

 .Nick

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:20 PM

fotofrank

Well, since the Hasegawa Spitfire Mk VIII has moved out to the paint bench, I was going to start the ARII Mk VIII. The kit only cost me a dollar at a show. I shoulda looked in the box first. Some vital parts are missing. Oh well. On to the next kit.

 

I know that feeling frank. guess it could come in handy for spares.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:20 PM

Coming on nicely there Nick.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 3:22 PM

Looks like your getting to grips with the Wellesley John. Its looks like hard plastic just from the pictures.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, January 21, 2021 11:25 AM

Nick: Oh cool, she's starting to really look like a jet liner now! 

Frank: What parts are you missing? I can check my spare parts box, not sure I'd have what you need but you never know. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Thursday, January 21, 2021 12:52 PM
Everybody's stuff is moving along nicely,still got a couple in queue before getting started Frank,I got the masks you recommended looking forward to seeing your painting

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, January 21, 2021 7:33 PM

Both sets of my decals came in. Still not sure which one I'm going to use.

I didn't notice that LostAgain wasn't starting the RAAF GB until March 1st so I'm going to halt work here until then.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Florida-West Central
Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:17 PM

Sorry for the delays in the pics.  Got busy at work.  Here are some pics from the past couple of days.  I should be done with it today!  Enjoy!

 

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:41 PM

Gamera, i like Hava Go Jo.

The RAAF GB starts on the 31st March. But i am sure you can find plenty to do until then.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:42 PM

Coming on nicely there Bobby, you have made quick work of that.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Saturday, January 23, 2021 5:32 PM

Nice looking spitfire and the prop looks better then mine too

 .Nick

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  • From: Florida-West Central
Posted by Eagle90 on Saturday, January 23, 2021 7:34 PM

Thank you guys!  This was a fun kit to build.  It had a few fit issues but nothing bad and the sheme was fun to do.  Here it is all finished!  Bish....thank you so much for hosting yet another great GB!  I look forward to doing the Mess. GB next!  I leave the final pic for posting up to you sir.  Enjoy!

 

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  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, January 23, 2021 9:58 PM

I'm in a holding pattern with the Wellesley until the resin engine and the vac canopy set arrive, but I was looking in the box and saw that the instrument panel was still in it.  Well, that's good because it's better than it being lost, but I had already glued the fuselage together.  So I had to do what you see in the picture below.  It's all back together now, but sheesh...Oops

 

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.htm

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:12 AM

Nicely done Bobby, and first to finish. Thats a good looking build there, and nice to seeing you trying out a base. Cheers mate.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:14 AM

Thats was lucky John, at least you only had to remove a small piece.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, January 24, 2021 10:47 AM

Good looking build Bobbie! The Spit has such great lines, Don't care for the cliped wing version though.

John, I've never done that before Confused That happened with my Swordfish build. I spent hours and lost much hair trying to get the IP set through the nose Tongue Tied

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:05 PM

Bobby: That's some fine lookin' work!!! Kudos sir!!!

John: I know the feeling there. The F-51D I did for John 3:16's Korean War GB I'd cemented the wings together and THEN noticed I needed to drill out the rocket mounting holes from the inside. So I carefully pried them back apart. Thankfully they only broke at one point.

Bish: Thanks! Will take that under consideration. Piers already corrected me on the date, I'm getting more and more horrible about remembering dates for stuff... (sigh).

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Monday, January 25, 2021 2:45 PM

Having nice weather this week so time to paint. Shot primer on the Spit Mk VIII this morning and all the various fiddley parts as well. Used Model Master gray enamel primer thinned 2/1. It'll sit for a day before I do some pre-shading then on to the BoB camouflage.

OK. On the bench: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 25, 2021 3:00 PM

Looking good frank.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

On the bench: Italeri 1/72nd Bell 212/Revell 1/72nd Type VIIc U-Boat/Trumpeter 1/32nd Me 262A-1a

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Monday, January 25, 2021 4:06 PM

I am having difficulty identifying some of the Vallejo colors to use on my Spitfire Mk-IIa. I was able to identify the Dark Earth Brown and Dark Green, but the two shades of light blue have me confused.

The first picture below is from my Eduards instruction booklet that shows what color to use for the band of light blue at the rear of the fuselage. It is 'Light Bluegreen, H417, C117 and MMP 051' The other light blue color is used underneath the wings and fuselage. It is 'Sky, H74, C368, MMP 080'.

I am not familiar with Eduards color codes, can someone help me identify the correct Vallejo match for the two light blue colors?

Below is the color chart from my Vallejo paint set. It has two options for underneath the wings and fuselage. Either 'Eau Nil "D.E. Green" or Duck Egg Blue'. Duck Egg Blue is Vallejo #71.404, and it is only available in their paint set. I have Vallejo #71.302 Sky Type S which looks similar, but I am not sure it is the same as Duck Egg Blue.

