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Trumpeter Geschutzwagen IVb *COMPLETED* 07-21-08

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, July 4, 2008 6:41 AM

Good progress and looks great.  I can't comment on accuracy but the interior looks to be nicely detailed. The breach and other things look..welll..."busy" if you know what I mean.  Looking forward to seeing all that painted.

Confused [%-)]Do I know what I mean?  Wink [;)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, July 4, 2008 1:59 PM
 wing_nut wrote:

Good progress and looks great.  I can't comment on accuracy but the interior looks to be nicely detailed. The breach and other things look..welll..."busy" if you know what I mean.  Looking forward to seeing all that painted.

Confused [%-)]Do I know what I mean?  Wink [;)]

If you don't know, nobody knows! Big Smile [:D] Appreciate the comments, the interior is fairly packed which is why it's important that everything fit just so. Lots of testfitting required as a result but nothing uncommon with an interior like this.

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Posted by Luftwoller on Friday, July 4, 2008 3:11 PM

Cracking work Bill. Really loving the build log. Youve done enough of them by now to be classed as a forum 'Experten' Bookmarked as per usuall LOL.

...Guy

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, July 4, 2008 6:37 PM
Thanks Guy, appreciate the comments. Not too sure about the "Experten" tag, but I'm always happy to share the experience and build with the community. This particular kit has its pitfalls but nothing that can't be overcome with time and patience. Wink [;)]
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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, July 4, 2008 9:27 PM

Taking full advantage of the 4th of July holiday, I actually spent most of the day outside of the house, but managed to get some build time in this evening. Not a whole lot is left at this point before paint, just the exterior turret fittings as called for in Step 19.

One of these is the spare track run holder, the spare tracks themselves, and the gun cleaning rods. The rack is a single PE piece that needs to be bent and attached to the turret sides. I ran into a problem though in that the bends have to be done very precise in order for it to fit and the bends are delicate at the ends, and in trying to correct my first bend that was a tad too short, both ends came loose. I don't blame the kit for this, but it's a word of caution for others to treat this part very very carefully.

I had decided that I would go ahead and replace the kit-supplied tracks with Model Kasten links since I have an extra set on hand and I just don't like the look of the links provided. The spare track run piece, Part C1, is a single piece representing 10 links and, in my case, was damaged on the sprue. it was almost split in two and had quite a bit of flash in the guide horns so it won't be used and a run of the MKs will replace it. This meant that the squarish locating hull in the turret rear needed to be puttied and sanded.

I also installed the two hooks, one for either side, that will hold the tow cables. The recessed weld seam on the turret side also received some putty attention, taking care to preserve the fine detail on the turret front plate sides in the process as well as the mount points for the tow cable retaining chains. I'm going to add the chains later when I install the tow cables, so they were left off for now.

The cut-outs for the tow cable hooks goes all the way through the turret, so the inside of the turret needed some putty work as well to fill in the gaps. I also filled in the gap for the square mount for the spare track holder and sanded it down even though it's largely hidden by the radio when matched up with the turret lower half, it bugged me that it was there. Wink [;)]

With that taken care of, I added the broken off ends of the spare track holder to both sides. Once the spare track run is in place, the cross bar and cleaning rods will be installed and it will look like it all belongs, at least that's the theory.

That concluded all the major assembly work for now, so I returned to the hull front and discovered there's a nice molded in hole on the front left side that nothing installs into...I thought it might be there to help locate the wiring conduit for the fender lights but it's too far back and there isn't a matching hole on the other side, so I filled and sanded it down. I added the missing wiring on both sides using 0.022" solder cut to size and glued in place with liquid glue. The liquid glue softens the plastic just enough and careful pressure with a toothpick gets a good bond between them and has the added bonus of drying fairly quickly as well.

Tomorrow I'll start the paint work on the different assemblies weather permitting.

