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                        12SS GB: 'Blood and Honor' (March 30th 2005- Sometime)

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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 6:27 AM
                        Hi.All
                        Just thought I'd let you have the titles of two books that I use for my references if they be of any help to anyone just ask and I'll look up the info you need.;
                        Waffen SS at War. and Men of Steel which deals with the Ardennes and the Eastern Front 1944-45.
                        This one gives you an exact break downs of the main combatants elements of Germany, US Army and the Russian infantry, Armoured Corps and Divisions used in the conflicts also includes maps, Kampf Gruppen (combat groups) Names from 1st.SS-Pz.Div. and 12th.SS-Pz.Div.
                        Also Complete Unit Listings Allied and Axis.
                        Happy Modelling
                        Regards panzermann.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 12:04 PM
                        Panzermann,

                        Thanks for the info. I guess I will have to make another purchase. O by the way.....my wife wants to speak with you!!!!!!!!! Big Smile [:D] Something about spending all of our money....I blamed you! Hee hee
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 1:10 PM
                        Thanks.smokin.
                        Thats fine with me I'll just tell about the 1/16th R/C King Tiger thatyour buying for her wedding anniversary. Hee,Hee.Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]Mischief [:-,]
                        Happy Modelling Buddy
                        Regards panzermann. Whistling [:-^]Laugh [(-D]
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                        gringe88
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                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Friday, May 6, 2005 4:05 PM
                        i see u guys are getting along veeeery nicely. hehe

                        im off for a model show tomorrow guys. wish me luck!
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 5:04 PM
                        Hi. gringe88.
                        You go and enjoy yourself at the show I reckon you'll come home with at least 3 kits minimum and say 2 books. hee hee.Wink [;)]Wink [;)].
                        Happy Modelling enjoy yourself.
                        Best Regards panzermann.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 6, 2005 11:13 PM
                        gringe88,

                        First good luck tomorrow. I trust you will be entering stuff. i agree with Panzermann. You or your parents will be buying you stuff. Second, yeah Panzermann and I play well together. Might even say we have become pretty good friends. What is this Panzermann, Group Build number 4 or 5 for us?!?!?!?!?!?
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 7, 2005 2:05 PM
                        Hi. smokin.
                        Yep sounds about right you keep dragging me into all these Group builds just because you know I'm weak. Hee Hee
                        Will post some pics next week with the progress report.
                        Happy Modelling everyone.
                        Best Regards panzermann
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 7, 2005 5:05 PM
                        Hey All,

                        Thanks to my boy Panzermann, I have a Kubel. It arrived today fresh from England. As soon as I finish with my schwimmy, I will start on it. gringe88 hope the show went well. Should come home with lots of goodies.
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                        gringe88
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                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Saturday, May 7, 2005 9:51 PM
                        you were right guys, i came home with a couple books, one specifically on the 12, the SS-Hitlerjugend. pretty good book. i also got some other little small things, but not as much as i have at other showsBig Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

                        i also took a gold and best junior. plus i met up with tankmaster, who came up for the show. he won in juniors too.
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 7:47 AM
                        Hey gringe88,

                        Thats great!!! Congrats!!! Which model did you enter and win with??? Told you that you would get stuff there. I think it is impossible to go to a show and not buy something! Congrats again. Party [party]Party [party]Big Smile [:D]
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 1:21 PM
                        Hi. gringe88.
                        Well done on your GOLDBow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Whistling [:-^]Whistling [:-^].
                        What did you enter? also what do you think of the "HitlerJugend" book I found it not upto Concord's usual standards as the lack of colour artwork was disapointing to say the least!!!.
                        Happy Modelling
                        Best Regards panzermannBig Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]
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                        gringe88
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                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Sunday, May 8, 2005 3:37 PM
                        hey thanks a lot guys!!Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D] i entered my Pz. 38(t) ausf. B and my 82nd Airborne two man bazooka team in normandy. i won with the Pz. 38.

