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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:46 PM

Hi Joe, looking good! I don't know the first thing about tanks although I do like to build one on occasion...all wrong I'm sure, but they are fun.

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Posted by fightnjoe on Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:50 PM

Thank you all for looking in.

 

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After spending most of my young adult life riding the M48 and M60 series tanks, you need to correct a few items.

One, you have the air filter boxes mounted backwards. The blower motor exhaust pipes face towards the front.

Two, there are no wires for the headlight mounts. They are internal.

Three, the sponson box handles are facing the wrong way. You have them in the open position.

 

 

M60 Thank you for the info.  I wish I would have known prior to painting, I could have fixed them.  Biggest issue with my lack of knowledge on armor subjects is relying on what I can see in the instructions and find online.  Sadly that proves to be not much or not accurate at times.  Of the three issues the only one that could be fixed at this point is the wires out of the headlights.  Those are gone now.  I do appreciate you commenting and sharing your knowledge.  

 

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:51 PM

Moving right along on this it is time for painting.

 

Up to this point not much was for sure on this build.  I knew I wanted to build it so I could tackle the cammo.  As I feel that is one of the major weaknesses I have in this hobby I wanted to challenge myself.  Once the construction was finished some choices were needed.  Just how did I want to portray this subject.  It did not take long for the thought process to hone onto the choice.  Something like a gate guard.  Weathered but not too much.  Still standing proudly as a reminder of its service.  

 

I just had to go for it.  

 

 

First was to present in that fashion I needed to try to get a handle on something I had failed with multiple times.  Paint chipping.  My other attempts ended with failure to get it right and substituting some other technique to get a worn look.  

 

First is the rust, how?  I sprayed Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer and then mixed in Testor Light Tan to highlight.  

 

 

I let this dry overnight.  

 

Now is the tricky part.  This is where the failures of the past haunted me.  I applied hairspray over the entire surface, or so I thought.  I let this dry and then began the cammo pattern.  The overall coat of Vallejo Olive Drab Primer was first.  The instructions called for Khaki but the only one I had in the paint supply was badly neglected and had dried to a point of unusable.  I went with the second choice.  Gunze Sanyo Dark Earth provided the brown.  Tamiya Buff and Apple Barrel (Walmart craft water based Acrylic) were used as well.  

 

Once each dried to the touch I began the next.  Everything I had seen on this method said to work on the chipping before the paint fully cured.  With that in mind I waited until all the paints were dry to the touch and then out came the water and brushes for the chipping.

 

 

Currently she sits drying from the gloss coat.  I plan to begin oil work once that dries.  

 

Now lets critique a bit.  I do not like the paint work.  I rushed through the steps and did a poor job with it.  I went freehand with the cammo and to be honest it only resembles the instruction call outs vaguely.  I am pretty happy with the chipping though.  I tried to keep a light approach and kept the chips and paint peeling to areas that would have seen wear and tear and where rust would naturally occur.  

 

All comments, critiques, and criticism are requested.

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:04 PM

Critiques...

1, on the basic colors, there is not enough contrast between the main colors. The MERDEC colors had good contrast between them, and when faded, it became even more pronounced. The Field Drab lost its greenish tinge and faded to a more sandy brown and the Forest Green  became a more brightish medium green...

2, the chipping, on the fenders was faily commonly seen, but not so much on the hull and turret. While the MERDEC paints had a tendency to shift color fairly rapidly, they were also quite durable to wear and tear, especially on solid surfaces like armor, such as the hull and turret. Yes it scuffs up, but does not really chip off of those areas.

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, March 20, 2017 10:33 AM

Stik many thanks for the info.  I went back and tried to get the colors more defined.  Not sure how well I did on that.  I also went over the turret and hull to clean up the chip and paint.  Really appreciate the comment.  This is really showing my inexperience with armor.  

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, March 20, 2017 8:53 PM

No worries Joe. You asked for honest critiques and did not get defensive about it. I know that chipping is one of the great fads currently in armor building. But in my view it's way overdone. People are building models that look like neglected museum pieces or target range hulks, not operational vehicles. But it is what's popular in certain magazines and circles...

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, March 20, 2017 9:52 PM

I worried about being much too heavy for sure.  I saw some pictures using google search that showed some but not a real heavy chipping.  I wanted to give the look of a veteran that could stand proudly.

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:12 AM

Well, that's one of the nice things about kits like Academy, you can experiment without messing up a sixty dollar Dragon kit.

 

SP: Thanks for the advice from me too, I've been thinking about doing a M60 in the MERDEC scheme. 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:32 AM

Gamera

Well, that's one of the nice things about kits like Academy, you can experiment without messing up a sixty dollar Dragon kit.

 

That is so very true.  

 

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:38 AM

Might be too late, but I don't recall our A5s having smoke grenade launchers.

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:47 PM

Alll good critiques here, the only thing I would say is that it needs more chipping, everywhere.

 

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:03 PM

Rob I am afraid at this point the launchers are there to stay.  I do appreciate the info though.

 

Many thanks all for looking in.

 

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:04 PM

Well folks here we go again. 

