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M113 WIP - Generic US Army "Unknown"
Posted by jetmaker on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:50 AM

Ah.....my first WIP. This first night of building was very enjoyable. I'm really glad I took the time to get things set up. I had everything I needed immediately at my disposal, and then some. Tunes, reference materials, tools, good lighting. I was a little anxious at first, hoping I wouldn't screw anything up too bad. But, once I got going, it became very pleasurable, very quickly. I'm taking things very slowly at first. I want to learn how to do things properly from the start, and minimize bad habits. I get the most out of things that way. Most people I know just dive into things, and I don't discount them at all. I can do that, but it has a tendency to cause me frustration. This method works best for my sensibilities

Anyhoo, I'm building the Tamiya M113. I chose this for my first build because it was recommended as being very simple. And, so far, it is. The decals are pretty generic, which led me to the idea of doing a generic "unknown" theme for this APC. I dedicate it to all of the veterans of the War in Vietnam

It will be buttoned up entirely - there will be no interior visible. Therefore, I am not building any interior components. It will have a .50 cal mounted - though it will have no antennas (which is unusual, if I remember correctly, to have a crew serve mounted without radios installed, but, for simplicity's sake with respect to my very limited - read "pretty much zero" - scratch-building skills, I'm making the call to mount the gun anyway). I'm going with a single color dark OD scheme with white stars. I'm going to attempt VERY slight weathering - a simple wash and dry brush, tracks reddish-brown but not overly rusted, a few scratches here and there and maybe showing a little time in the Sun. The idea is to replicate what might be a monument piece in 1:1 scale

I started this a while back, and I got all the rolling stock assembled

I started this evening out by assembling the vinyl track. I thought about trying the hot screwdriver technique - which I have a very good tool that would work for that - but after dry fitting, I didn't see any reason why super glue wouldn't suffice. So, I used some thin Loctite, then after letting it sit for about 30 minutes, I snipped the little round protrusions. I think it turned out well

Next, I decided to attach the post that the TC's seat attaches to, because it's used as a support for the roof. I didn't take any pics of that. I just used regular Testors liquid cement for the bonded areas, then filled the gaps with CA. I don't know if any of the techniques are common, but they seem to have worked well. If anything I do is undesirable for good model construction, I'm completely open to any and all criticism. I'm also open to any ideas, advice, or any comments in general. Consider me the Jimi Hendrix of modeling: I love feedback

I decided I wanted to install the ramp. So I snipped all the parts, dry-fitted, got out a flat needle file and a medium-grit sanding stick, and went about the fitting process. After I got everything to look how I wanted, I taped the door in place with the hinges located, then used liquid plastic cement to glue on the hinges

After the hinges set up a bit, I used some liquid cement to glue the ramp in the up position

So that's as far as I got on this first night of my new hobby. I'm really digging it, A LOT. I can't wait to start throwing paint. I've got soooooooo much to learn and experience. This hobby speaks to me on many levels. It's an excellent hobby, and I actually think it chose me and not the other way around

Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. God bless

Harold

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Posted by jibber on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:36 AM

Jet it sounds like that old M113 Tamiya kit will be a perfect fit and fun one for you. With a little work and attention to detail you'll have a nicely finished vehicle. Those vinyl tracks can be finicky but it looks like you have that one worked out. Enjoy yourself, we'll keep following.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:23 AM

Looking good. I'd suggest you upgrade your tape. That brown stuff is ok for assembly, but it's no good for paint masking on plastic. A roll of 3M blue tape with the orange colored core is a worthwhile purchase.

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Posted by feldgrau23 on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 6:23 PM

Excellent start Harold. Looking forward to seeing more from you.

ohh and couldn't agree with Gmorrison more. goto the dollar store and get the blue tape. I have 3 roles on my bench now. Now that I think about it that seems kinda low for me. time for a trip to the Dollar store.
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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 6:35 PM

You're off to a good start, and that kit, like most older Tamiya armor, is a great "learning/training" kit for building your skills. A piece of .15 gauge wire makes a simple antenna if you do not care to try your hand at stretching sprue. All US AFVs carry radios in the field. At least since post WWII. I'll be keeping a watch on this project as the 113 is near and dear to me ;)

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 6:41 PM

Oh yes, tracks should not be rusted unless the vehicle is sitting in one spot for a long time. As soon as they start rolling, any rust formed gets scoured off. While tracks do take on a brown burnished metal look, they do not get deeply rusted. Each link also has a black rubber pad in the center.

