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#12 Tamiya German Horch 1A mit 2cm Flak38 (Conversion)

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#12 Tamiya German Horch 1A mit 2cm Flak38 (Conversion)
Posted by Schnobs on Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:54 PM

Greetings Gentleman!

I must admit there was something unnatural about not having a WIP in progress it left me feeling peculiar so I cleared the deck of a few Honey Do's and here I am.

I must say that my experience with the older Tamiya kits like the T34\85 that I paid $5.00 for and the LRDG Chevy that I just completed has sparked a love affair with these older kits so I thought I would keep the home fires burning and continue my gun truck saga in North Africa with Tamiya's old kit #105 German Horch 1A mit 2cm Flak38 that I picked up on Ebay for $10.00 from a lady that lived ten minutes from me.  It was my first Ebay buy and no shipping and the kit is pristine and the instructions are turning yellow.  That's so cool!  Big Smile

I then checked around for any cheap PE sets and found the Eduard Horch 1A set for $15.00 at R&J Enterprises.  It has all the films for the windows, decals and masks.  I am very excited about that too because it's my first Eduard PE set.  I have heard nothing but good about them on the forums.

Here are two of my favorite real world reference pictures that have inspired me the most so far.  I am sure I will find more.

I will be scratch building the gun sled and the rear deck it should be a blast!

Here are the sprue's of the vehicle and the gun.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Posted by mg.mikael on Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:38 PM

Wow, first one to post....anyways I can't wait to see this kit built up.Yes I have the standard Tamiya 4x4 Horch in my stash, only difference is that mine is molded in gray plastic and doesn't come with the flak gun. Nevertheless, I hope to take away some tips for the day I decide to build my Horch.

"A good plan executed now is better than a perfect plan next week." - George S. Patton

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Posted by *INDY on Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:13 PM

YEAH!! A start !   Great idea! Wahhooo..this is going to rock! Nice P.E. But wait---I don't see any work yet! What@  Get going now please!

 

Big Smile*

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:44 PM

Ditto, let's get going!! I can't wait to see how this one turns out! Propeller Weeeeeeeee

 

 

    Thanks, Jim

 

 

 

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Posted by disastermaster on Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:45 PM

If it's anything like the last 'un.......... a REAL treat!.

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Uh INDY, don't look now bu.........

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:03 AM

Edmund,

You're back at it again you slacker! It's about time! Big Smile

I would strongly recommend however that you ditch the Tamiya Flak 38 entirely and get yourself a DML Flak 38 and possibly even a replacement barrel from RB Models. You'll be glad you did, the details on the DML styrene kit are light years beyond what the Tamiya kit has even if you don't replace the barrel. Since the gun will be such a prominent part of this build, it would be a shame to stay with the chunkier detail on the Tamiya parts IMHO. Wink

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:54 AM

Michael:  I am glad you wee my first Michael you rock and once again your cammo scheme is fantastic on your last build.  I will try my best as always to document the process!

Adam:  I am glad you are along for the ride with this one Adam you make me laugh quite often with your enthusiastic support!

Jim:  Great to hear you are on board as well Jim! 

Steve:  That's a great animated graphic. I loved that movie and the Disney Ride isn't bad either!  Glad you are on board as well.  Are we going to be seeing something form you soon Sir?  Inquiring minds want to know!

Wbill:  LOL!  You and your AM goodies. I am wsay ahead of you for once!  I purchased the Dragon 2cm Flak38 with a Griffon Model detail set including metal barrel and crew for another project but it looks like they will be used for this one!

Build Update:

I managed to get the majority of the lower chassis completed last night and discovered additional evidence of a plastic shortage in the 1970's that I had to correct with Milliput.
I also was also able to finish prep and assembly on the wheels.
 
Stay Tuned...................
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Posted by hughes2682 on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:59 AM

Well, where are the pics? tap tap tapHuh?

How about now? tap tap tapConfused

We're waiting..........Confused

(the sound of maniacal giggling coming from under the hobby bench)Big Smile

I am looking forward to seeing what you do with #12.  The last one was stunning!

Cheers

Dave (who is still giggling under the bench)

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:03 AM

Hey Dave,

What serendipity I was posting pictures right when you were asking for some!  Big Smile

I found your VM last night on my phone I have no clue how that slipped by me Dave and I sincerely apologize and expect a call today Sir!

 

 

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Posted by disastermaster on Friday, January 22, 2010 4:18 PM

Schnobs
 

Are we going to be seeing something form you soon Sir?

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/parisienne-moonlight/emoticon/asdcattivo.gif Don't worry......it's coming.

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 I'm a slowly formin' somethin' up now.

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, January 22, 2010 5:17 PM

wow, that is neat! gotta love millput....

 

 

      Thanks, Jim

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 22, 2010 9:22 PM

Sounds like a nice combo Edmund and you're well on the way with this one already! How'd I know you'd rush right to the wheels first chance you got?! Big Smile

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Posted by *INDY on Friday, January 22, 2010 10:19 PM

wbill76

Sounds like a nice combo Edmund and you're well on the way with this one already! How'd I know you'd rush right to the wheels first chance you got?! Big Smile

Because, Bill, Schnobs has had many experiences over the years that make wheels most importaint

 

 

 

 

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 PM

All right, now I'm scared...Whistling

 

 

   Thanks, Jim

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 PM

All right, now I'm scared...Whistling

 

 

   Thanks, Jim

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Posted by Schnobs on Saturday, January 23, 2010 1:31 AM

Steve:  Glad to hear it Steve your work is spectacular and very inspiring!