  

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, January 25, 2021 6:05 PM

Hello Harold, just your luck you chose the RAF period of 1940 when the underside colour scheme went through a number of changes.   This is a good primer here:

https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Camouflage-Markings/Supermarine-Spitfire

Basically, during the first week of June, a new underside colour was issued, known as Sky Type S.   Prior to this, it was the half night(black) and white scheme.  

There was a shortage of this new paint, so fighter squadrons began applying different colours that may have been considered acceptable matches.  Some mixed their own paints, or acquiring paints that looked similar - or by way of verbal expression seemed to match by description like "duck egg blue".   By end of August or early September 1940, it's considered the majority of fighters sported the proper paint.

 

So which squadron and time frame are you looking at?

 

regards,

Jack

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Monday, January 25, 2021 6:31 PM

jgeratic

Hello Harold, just your luck you chose the RAF period of 1940 when the underside colour scheme went through a number of changes.   This is a good primer here:

https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Camouflage-Markings/Supermarine-Spitfire

Basically, during the first week of June, a new underside colour was issued, known as Sky Type S.   Prior to this, it was the half night(black) and white scheme.  

There was a shortage of this new paint, so fighter squadrons began applying different colours that may have been considered acceptable matches.  Some mixed their own paints, or acquiring paints that looked similar - or by way of verbal expression seemed to match by description like "duck egg blue".   By end of August or early September 1940, it's considered the majority of fighters sported the proper paint.

 

So which squadron and time frame are you looking at?

 

regards,

Jack

 

The plane I am building was flown by Wing Cdr. Douglas Bader, RAF Tangmere June and July 1941. I believe he was in 242 Squadron while in command of the Tangmere and Duxford Wing.

Harold

  

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, January 25, 2021 7:01 PM

Bader's Spitfire P7966 definitely should have the Sky Type S undersides.  Now the spinner and fuselage band should be this same paint, but it's not the first time I've seen model instruction/artwork suggesting a lighter blue. 

Could be just fresh paint or lighting creating the difference between undersides and band colours.  Will do some further searches about this ...

 

regards,

Jack

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Monday, January 25, 2021 10:06 PM

jgeratic

Bader's Spitfire P7966 definitely should have the Sky Type S undersides.  Now the spinner and fuselage band should be this same paint, but it's not the first time I've seen model instruction/artwork suggesting a lighter blue. 

Could be just fresh paint or lighting creating the difference between undersides and band colours.  Will do some further searches about this ...

 

regards,

Jack

 

Thank you, Jack. I chose to build Douglas Bader's Spitfire Mk-IIa because I believe my Uncle Harold served in his 242 Squadron (the Canadian Squadron as it was called). I found additional information that confirms my Uncle was a Flight Sergeant Pilot when he first arrived in England in 1940 - 1941. It also confirms that he was a Flying Officer (Lieutenant) when he died in 1944 at the age of 26. He was the  pilot of an AVRO Lancaster bomber in 153 Squadron of Bomber Command.

Harold

 

  

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, January 25, 2021 11:36 PM

Hello Harold, yes I do believe I can make out the crown part of the badge in your uncle's photo, though it seems a bit different style.   I find it difficult to make out the RAF logo surrounded by the wreath?

Concerning the paint colour of the spinner and fuselage band, as mandated these should be the same as the undersides - Sky Type S.  Past threads on the subject over at Britmodeller has the hivemind in a bit of debate as to what they are seeing in photographs.   The spinner was suppose to have been pre-painted at the facility where they were made, before shipping off to aircraft manufacturing plants.  Fuselage bands were also painted at aircraft assembly, before delivering to squadrons.

regards,

Jack

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  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Monday, January 25, 2021 11:57 PM

jgeratic

Hello Harold, yes I do believe I can make out the crown part of the badge in your uncle's photo, though it seems a bit different style.   I find it difficult to make out the RAF logo surrounded by the wreath?

Concerning the paint colour of the spinner and fuselage band, as mandated these should be the same as the undersides - Sky Type S.  Past threads on the subject over at Britmodeller has the hivemind in a bit of debate as to what they are seeing in photographs.   The spinner was suppose to have been pre-painted at the facility where they were made, before shipping off to aircraft manufacturing plants.  Fuselage bands were also painted at aircraft assembly, before delivering to squadrons.

regards,

Jack

 

Jack, I think the Vallejo Sky Type S is what I will go with mainly because I have the paint already and you have found very strong evidence that it is the right color.

Regarding my Uncle's wings. After I posted a picture of him I realized that he never left the Royal Canadian Air Force. His service number changed when he was commissioned to Flying Officer, but he was always in the Royal Canadian Air Force as evident by his casualty notice.

Therefore his wings would be slightly different than those of an RAF pilot as shown below.

  

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