                        the concord book is nice. i don't care much about the color photos, i already have several sources for uniforms, camo's and etc.etc. what i like is the resource of period photographs. in particular the info on the Pz. IV's and such. very nice. i also like such pics because of their inspirational value. an interesting item or gun positions or way a knocked out tank looks can be very useful when planning out a dio, and the fact that they're from the region and unit you're building a dio around makes them handy in confirming aspects of a piece prior to construction.
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        Tankmaster7
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                          August 2004
                        • From: Nowhere. (Long Island)
                        Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:25 PM
                        Hmm... I wish I had something for this buiuld. Yeah, matt I was surprised that you din't buy an armful of kits. (I surprised myselkf that I only bought 2.) Did these guyts use 251 halftracks?
                        -Tanky Welcome to the United States of America, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil Corporation, in partnership with Halliburton. Security for your constitutional rights provided by Blackwater International.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 9, 2005 6:36 AM
                        Hi. Tankmaster7.
                        Yep by the bucket full they even had the 251/16 flamm but on a D chassis also they used 251/9, 251/7 along with the Pz. IV, Wesp's and Sd.Kfz. 7/1 with and without the armoured cab.
                        hope that this helps .
                        Happy Modelling.
                        Best Regards panzermann.
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                        gringe88
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                          July 2004
                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Monday, May 9, 2005 6:42 PM
                        as you can see tanky, these boys are just a tub full of info that they are itching to spill out for you. i wasnt surpirsed that much by what i bought. lately ive stuck to adding to my AM and diorama add-ons. besides, i dont have that much money left over from BUFFCONBlack Eye [B)]
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:19 AM
                        Hi.All.
                        Just about time for an update, I've replaced some of the Tamiya items with parts from Dragon's 3 in 1 251 Ausf. D as I'm not going to use their /9 version so the Ammunition box has been replaced as the Tamiya one was molded closed also the interior was lacking to say the least, have replaced the radio and frame as the Dragon version has a speaker included on to the side of the frame, also the power relay for the radio, the radio operator's folding seat, the ready round box this is fitted to the R/H/side just to the rear of the mount.
                        The only thing on the Armament to be changed is the gun barrel for a Jordi Rubio barrel.
                        Eduard PE is being used along with the tracks from Dragon. all lockers are staying closed as the Vehicle will be heavily cammouflarged with long grass secured to the sides with wires from the tie-downs.
                        Happy Modelling.
                        Regards panzermann.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:07 PM
                        Is it too late to jump in on this group build? Also, what if it's 100% done? I have a late Panther G form the Ardennes. I'm friends with the the real-life commander too - kinda cool huh:)?
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                        Tankmaster7
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                          August 2004
                        • From: Nowhere. (Long Island)
                        Posted by Tankmaster7 on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:05 PM
                        question, does the dragon 3 in 1 251 ausf c come with markingd for the 12 SS? If not where could I get them? I'm not sayin I'm in though... yet.
                        -Tanky Welcome to the United States of America, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil Corporation, in partnership with Halliburton. Security for your constitutional rights provided by Blackwater International.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:26 PM
                        Tankmaster7,

                        Stop stalling and join. You know you want to!!! Geezzzz!!! Big Smile [:D] I dont think it does by the way. You will probably have to order them, download them, or make them yourself. Now stop resisting and join!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:28 PM
                        Scott_Negron,

                        Joining is up to gringe88 as he is running the show. What do you mean its 100% done?? Just a question but why join if you finished it already?? So did you make the tank after the commander's tank?? If so, that is cool.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:19 PM
                        Hi. tankmaster7.
                        The best thing to do is to get hold of the SS-Pz.-Divs. from Archer Fine Dry Rub decals as they have a good range of various markings and the Unit insignia's come in diferent sizes on the one sheet, you get about 7 - 8 different SS units on the sheet.
                        Hope that this helps you.
                        Happy Modelling.
                        Regards panzermann.
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                        gringe88
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:49 PM
                        Sign - Ditto [#ditto] ive got the archer dry-transfers set which im planning on using. its a good set, made up of the unit emblem of the 12SS in varying sizes. and yea man, stop dragging your feet and join already!!


                        Scott Negron- Hi! i just gotta ask one question. what do you mean by 100% done? if you;ve already built the model, then im afraid you wouldnt be able to use it for this GB. the point of the GB's is so that you can build the model during the time of teh build.

                        Never the less, I'd be glad if you could join in! if you cant use your panther, then maybe you could enter in with another model. hope you can join in.

                        -matt
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 8:30 AM
                        Hi. All.
                        It's update time from overthe pond,
                        Have finished the L24 main gun decided not to use the metal barrel will keep it for my Dragon stummel have only to add a few pieces of etched to the safety cage of the gun and new mounts for the spent shell cases.
                        The Eduard set is neat as it also includes masks for the veh. numbers only downer is it just replaces the one supplied with the kit decals.
                        Happy Modelling to all.
                        Best Regards panzermann.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 11:20 AM
                        Yes, it's done-done. But, how about a King Tiger? When is the deadline?

                        scottnegron@comcast.net
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                        gringe88
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                          July 2004
                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Monday, May 16, 2005 3:56 PM
                        the deadline is to whenever you can finish, but preferably to late august.

                        as far as my references tell me, the 12th never used any king tigers, unless they were issued some for the ardennes offensive or the offensive into Budpest in the last year of the war. otherwise, the heaviest armor they had were panther A's and D's(?) and Mk. IV's of the H/J variety
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 7:36 PM
                        Hi.gringe88.
                        The 12th were issued with King Tigers for Budapest but only a few of them will check out my references and let you know their order of battle.
                        Happy Modelling.
                        Best Regards panzermann.
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                        gringe88
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                          July 2004
                        • From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...
                        Posted by gringe88 on Monday, May 16, 2005 9:35 PM
                        man, this guy is just a barrel of tidbits. OK, looks like u can use a king tiger scott. just work on finding some research on the specific tigers (unless panzerman gets to it first)Bow [bow]
                        ====================================== -Matt
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                        Anonymous
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                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:50 PM
                        He is the man!!!!!!
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:37 PM
                        Hi. all.
                        Just a quick update the drivers compartment is finished and ready to install decided not to use the replacement dash on this build, every thing else is moving along ok.
                        Happy Modelling
                        Best Regards panzermann.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:42 PM
                        Nevermind, my goof! I was thinking Battle of the Bulge was the topic and not the 12. SS. How about a jagdpanzer IV? I have both Concord books (Battle of the Bulge and Panzers in the Ardennes), and well as the original (signed by Hubert Meyer:) Fedorowicz hardback (12. SS-Panzer Division). There just aren't many photo's of 12. SS armor in the Bulge. Option 2 is a jagdpanther, but again, no photos!

                        I'm going to visit my friend Hans Naas Saturday. Unfortunately, the only photo he has is of himself!

                        scottnegron@comcast.net
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