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Question to painting optical equipment on modern AFV's. Russian T-90.

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  • Member since
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  • From: Goteborg / Sverige
Question to painting optical equipment on modern AFV's. Russian T-90.
Posted by Svenne Duva on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:09 AM

Hi,

About to start building the T-90 and realize that this has some very prominent parts molded in clear plastic.
The T-90 has everything from the drivers hatch through to varioues periscopes and some really big stuff looking like Cameras mounted on the turret.

Would you normally paint these parts?

Svenne

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  • From: Valrico, FL
Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:30 AM

I paint them all.  To me, the clear periscopes and such are a gimmick.  They do not look like actual periscopes if left clear.  On most modern vehicles, the optics appear red/gold/purple since they are coated with anti-laser tint anyways.  On older (non-coated) optics, they look like dark slits with a green tint as well, not clear.  Painting them as opposed to leaving them clear looks more realistic to me.

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Posted by Svenne Duva on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 10:51 AM

Hello Gino,

Thank you for this reply!

I am testing with Tamiya clear acylics, painting the inside of the optical items.

Should I back them with something, like chrome-color or alufoil?

The Tamiya clear is not covering very well.

Or have I taken the wrong approach?

Svenne

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:17 AM

I install the optic, then paint over them with the hull color.  I then start by painting them black.  If non anti-laser coated, I will then apply a couple coats of clear green, followed by a couple coats of clear gloss.  For anti-laser coated optics, I cover the black with a couple coats of clear red (for US red anti-laser) and then a couple coats of the clear gloss as well.  This method works for me.  

This one has the optics around the commanders' cupola done as non anti-laser coated in the green tint.

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Posted by Svenne Duva on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 1:22 PM

Hi Gino,

Thank you for sharing this!

This will most certainly be me option for the smaller optics, like hull/turret periscopes.

I tried to paint and mask them before but that was a disaster Sad

The T-90 has some big items and I am trying something different.

Left hand, painted with Tamiya Clear Red
Right hand, painted Tamiya solid gold, not going with this...

Big one center, backed with NUTCUP cholate envelope.



Svenne

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:39 PM

Svenne Duva
Right hand, painted Tamiya solid gold, not going with this...

Start with the gold on the optic as a base, then overcoat it with clear yellow. Recoat until you get the desired depth of colour.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:30 AM

First off, that is not a T-90, but a BMPT "Terminator" which is an armored fire support vehicle built on a T-72 chassis.  It is designed to support tanks, APCs, and infantry in urban areas.

I agree with Phil as well.  I prefer paint over colored films and such.

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Posted by Svenne Duva on Friday, November 30, 2018 3:41 AM

Correct.

I am about to enter with the Terminator in the Modern Armor Group build.

The problem is the same though, the optics are very prominent.

Here is the T-90. Here  you have the added complexity of the two infrared jammers of the Shtora-1 (Штора or "curtain") system.

These are sometimes depicted in glowing red, do't think that is correct though.

Anyway, I will elaborate with your suggestion for the periscopes, this will allow me to speed up the assmebly significantly, and play arround with Phil's suggestion s well.

By the way, the Zvezda kit shares a lot of components between the T-90 and the BMPT-72. Lower hull is identical. Which means hat the BMPT-72 has the same problem with the stance the kit beeing to high.

Thank you for taking interest and time to comment.
Very much appreciated!

Svenne

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Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, November 30, 2018 6:57 AM

The same technique for the optics can be used on larger optics as well.  Here it is on the ISU of an M7A3 Bradley.

On the T-90, when the Shtora-1 system is turned on, they do glow red.

The T-90 is also built on a T-72 chassis.  It is really just an upgraded/modernized T-72B that the Soviets/Russians (developed under Soviet rule, fielded after Soviet Union fell in Dec '91) renamed to make the west think it was an all-new tank.  That is why it has common parts w/the Zvezda T-72.

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