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1/72 T-80U WIP

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    March 2011
Posted by sin2theta on Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:21 PM

Thanks, Madmike and Pawel!  I appreciate the comments.

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    March 2011
Posted by sin2theta on Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:19 PM

Danke sehr.   I'm hoping to do a T-90 myself after the T-80U, based on the Revell t-72 and the ACE T-90.  I'd like to do the welded turret.  Yuriy Pasholok has a walkaround for a T-90 at http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/yuri_pasholok/t-90/, although you've probably found it already.  Let us know what the Zvezda kit is like.

On the 3D printing, the modelling was pretty easy, as I've done 3D animation stuff before.  For modelling, the keys were  getting the dimensions right,  making sure that it was a solid piece, and the finding a rpgram to turn the output of my modeling program into the right file for the 3D printer.   It needed a .stl file.  I used Accutrans 3D, which is not expensive, and tried another program as well.  The road wheels worked the first time I tried, my friend turned one model into 12 and added the sprue.  The Brod-M, in contrast needed three tries.  The first file wasn't read at all, the second try  it cam e out at 1/144 scale, and the third time it was all right.   I have the .stl files still if someone else wants to use them--they would work with a service like Printways, I think.

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    March 2011
Posted by sin2theta on Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:03 PM

Thanks, doog.  That's praise indeed, coming from you.  I've looked at what you've done and the finishes are amazing. That Charger and the Road runner are exquisite.

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    July 2003
  • From: Perth, Western Australia
Posted by madmike on Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:40 PM

Simply incredible work. Look forward to seeing more as you progress.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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    May 2009
  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:18 AM

Oh yeah, some genuine attention to detail here! I like it a lot. Good luck finishing it, have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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    April 2005
  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:33 AM

Great looking build!
The new Russian stuff looks so extremely patchy and busy, you have captured that very well.
I am about to start Zvezda'sT-90 myself and will follow this with great interest Stick out tongue
Also the 3D printing stuff is very interesting, would be interesting to learn more about it.

Thank you for sharing :)

Very Best Regards
Johan

  • Member since
    April 2005
  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:33 AM

Great looking build!
The new Russian stuff looks so extremely patchy and busy, you have captured that very well.
I am about to start Zvezda'sT-90 myself and will follow this with great interest Stick out tongue
Also the 3D printing stuff is very interesting, would be interesting to learn more about it.

Thank you for sharing :)

Very Best Regards
Johan

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:55 AM

Impressive work. I built one of the Revell T-80 kits when it came out in the mid 1990s under the Monogram name. It was quite the dog compared to the even older Esci kits, but at least it was a new breed of Soviet armor.

I am impressed that you could get 3D printing done.

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    January 2007
Posted by the doog on Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:51 PM

Holy CARP!

Freakin' hard-core, man! This is an amazing model! We haven't seen such dedication to detail and ingenuity in scratchbuilding/casting etc like this in quite a while!

GREAT work! Can't wait to see what you make of it in the end!

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    March 2011
Posted by sin2theta on Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:49 PM

I made a typo in the first para.  This model is meant to be the turbine powered T-80U.  The diesel powered T-80UD has a very different rear engine deck, and is available in a kit by Galaxy.

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    March 2011
1/72 T-80U WIP
Posted by sin2theta on Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:34 PM

I decided that I wanted to turn Revell's 1/72 T-80B into a diesel powered T-80U.    Given  Mikhail Baryantisky's book, Andrei Tarasenko's fine "Tank Power--Fire and Steel" site at btvt.narod.ru , and Yuriy Pasholok's superb walk around, there's a wealth of good references available, but it's required a lot of work, and pushed me into some new realms of modeling.

Here's where I am now.

There are still some fine details to be added, but most of the work is done.  Here's a photo prior to painting that shows many of the mods to the hull.

  I thought I had all the references I needed.

My first step was to get a good scale drawing. When I laid the kit upper hull down on the drawing, it was exact in width, but about 5mm too short!  Looking at the drawing versus the kit hull, it looked like the  best place to add a 5mm plug was behind the turret, just ahead of the last fender fuel tanks.   I already knew that the kit engine deck looked nothing like my references, so I took advantage to lay some basic structure using plastic sheet and strip, rescribing detail in the new fuel tanks.

 

 Prominent is the 5mm plug that had to be added to the hull.     I found from Russian sources that the road wheel diameter was 670 mm, so I scaled a scanned 3 view until the road wheels were 670/72 = 9.3 mm in diameter.  Laid against the scale drawing,  the kit turned out to be bang on in width, but 5mm too short.  I lengthened the engine deck, and then stretched the lower hull to match.   I took advantage to respace the roadwheels closer to  the real thing.

You can see a lot of work using brass sheet.  I used some parts from the Extratech and Eduard PE sheets such as screens, fuel barrel supports,  etc, but a lot is just sheet and wire work.  For example, the exhaust duct is folded from brass sheet, and each turret roof active armor block is piece of sheet wth a plastic pad nuderneath and plastic rods for bolts.   I soldered the turret basket , the headlight guards, the smoke grenade wiring, and the back left turret corner MG mount.  I was especially proud of the APU unit I had to build on the left rear fender-it was assembled from brass sheet and soldered, then detailed with plastic parts.

 The turret was reworked at lot at the rear with Millliput.  I did it the first time by eye, then got smart and went back to Russian sources to get a drawing of the T-80U turret in plan.  I scaled this drawing so it was the same length as the turret on my 3-view, and then reputtied the turret to conform to that outline.  Much better.  Here are some photos of the turret at  various points.

 

 

The kit road wheels are a big disappointment, and  led me into a new frontier--3d printing.   The road wheel diameter is too large, and the hub is all wrong.  A friend came to the rescue on this-he has access to a 3-d printer, which can take a computer drawing and print out an example in plastic.(Thanks , David A.!)  I modeled the wheel, taking measurements off photographs for the proportions, then scaling the computer model to the diameter of the scale road wheel.  My friend printed them out, added sprues and actually added rivet detail to the model that I had planned to add using plastic stock.   The process gives results that are a bit rough compared to injection-molded parts, but on par with many small-firm resin parts.

I used the same techniques to create the Brod-M intake cover which hangs on the turret rear. It has a tricky shape which would have been problematic to build up from plastic stock, but it was easy to model in 3d. My friend printed, and here is a closeup with detail added.  You can seee the texture that 3d printing gives inthis scale. It would be really appropriate for a cast turret.

 The kit gun, by my drawing is too short.   I used a turned aluminum gun from Armo, but I still chucked it in a drill and used a file to get the bore evacuator down to the right size.  The rest of the detail is photo etch.  I used aluminum foil tape for the gun mantlet cover, and added all the detail around the IR searchlight, the wiring for the smoke dischargers, etc, out of plastic stock and brass.

The final major element was the flexible covers across the nose and hanging down the front of the tank.  These parts are available in the no-longer in production T-80bv kit, but I don't have that on hand.    I made these parts from Milliput, rolled between two sheets of wax paper to the  thinness of  plastic sheet.  As the Milliput set up, I cut the parts along a template, bent them as necessary, and draped them over pieces of tubing to help them hold their shape.

The tracks are another disappointment--very simplistic in shape. I'm mulling over what to do with them. I've also  got some more details to add, such as the sights, fuel barrels and hoses, etc.  I've already built the rather complicated MG mount.    

I've been building 1/72 Soviet armor for quite a while, but I feel that with all the new techniques I've tried here, I really stretched myself--this is the best work I've done yet.  

 

 

 

 

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