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Sunday, July 6, 2008 11:17 AM
  wbill, great build! Love your process, very complete in in step by step proceedure. I'm taking notes. Thanks for the class Professor.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, July 6, 2008 12:50 PM
Thanks doc, appreciate the comments! I'll have an update later today since I got quite a bit of the paint work done yesterday. Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 6, 2008 9:37 PM
Very nice work, Bill...although I don't care much for this particular vehicle, it is begining to grow on me...nice interior...how does Trump's kit stack up to the DML offering? 
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, July 6, 2008 9:43 PM

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
Very nice work, Bill...although I don't care much for this particular vehicle, it is begining to grow on me...nice interior...how does Trump's kit stack up to the DML offering? 

MR, from what I've seen of sprue shots of DML's interior, DML has more detail to meet the required 60 rounds of ready ammunition vs. the Trumpeter interior which only provides for 36. DML also provides their "Gen 2" crew gear for the turret interior which will have higher detail fidelity but may, or may not, fit properly in the spaces provided. In the past with other kits, they just throw in the sprue and the dimensions don't always play nice to allow the gear to be installed as intended. Don't know if that's true for their Geschutzwagen or not though.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, July 6, 2008 9:44 PM

In order to prep for painting, I followed my usual routine of mounting all the road wheels, sprockets, idlers, and return rollers on toothpicks with small globs of blue tack poster putty to hold them in place. I masked off the appropriate diameter circles in my trusty circle template as well. The lower hull also had all of its mount points for the suspension masked off with blue tack to make it easier to install things later on and the turret was broken down into the upper and lower halves as well.

I took in progress photos while I was doing the actual paintwork but they came out poorly, probably because I was rushing in and out due to the 96+ degree heat and didn't take the time to check them properly before heading out for the next step. I primed everything with a coat of Italian Dark Brown and then applied a base coat of Panzer Gray followed up by additional applications of 2 lightened shades of Panzer Gray for variation. I'm disappointed that the photos didn't come out, but you'll be able to see the shades in some of the follow-on photos.

With the main paintwork done, I turned back to the interior of the lower hull. The wooden lattice was painted with my own special mix of wood color and then treated with alternating artist pastel doses of Black and Burnt Umber to get their look where I wanted it. You'll notice in the photo below that there are squarish looking stamp marks in the wood...I missed these when I installed them otherwise they would've been cleaned up. The tread plate area was first dry-brushed with Steel, then given a wash of Burnt Umber, and dry-brushed with lightened Panzer Gray to round out its look. It's worth noting at this point that the Trumpeter interior only provides for 36 rounds of ammunition where Spielberger says it should have 60...so I think Trumpeter skimped on this area for some reason.

Next up was the lower half of the turret. It received a Burnt Umber wash as well followed by dry-brushed lightened Panzer Gray to give it some depth and highlights. The radio had its details added and the MP40, gas mask, and gun elevation and turret traverse wheels were also further detailed.

I had a terrible time trying to get a decent shot of the added crew gear on the inside, but all of the mess kits, canteens, and gas masks were also painted and added at this point giving the turret a fully-loaded look. Everything fit well on the interior and, curiously, one of the canteens is really well detailed, C12, vs. the other two, P3. I tried to place this one in the most noticeable position to take advantage. Trumpeter went through the trouble of molding an additional canteen on this sprue, why they stopped at just one is unclear.

I also detailed the gun breech with Steel for the block and detailed the breech block handle with metalizer Gunmetal dry-brushed with Steel. The whole breech area was given the same Burnt Umber wash and dry-brushed lightened Panzer Gray treatment as the lower half. For just a little variety, I hand painted the "rabbit ears" scope in Panzer Gray to produce some shade difference and also painted the rubber eye pieces on both sights with Aircraft Interior Black.

With all the interior bits in place, I joined the upper and lower halves of the turret together. The fit was generally good but on the left side the join between the top and bottom requires some putty work to produce the required seamless area.