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:53 PM

Make sure the tracks are pointed in the right direction.  A lot of people I have seen get it mixed up.

Here's a couple of shots of tracks from our squadron in S.E.A.

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The Tamiya kit has been out since the late 60s or early 70s and it's the one I use for builds.

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:38 AM

ikar01
The Tamiya kit has been out since the late 60s or early 70s and it's the one I use for builds.

This kit was first released in 1974. Smile

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Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 AM

 jetmaker  Looks to me you're progress is right on the mark.  It is a good idea to start a model with specific points you want and not to stray into too many extra detail detours -don't ask me how I've almost learned this 

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Posted by SprueOne on Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:27 AM

Phil_H

ikar01
The Tamiya kit has been out since the late 60s or early 70s and it's the one I use for builds.

This kit was first released in 1974. Smile

yes it was. 

I'm seeing a current trend of resurrecting old kits and building them OOB or mostly OOB. Cool

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Posted by jetmaker on Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:41 PM

Thanks for all the responses!!!

I got some 3M Scotch-Blue Painter's Tape for Multi-Surfaces. That should be okay right? I also have some small and large Tamiya tape, and I plan to acquire an assortment. I also have the basic masking tape like I used in the pics, and some electrician's tape, double-sided tape, Frogtape, aluminum tape, and the quintessential duct tape. So far, the only masking I see for this one is the track pads and roadwheels - which brings up my first question: any advice on painting roadwheels? - I have a couple circle templates, but I'm not sure if there isn't a better/easier way

0.15 wire for antennas? Awesome! That will help me greatly if not now then in a future build. I was starting to fall into the romanticism of building a tribute to my friend and co-worker, but I think it's better that I stick to my original concept and go with a monument/museum type piece. I haven't seen any display M113's but I would imagine they might not have antennas, but may have gutted weapons attached. That's my thinking behind mounting the .50 but not the radios - btw, Stik, after I thought about it, I do remember that the only time I saw any vehicles without radios mounted was when they were parked in the motorpool. And when I worked in supply we had to mount radios any time the vehicles were used at all, even for recruiting events and such, so, basically, any time the vehicles left the motorpool they had comms

I was hoping to get some more done on her today, but I got up late, and I have to be at work shortly. I did stay up a bit last night after my shift and messed around with my work area a bit. I raised the overhead light and it's even better now than it was. One thing I've learned about lighting is that it's all about a balance between placement, power, and color temperature. I replaced the bulb in the light behind me from one of the natural daylight 6500k's to a soft white 2700k. It's significantly more yellow, but the mix is good. The way I have the light reflecting off the walls and ceiling, along with the direct LED overhead inside the aluminum reflector is really nice. There is no strain at all, and there is no shadow at all. When I need to use my lighted Optivisor, it performs beautifully. I also added a third LED strip in my spray booth. It's in front, along the top, and perpendicular to the two running along the sides, so it makes a "U" shape. The lighting in that thing is outstanding. I'm a big believer in good lighting. Working in aviation has drilled that into me

I'll have more pics up soon, this weekend at the latest. Cheers!

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:31 PM

Nice start. I did build the Tamiya ACAV kit many years ago and recall it was a nice build.

In regards to the wheels, I only first used a circle template on my last armour build and its much better than my previous method of painting the base colour and then hand brushing the rubber. And I will echo stick on the absence of rust on the tracks.

On our armour, we used to leave the radio's fitted but just removed the antennas. But if as you say you want to do a museum piece, I think leaving those off would be just fine.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:59 PM

Very cool Jetmaker!

I've been on a bit of a golden oldie kick myself.

And I back Bish, the circle template seems to be the easiest and fastest way of painting road wheels.

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Posted by ikar01 on Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:00 PM

Sorry, it's been some a while since then.  I sit corrected.

Heck, back then I was driving them sometimes.

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Posted by feldgrau23 on Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:36 AM
Jetmaker,,, for the road wheels i dont worry about a template,, I have found that using a sharpie works best for me. Now it dries quick which is a good thing. However it dries with a bright shine. Nothing a coat of dullcote and a little weathering won't take care of. Hope this helps.
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Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, May 28, 2015 8:53 AM

For the Tamiya 113's, you don't really need to use a circle template. Unlike many other AFV road wheels, the wheels in this kit don't have a noticeable rim between the wheel and the rubber tyre section.

