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Half track equivalents to the E-tank series

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Half track equivalents to the E-tank series
Posted by Tankluver on Monday, August 13, 2018 1:42 PM

I know in recent years the E-tank series has become a popular subject to model. So i was wondering, are there any equivalent halfteack designs that never made it or only made it to prototype stages when the war ended. We’re there any all concealed half tracks the Germans were making or maybe an actual APC? 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, August 13, 2018 2:20 PM

I have never come across anything. All of the paper panzers, E series and others, were tanks or tank destroyers. I think the main concern was for new fighting vehiles that would make a difference.

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Monday, August 13, 2018 2:25 PM

There were no plans to develop the half track that was used by the Germans but they did become multiweapon platforms.

However, there were drawings and designs done for APC versions on the E-50 Chassis which would have replaces the 251 Halftrack. In actual fact the E50 and E-75 chassis were uprated Tiger II chassis.

THe Germans were looking to cut down on the different types of vehicles used and work off a few chassis to improve and quicken production numbers and equipment!

Out of the E series designs there were only 2 E-100 chassis built or started. 1 was completed and was waiting for the turret from Krupp when the allies captured the factory. The second chassis was half finished.

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Posted by Tankluver on Monday, August 13, 2018 3:06 PM

Thanks for the info. I was curious i was thinking of a what if halftrack with just an inclosed compartment on a 251 series, it’s basically be like the artillery spotter half track. What would an E-75 apc look like though?

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 13, 2018 3:09 PM

FWIW here is an apc on a T-55 chassis.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, August 13, 2018 3:15 PM

Tankluver

Thanks for the info. I was curious i was thinking of a what if halftrack with just an inclosed compartment on a 251 series, it’s basically be like the artillery spotter half track. What would an E-75 apc look like though?

 

That not to far fetched, the Czechs did with the OT-810.

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Posted by Tankluver on Monday, August 13, 2018 3:51 PM

Bish

 

 
Tankluver

Thanks for the info. I was curious i was thinking of a what if halftrack with just an inclosed compartment on a 251 series, it’s basically be like the artillery spotter half track. What would an E-75 apc look like though?

 

 

 

That not to far fetched, the Czechs did with the OT-810.

 

yeah i saw that in some of my research which got me thinking if this would have been the next variant, event a 251 with an 232 gun on Top as well 

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Posted by Tankluver on Monday, August 13, 2018 3:52 PM

I was thinking for a tank Chaz is off he smart to study how the Israelis made a few apcs like the one you posted 

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FWIW here is an apc on a T-55 chassis.

 

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Posted by T26E4 on Monday, August 13, 2018 4:02 PM
There was development of a fully tracked APC based on the Pz 38(t) series -- imagine a "Hetzer" w/o the cannon but an open compartment for grenadiers.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, August 13, 2018 4:11 PM

Tankluver
 
Bish

 

 
Tankluver

Thanks for the info. I was curious i was thinking of a what if halftrack with just an inclosed compartment on a 251 series, it’s basically be like the artillery spotter half track. What would an E-75 apc look like though?

 

 

 

That not to far fetched, the Czechs did with the OT-810.

 

 

 

yeah i saw that in some of my research which got me thinking if this would have been the next variant, event a 251 with an 232 gun on Top as well 

 

There was the recon vehicle 251/23.

But no one is sure if it entered service.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 13, 2018 4:52 PM

T26E4
There was development of a fully tracked APC based on the Pz 38(t) series -- imagine a "Hetzer" w/o the cannon but an open compartment for grenadiers.
 

That makes sense. And it sounds like the early West German Henschel APCs which we’re eventually built. Full tracked APCs have much better mobility over half tracks, which have better off road mobility than all wheeled vehicles. The US and British had both developed basic adapted designs of full tracked carriers in the M39 (based off the M18 GMC), and the Priest & Ram Kangaroos In 1944/1945. While they are still open top and vulnerable to airburst artillery, those provided superior cross country mobility and armor protection over half tracks, and ability to keep pace with the tanks on and off road.

 

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