Next up came a return to Steps 10-13 and the installation of the various fender tools and gear. All of the different tools were removed from their sprues and some had extremely thick points on delicate parts such as the clamp handles that required very careful removal. I cut them free from the sprues first leaving plenty of attachment point in place and then trimmed it down using sprue cutters and a #11 blade, sanding as well where needed. The wire cutters and track tensioning wrench are supposed to have mount pins according the instructions and holes are provided for them in the fenders but the actual items don't have the pins molded. I also encountered a small issue with the axe in that the jack is mounted just a tad too far forward so I had to remove its pins and install directly to the fender. Otherwise everything went into place exactly as it should have. The two-piece jack block was also assembled and installed as were the spare wheels for the rear deck.

The rear hull received some attention as well. The muffler was base coated with MM Non-Buffing Metalizer Gunmetal and then given 2 successive light washes of Rust to produce its look. The metalizer has very fine metallic particles and these react perfectly with the wash to produce a rusty but not heavily corroded finish. The brake light and reflectors were painted with Tamiya Acrylic Clear Red and the Notek light with Clear Green for their lenses.

Last thing for the day was to install the road wheels and return rollers on either side. Getting the suspension to sit level was a challenge due to the off-center holes I'd mentioned back at the beginning in Step 3. To address this, I clipped off the ends of the suspension posts to varying lengths as needed wheel by wheel and glued them directly to the base of the posts since this is where they are designed to contact.

Now all that remains is to construct the MK tracks I'll be replacing the kit-supplied items and construct and install the tow cables for the turret and it will be on to the weathering stage.

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Posted by lexesbenz on Monday, July 7, 2008 12:07 AM
Looking good Bill!
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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, July 7, 2008 8:26 AM
Thanks lexes, appreciate the comments. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Specter on Monday, July 7, 2008 9:44 AM
I like it Bill, can't wait to see it doneCool [8D]
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Posted by stick man on Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM

Looks GREAT with the paint on!

Smile [:)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, July 7, 2008 1:01 PM
Thanks Specter, stick man, appreciate the comments!
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Posted by bufflehead on Monday, July 7, 2008 1:40 PM
WHAT THE.....????Shock [:O]  This thing looks like a Pz IV on steroids....the Popeye version of a Mk IV!!!  Man, this is a pretty cool looking vehicle!  The gun alone looks like someone stuck a stubbie giant 75 mm L/48 on the turret!!!  Great work as always Bill!!  Love the panzer gray you applied!  Its going to look fantastic when you're all done! 

Ernest

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Posted by caSSius on Monday, July 7, 2008 1:43 PM
Looks fantastic Bill. Thanks for all your efforts to show your build step-by-step...it's really helpful for someone new-ish to the Dark Side, such as myself.  I'm looking forward to seeing how you weather it.

Brad

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- T.S. Eliot

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, July 7, 2008 2:37 PM

 bufflehead wrote:
WHAT THE.....????Shock [:O]  This thing looks like a Pz IV on steroids....the Popeye version of a Mk IV!!!  Man, this is a pretty cool looking vehicle!  The gun alone looks like someone stuck a stubbie giant 75 mm L/48 on the turret!!!  Great work as always Bill!!  Love the panzer gray you applied!  Its going to look fantastic when you're all done! 

Laugh [(-D] That's a pretty accurate description bufflehead! It's a pygmy on the suspension but got the big 10.5 cm gun in the turret. All it needs is a can of spinach on the fender! Wink [;)] Appreciate the comments.

 caSSius wrote:
Looks fantastic Bill. Thanks for all your efforts to show your build step-by-step...it's really helpful for someone new-ish to the Dark Side, such as myself.  I'm looking forward to seeing how you weather it.

My pleasure and glad it's of help to you as a recent convert to the Dark Side. Once you come over you're here for life! Big Smile [:D] Thanks for the comments. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Luftwoller on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 3:26 AM

LOL, while reading through the post, i was thinking of a way to describe it but Buffel hit the nail on the head. 'A popeye version of a Pz IV' LOL Priceless.

Bill, she looks the dogs danglies, your on the final stretch now. Keep going fella. Were waiting with baited breath.