 

Warning, the pictures for the most part do not show the actual colors portrayed.  The pictures show a much "warmer" tone or yellowish tint.

 

Now for the not so regular update.  

 

Using oils the process of weathering begins.  Several different oils are used to show the streaks.  There are so far three separate sessions dedicated to this attempt.  To be honest the results are not matching up to the intent.

 

 

As you can see the pictures do not do me any favors.  

 

However now I believe I have taken the streaking as far as I should and can move on to the next stage.

 

 

All comments, critiques, and criticism are requested.

 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 31, 2017 8:00 AM

Looks kinda like some of the 'rain marks' streaking I've done, didn't like and removed it. 

I'm going to let someone like Karl that understands this sort of stuff give you advice since I'm out of my depth here. 

I'm just going to say good luck and cross my fingers for you! 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, March 31, 2017 9:38 AM

fightnjoe

Rob I am afraid at this point the launchers are there to stay.  I do appreciate the info though.

 

Many thanks all for looking in.

 

 

Joe

 

I figured as much, didn't notice them from the first time I posted to this thread to the next time I visited. No big deal. I wouldn't worry about too much chipping; the M48A5 was mainly used by the National Guard and the tanks were kept at an installation where they were used during summer training. They didn't get a lot of wear and tear. Now the ones used by the 2nd Infantry Division were used a lot, but the Regular Army tends to keep their tanks in good repair.

It was a very neat little tank that served for the blink of an eye intended to be used by second and third echelon armor formations along with the M60 while the front line forces were in M60A3 and M60A1 tanks.

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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, April 03, 2017 11:50 PM

Many thanks.

 

 

Rob again many thanks for the info.  That to me is what makes the building so satisfying.  

 

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, April 03, 2017 11:51 PM

Well she is finished.  At least I am going to call her finished.  I did not add the antenna as my logic told me there were some things that would have been removed prior to installation as a gate guard.  I am happy with the way this looks as in the last 37 years I have done only a dozen or so armor vehicles.  Honestly not up to par with some of the work I have seen online but for this old aircraft builder it looks decent and portrays what I want.  

 

Again this is the Academy M48A5K, or at least that is what it says on the box.  The paints are Vellejo US Olive Drab, Gunze (I think) Dark Earth, Apple Barrel (Craft Paint) Black, Tamiya Buff, and Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer.  Built OOB.  

 

 

 

All comments, critique, and criticism requested.

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 12:22 AM

Good looking tank Joe Yes Far better than I could do my friend.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 2:40 AM
Excellent finish Joe

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:01 AM

I like it, I'd run the searchlight power cable through the turret lift ring, that's what we normally did.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:06 AM

Really well done Joe. been great following this, nice finish all round.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:25 AM

Looks cool!!! Yes

I like the restrained wear on the paint and rust. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 10:44 AM

Very nice finish. I think that it looks like a tank headed for the gate guard post. 

Two things- check the orientation of your tracks against photos, I'm not sure if they are on correct or not, and, are the headlights painted? i could not tell from your finish photos.

 

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 10:51 AM

Excellent job, Joe!  The other comments say it all!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, April 04, 2017 10:54 AM

Great finish and weathering.  The tracks are on backwards though.  The "V" should point down when viewed from the front of the tank.

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Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:43 AM

Many thanks all.  Appreciate you looking in.

 

As for the tracks.......AWWWWW CRAP.

Unfortunately they are in place and the only way to fix would cause much damage.  Worst part is I checked and rechecked the photos on google but ended up doing it wrong anyway.  Dang it.

 

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:49 AM

fightnjoe
As for the tracks.......AWWWWW CRAP.

Unfortunately they are in place and the only way to fix would cause much damage.  

 

Are the tracks glued to the road wheels and return rollers?  And is the rear sprocket glued on or just press-fitted using the poly cap?  If they are not glued and the rear sprocket is only press-fitted, you should be able to remove the rear sprocket and swap the tracks around without causing any damage.  I'd give it a try and see what happens.

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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, April 07, 2017 7:49 AM

Unfortunately the tracks are all of the above.  They are glued to the road wheels and the return rollers as they did not conform very well without it.  They are also glued into the rear sprockets as they seemed to "float" otherwise.  

 

All is well though.  It was a learning experience and I did learn from it.  The cammo was a challenge and learned a few how to's as well as how not to's.  Thank you all for looking in and all the information.  

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 07, 2017 11:03 AM

fightnjoe
 

 

All is well though.  It was a learning experience and I did learn from it.  The cammo was a challenge and learned a few how to's as well as how not to's.  Thank you all for looking in and all the information.  

 

 

Joe

 

Well then, you're in a good place. You learned on this project, and the gigs you did make and not correct are not noticeable to the majority of the folks on here, or who will likely see it in person. And above all, I bet you enjoyed yourself getting this built. 

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:47 AM

Stik I definitely enjoyed the build.  Was a bit uncomfortable doing some of the work but that was more about not being a usual subject for me.  And you are right, most of the folks who see this will not see the things that are incorrect.  To me this build was the first where I really focused on the techniques for building armor.  Previous builds it was all about something to break up the aircraft builds and revamp the ***.  

 

 

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