Jim:  Milliput is the best!

Wbill:  Wink  Yes I like my Wheels that's for sure.  These are my first set of plastic wheels and with a Little Kay a lot of work they turned out pretty good.  I like them better than vinyl tires!

Adam:  LOL!  Freud would love to get his hands on me!!

Build Update:

I finished the lower chassis and was quite impressed with the simplicity of the build that defies the complexity of the end result.  I tacked the wheels on with Blue Tac just because I could! Big Smile

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Posted by hughes2682 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:45 AM
Edmund, Oh merciful heavens above! You were playing with your wheels again weren't you?! LOL You're scratching the sled eh? What gun are you going to use? No worries about missing the VM. I'll give a call this weekend. Keep up the good work there! Cheers Dave

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Posted by Guney on Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:48 PM

Fine works so far...Good luck..:)

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:48 PM

Jeez dude.... you gotta come up for air between builds or your gonna pass out.

Marc  

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Posted by Schnobs on Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:15 AM

Dave:  LOL!  I have to admit in all seriousness I love freshly painted wheels and scratch building the most!!  It literally hurts me to chip them up and weather them up before they ever had a chance.  I have learned that the wood sleds were only used in the Opel Blitz or other big tucks.  I have done a lot of research today because I was watching my Little guy most of the day so my wife could get errands done with the oldest.

Guney:  Thanks my friend!

Marc:  I build so I can get these gosh doggin images out of my head!

I thought some of you might enjoy a little history and nomenclature of the vehicle and some really cool reference pics I found tonight. 

The Horch 1a was the standard heavy passenger car of the German Army at the beginning of the War and saw action on all fronts and it's modified chassis was used as the basis for the 221/222/223 armored cars which I did not know that was cool to learn.  It was capable of towing light artillery and anti-tank guns. 

  • Years of production:
    1937-1938 (Horch 108 Type a, b),
    1939-1940 (Horch 108 Type 1a, 1b, Ford Type EGa, EGb, EGd),
    1940-1941 (Ford EG Type 40), 1940-1942 (Horch Type 40)
    Overall production: 10036 (Horch - 8135, Ford - 1901)

Here is a variety of real world reference pics plus a really cool dashboard picture and interior that I shouted with joy when I found it!

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:13 AM

Oh boy!  here we go......WooooHoooo.  more...more...more.

I have declared this a hippy free zone!  none need apply.................LOL

 

Ed as always brother, it going together beautifully.  Im dug in for this one.

 

Bob

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Posted by M1Carbine on Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:39 PM

G - you should already be loaded..................LOL

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:37 PM

The man wastes no time does he!!  Looking good Ed. You definitely do your research. I think the last pic is what you should do, it looks cool and would fit right in with the other North Africa vehicles.

Keep up the good work buddy.

 

Rob

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:29 PM

Rolling right along Edmund! Why do I have this sudden feeling that you're going to be stringing field mess kits, grenades, and water bottles all along the inside of the bed now? Wink

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:07 PM

Sweet stuff, I really like how that is coming along!

 

AgentG: Manly stuff huh? sounds like fun!Whistling

 

      Thanks, Jim

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:50 PM

Oh yeah, I agree, long hair on guys---doesn't look too good. Technically Inaccurate actually.

 

OK Bob. Fire at will

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:28 PM

Adam..................LMAO

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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, January 25, 2010 11:20 AM

Bob, Wayne, Adam:  Hey Jay Leno called and he wants his job back!!!  Holy Gosh I am funny!

Wbill:  Hey Bill wasn't that a cool picture of the interior.  Should we go back in time and accuse them of the Verlinden Clutter?  Too bad i am not going to have a rear passenger compartment on this one but I have the front driving compartment to work with!  Whistling

Jim:  Thanks for riding along Jim you are always welcome!!

Build Update:

If I had known a year ago that my favorite part of modeling now would be blithely ignoring the directions and shaving off most of the molded details in preparation of PE and Scratch building I would have called you a Nutter!

The interior vertical supports are not mounted they are just in place to provide rigidity for the glue setup.  I will be shaving then down because I want the tread plate gun platform lower into the compartment.

Enjoy!

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Posted by hughes2682 on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:51 PM

Edmund,

First it's the wheels that we find out about you. Embarrassed Now you're shaving your kits.  SurpriseJust how well ventilated is your bench area? Dead Do we need to assemble the troops for and intervention?Wink 

As per your SOP this is coming along nicely.  I can't wait to see what you're going to do about this one. About the pictures you posted, I like the one of the back seat that had all of the clutter.  The canteens, grenades, misc equipment.  Even my 11 year old son liked that one!

Cheers

Dave

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:05 PM

More great stuff, keep it coming! we want it!

 

     thanks, Jim

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