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WIP - Tamiya King Tiger Porsche turret 1/35

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WIP - Tamiya King Tiger Porsche turret 1/35
Posted by Hobbie on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 4:55 AM

Happy new year, first of all!

I finally decided to get something done after staring at my stash for weekd and went to work on this Tamiya oldie.

I was initially saving up for the beautiful Dragon version but this one literally fell on my lap with a set of Tamiya zimmerit stickers.

So far, the kit is an absolute joy ; no seams, near perfect fit, the gun barrel only required a little sanding... with only minimum glueing, it already looked like a mean Tiger.

In my opinion, the poorest design is the fine mesh ventilation net to glue on the plastic parts ; I - of course - screwed it up because, like an idiot, I tried to glue it with instant cyano when it can be glued with regular tamiya glue. Could be worse but the setting is a little off and the fine net falls quickly apart when you cut it off.

I rarely throw anything away so I managed to save the tamiya photoetch for the air vents that I used nearly 20 years ago on the Henschel turret version. Cheap move, I know, but cost saving and doesn't look too bad! I'm still clumsy handed with the instant glue, though.

The zimmerit stickers look like they are doing the trick ; positioning is sometimes a bit tricky, I put the right side and the back a little off center but there is an extra zimmerit sticker panel that I managed to cut into to save the "blanks". Now we'll see how it handles the painting! Maybe I should try to correct the badly set endings with instant glue... I first tried with tamiya extra thin but I'm not sure about it.


 

Curious about your opinion on how to do the tracks and wheels :

- glue and paint the tracks and downsides only, wrap them then glueing and painting the rest of the tank

- glue and paint the whole tank, wheels included, and then only put the prepainted tracks?

I planned on going out-of-the box and use the vinyl tracks but Tamiya also sells separate links track sets... as long as it's not those dread three-parts links, I could live with that amount of work...

 

On a side note, I plan to use it to try out a first, simple diorama. I found out a good set of miniart figures fitting the France summer 44 setting I'd like to create. Their fit is a little loose but the poses look good, natural and the molding pretty good for plastic 1/35 figures - I love Dragon figures but their expressionless pinch-lipped faces are always kind of a bummer.

I think I'm finally getting the hang on the face painting, following closely the good old Verlinden "The System" method ; I screwed up the eyes the first time around (brush was too big, why on earth did I think I should BLEND the eyes ?!?? Bang Head ), and you can see that the second head is a little more messed up. Maybe I should do i all over...

Thanks for reading!

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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 6:06 AM

Well things are looking good and it’s a slow process but surely faster than applying Squadron putty and rolling on the Zimm pattern. 

I recently  did and posted here a wip of the Dragon KT early turret and used the Meng Zimm decals that had almost a perfect fit. I used thin CA for 99% of the Zimm decal gluing. Tamiya thin glue will not work since it only will melt plastic and not the decal material as a bonding agent. Remember to use German red primer paint in the Zimm chipped spots cuz that’s how it looked since the Zimm was applied at the factory over the primer followed by paint and the primer was seen if the Zimm got chipped off.

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:08 AM

Nice work so far, i have not trip the Zimmerite decals yet, but they look nice from what i have seen.

I always paint my wheels and tracks off the kit, that way i can get in behind them and get all of the track, it amazes me how people can paint tracks after being fitted.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:16 AM

She looks good to me! Yes

Great job on the figure faces, the upper one looks perfect and the lower one personally I'd just let it dry and then touch up the area around the eyes. It's worth a shot instead of repainting the whole darn thing. 

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Posted by Hobbie on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:21 AM

Thanks for the red primer tip!

Bish : they are stickers, not decals! You just have to cut them off with a sharp blade, they are easily repositionned but it's a bit tricky to work them in the right place when they stick immediately.

I'll try other options for other builds - decals with the new Academy Panzer IV H, resin with a Dragon Panther A, and I may have made mistake when buying a tamiya Panther with photoetched zimmerit...

Like you, I'm in awe of people painting glued on tracks... I saw some modellers paint the wheels and tracks then wrap them in paper towel and tape before assembling and painting the rest of the model... I think some put everything together for the picture then work subassemblies. I think I even saw a guy who built and paint the wheels and tracks together, but separated from the model! He just glued them on when finishing!

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 8:39 AM

Thanks for the correction, maybe its Meng ones that are decals, or they might be stickers as well. I am planning on getting a Meng Tiger II and trying their Zimm, i normally apply my own with Milliput but willing to try most things once.

''I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so''

''Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?''

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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 2:24 PM

Meng makes zimm decals for the KT and Panthers. Here's the one I used: 

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/1157959-meng-model-sps-060-sd-kfz-182-kingtiger-porsche-turret-zimmerit-decal

And on my KT:

Although being decals that need to be dipped in water to separate from the backing paper they tend to have a weak bond around the edges. I had to go back with thin CA to get good bond on certain spots.

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Posted by Hobbie on Sunday, April 14, 2019 2:46 AM

Getting off my lazy butt by episodes, I finally managed to have some work done on this kitten.

My camo scheme was sometimes off, my airbrush spattered a little, I corrected the stripes with kind of a semi-drybrushing ; it worked reasonably well.

Tried some slight chipping around the engine and crew hatches, careful not to overdo it as those machines were pretty new. Could have done better.

I made a mess with Tamiya's panel line, I tried it on the zimmerit, which was already a very stupid idea, and when I tried to swipe it with an X20 soaked q-tip (like the tag suggests), it started to attack through the Vallejo varnish (acrylic rattle can) to the paint. I think I'm the main culprit, I probably should have let the varnish coat cure for hours. Anyway, I correct most of the mess with drybrushing again and the rest should be relatively hidden.

I'm very happy with the way the engine exhausts turned on, kind of an happy accident (the primer, not very well applied gave it texture?!), just drybrush coats of flat black, red brown...

I'm considering doing a full model wash with oils and lighter fluid, to really mark the zimmerit grooves but am afraid to ruin it... opinions?

Next are pigments on the wheels, kit tracks and tools..

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, April 14, 2019 8:29 AM

The camo came out great.

Yes of course Tamiya acrylic thinner is going to attack your Vallejo acrylic clear coat.You need to think opposites,acrylic clear-enamel or lacquer wash,and vice-verses.

So your oil wash will work with the acrylic clear,but make sure it is fully cured.

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Posted by Hobbie on Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:06 AM

Oldest rule of thumb in the book, dammit!Bang Head should have stick with my regular oil wash and take more time!

Thanks Tojo!

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 15, 2019 11:28 AM

She looks pretty darn good to me. 

Tojo has good advice there. Plus I tend to let a clear coat dry a couple of days before doing anything with it. Course, I've had my own problems- I just clearcoated a TD and found a bunch of waterspots underneath it. Guess I could just overpaint them but I've of half a mind to just throw some camo nets and foliage over them. 

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  • From: Mexico
Posted by rtvmodeler on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 5:31 PM

Yes  Excellent work, the camo looks great!

Regards!
Rodolfo

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