You just need a steady hand and a lightly loaded brush to do the outer faces of the tyres.

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Posted by SprueOne on Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:56 PM

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:28 PM

Cool concept.

Put that interior sprue on eBay. It'll get lapped right up!

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Posted by jetmaker on Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:18 PM

Amazing suggestions!!

Ikar, those pics are excellent! They gave me some really great ideas on how weathering might be applied to the 113

Phil and SprueOne, the ones in this kit have a raised lip around the rim. After seeing those pics, I'm wondering if I should file it down? It wouldn't be hard to do I don't think, and it certainly looks like it would be more accurate. AND, painting them would definitely be easier

feldgrau, I just tried some Sharpie on a small area of one of my wheels to see what it looks like. It looks pretty good. I wonder if the tone of the Sharpie color, once matte-ed, would look similar to rubber? I'm going to test that this weekend on some sprue

Karl, that is an outstanding idea! I never thought about selling the interior parts

I was able to get a little done today before work, very little haha. I got the drive wheel housings attached. That's it. The good news, though, is I had a badly curled cutting mat that I just finally wrestled to lay flat. I can't wait for this weekend. I'm really hoping to fire up the airbrush(es?). Have a good one guys

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:20 PM

One thing about Sharpie ink- before you use it on the model, try a compatibility test with whatever you plan to overspray it with, like matte clear etc. I've had a few bad experiences where clear lacquer will dissolve it and make it bleed.

Just test it first.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, May 28, 2015 4:18 PM

There should be a slight edge around the roadwheel where the metal rim and the rubber meet.

http://www.armorama.com/modules/gallery/albums/albup37/aal.jpg

Also, I wouldn't use the sharpie.  The color will not really look right as it has a purpleish tone to it.  Also, it can be dissolved by dullcoat and turpentine washes.  I would stick to black paint and a circle template.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, May 28, 2015 6:56 PM

HeavyArty

... I would stick to black paint and a circle template.

 Good advice. My first armor build with rubber tires in, well a long time. I'm trying this and am really happy with the results.

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Posted by jetmaker on Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:14 PM

Still putting things away and finishing up my work area. I made a lot of headway, but there's still much to be done. My space is very limited, so I've had to search my poor, abused brain to find ideas. I decided I'm going to use pegboard for shelving and to hang tools 'n' things. I can use it both at my assembly desk for glues and frequently used items, and at my spray booth for paints. I'll accomplish this over the summer. It's on my immediate to do list, but it's not a show-stopper. I'm already struggling with moving forward on this build and I don't want to get too bogged down - not all of this is because of work area projects, it's also because I'm meticulous and I move very slowly at first when acquiring new skills

That being the setup for this week's progress report. I got only a few small things done on the kit. However, I picked up a new technique: using super glue. The last time I built a model, I was probably 12 or 13 years old, and all I knew back then was tube glue and spray paint. I twisted parts off the sprue and went to town. Flash to the now, and I am using sprue cutters, filing and sanding, dry fitting, holding parts with tweezers, and all kinds of things I never even knew of or cared to do. The latest is using super glue. The much loved CA

My first attempt at using it was to attach one of the front tow hooks. I used a bottle of Loctite Liquid Super Glue, and I thought the applicator bottle would be sufficient to place a small drop of CA into the depression where the hook sets into. It was easy when I used it on the vinyl tracks, but this was a little different. I was wrong. Capillary action caused the very runny "liquid (duh)" glue to not stay all nice and neat inside the cavity like I had hoped. So, I got some acetone-based nail polish remover and cleaned the area up as best I could. It looks fine now. I then decided to try a different approach and used the applicator to squeeze just a little bubble of CA at the opening and sort of "dip" the little nib on the hook that goes into the cavity on the hull. Then I carefully placed the hook on the hull, held it for a couple seconds, and it worked like a charm. I'm still getting a feel for how much - or, more accurately, how little - glue to use, and how to work it for a good, quick bond and zero mess, but I feel very confident with it already. I am now a huge fan. Once I figured out a good technique it became immediately obvious how perfect this stuff is for attaching small parts, or anywhere a strong non-fused bond is desired (tracks, for instance)

So I took my time and attached the tow hooks on the front and back, the hitch, and the ramp handle. I also went to Lowe's and got a piece of 16" x 20" glass, then went to Michael's (next door) and got some white grid paper, and made a very nice work surface. The guy at Lowe's asked me what I wanted to use it for, and then tried to talk me out of it. It started to get a little irritating, but I insisted on glass, not acrylic, not lexan, not anything else. I love it. Glass is a fantastic work surface for this. Flat, smooth, and easy to clean. I guess it's hard on blades, but I have a cutting mat right next to it if I should need it

Here's my pics for this week...

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Posted by jetmaker on Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:22 PM

Spent the last two days filing and sanding the rear fenders. Taking from my limited experience working in aviation, I have a "last resort" mentality toward putties and fillers. I'm not averse to using them, but I try to get proper form or gap through forming the indigenous parts first. Then, if flaws still exist, I'll use an additive - in building 1:1 aircraft, we typically use either a specially formulated RTV or epoxy in such circumstances, which are rare and nearly always require a decision from an engineer. The idea, I believe, is to use as little non-indigenous material as possible, therefore minimizing the possibility of any sort of issues with bonding, corrosion, fatigue, etc

Both fenders had no issue with gap. I used liquid plastic cement along the main bonding surfaces, and a drop of CA on each of the attachment pins for a quick bond to hold the parts in place while the plastic cement did its work. The right side, in the first picture, needed little corrective action. There was a slight ridge along the seam, but a little filing with a flat needle file took care of it. The left side (second pic), however, was not so nice and easy. There was a significant drop off at the seam, which took a lot of careful shaping with a semi-round needle file, followed by a lot of planing with a flat file along the side of the hull to get rid of the wave. There's still a very slight wave impression when looking through magnification, but it looks flat to the naked eye and feels flat to the touch. That is well withing my own tolerances, so I'm good with it

I wish I had taken before pics, but I got into fix-it mode and started working it before I thought about taking pics. In fact, taking progress pics is a totally new thing for me. I like it though!

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:26 PM

Your skills are impressive. I use toothpicks a lot to apply adhesives. never from the bottle. Squirt some on a swatch of tape and load up a toothpick tip.

Have you tried sanding sticks from CVS? get a bunch of grits, the foam backed ones. A swipe and problems disappear.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:34 PM

Just a word on the rear fenders, they are lightweight metal and not the aluminum alloy armor. There is usually a weld seam there. Especially if they are damaged in service and replaced.

 

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Posted by jetmaker on Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:40 PM

Thanks GMorrison! Yeah, I made that rookie mistake when I put the tow hooks on. I quickly learned that a little CA goes a looooong way haha! Something I started doing for attaching small parts with tweezers, is to use the bottle and hold it upright to gently squeeze out the air bubble(s), then ever so gently squeeze just enough to form a dome at the opening, then dip the attachment pin of the part into the liquid. I think this only works if you're using the attachment pins. For running a seam or attaching a part with a flat bonding surface, or something to that effect, I'm sure I'll have to use the toothpick method like you mention. Using tape is a great idea! I'm definitely going to use that. I could probably use the glass surface I'm working on, but I really don't want to risk that stuff running everywhere

I've been using Squadron sanding sticks. They're good, but a little pricey. I got some thin sanding strips that were real cheap at the local Hobbytown. I go to CVS all the time. I'm going to look for those next time I go

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Posted by jetmaker on Thursday, June 4, 2015 2:47 PM

Thanks Stik! I wondered about that. It was hard for me to imagine that they would have been part of the main hull without some sort of weld there. I looked at a bunch of pics, and most of them were covered in mud haha! The ones that were clean I couldn't really tell if I saw a seam or not. Sometimes I thought I saw one, the I'd see another and it looked like it might be smooth. I'm trying to decide if I want to attach the skirts or not

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, June 4, 2015 3:00 PM

Track shrouds are optional. They are most used for swimming the thing. They are rubber with metal end pieces and separate top rails to hold them in place by a series of 3/4" bolts. More often than not we left them off. If your doing a gate guard type track  I'm willing to lean towards leaving them off.

 

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Posted by feldgrau23 on Saturday, June 6, 2015 10:18 AM

Looking good Jet keep at it.

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