...Guy

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 4:35 AM

This is a great review Bill; very helpful and lucidly written. The build itself looks great--a very cool little panzerjaeger! I agree that it almost looks like a cartoon caricature of a Pz IV with an oversized turret--definitely on my list to get!

Another killler installment from bpmodels! Great job so far! 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 2:33 PM

Guy, down the homestretch now, started working on the MK replacement links (a slow process)...the clean-up effort is about the same as the kit-supplied tracks but they've got better detail and will be workable to boot, so I think it's worth it. Smile [:)]

Doog,

Thanks for dropping in while you're on the Continent!

The "experten" will recoil in horror at the fact you've labelled this one a "panzerjaeger" but I promise not to tell! I'm disappointed somewhat by the fact that Trumpeter appears to have rushed this one out the door with the various fit and engineering issues it has, but then I think DML deliberately put the pressure on them with their head-to-head release. Shame really, but that's capitalism at its finest I guess. Still, it builds up into a fair representation of the vehicle in question and it no doubt will end up being cheaper vs. the DML item in various parts of the world.   

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Posted by biffa on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 3:25 PM
Looks Great Bill the woodwork is very convincing, i liked the vehicle while you were building it and it was a "i wouldnt mind having one of those" but seeing it with paint on it really shows the features off and it has become "i have to have one of those"   Smile [:)] 
Ron g.
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 5:53 PM

 biffa wrote:
Looks Great Bill the woodwork is very convincing, i liked the vehicle while you were building it and it was a "i wouldnt mind having one of those" but seeing it with paint on it really shows the features off and it has become "i have to have one of those"   Smile [:)] 

I would love to see one of these babies in your capable hands Ron, thanks for the comments. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by ps1scw on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 6:54 PM
What color did you use to lighten the Panzer Grey?
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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 7:48 PM

 ps1scw wrote:
What color did you use to lighten the Panzer Grey?

I should've mentioned that in the write-up, but neglected it. I used Light Gray and have 2 shades mixed up in a good quantity that I keep on hand. One shade is 90/10 (Pz Gray/Light Gray) and the other is 80/20 of the same colors.

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 9:01 PM

Another fantastic build log Bill. The kit is not my cup of tea but I love your build logs....so I'm watching

Great Stuff

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, July 9, 2008 6:23 AM
Really looks nice with the paint on Bill. Love your build logs too. A great step by step.

Marc  

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 9, 2008 7:29 AM
 wbill76 wrote:

 bufflehead wrote:
WHAT THE.....????Shock [:O]  This thing looks like a Pz IV on steroids....the Popeye version of a Mk IV!!!  Man, this is a pretty cool looking vehicle!  The gun alone looks like someone stuck a stubbie giant 75 mm L/48 on the turret!!!  Great work as always Bill!!  Love the panzer gray you applied!  Its going to look fantastic when you're all done! 

Laugh [(-D] That's a pretty accurate description bufflehead! It's a pygmy on the suspension but got the big 10.5 cm gun in the turret. All it needs is a can of spinach on the fender! Wink [;)] Appreciate the comments.

 caSSius wrote:
Looks fantastic Bill. Thanks for all your efforts to show your build step-by-step...it's really helpful for someone new-ish to the Dark Side, such as myself.  I'm looking forward to seeing how you weather it.

My pleasure and glad it's of help to you as a recent convert to the Dark Side. Once you come over you're here for life! Big Smile [:D] Thanks for the comments. Thumbs Up [tup]

The interesting thing about the suspension is that it has 3 sets of leaf-spring roadwheels instead of the usual 4 sets on a standard MkIV chassis...looks great in panzer grey...
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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, July 9, 2008 8:32 AM

Redleg, WN, appreciate the comments and glad to have you along for the ride. Redleg, it is an artillery piece after all, even if it is self-propelled! Big Smile [:D]

MR,

The modifications to the standard Pz IV chassis were pretty extensive, one of the reasons in the end it was dropped in favor of the Wespe. It, like other Pz IV based chassis designs like the Dicker Max, were too complicated and would've taken away from the much-needed Pz IV production line, so they were not pursued. The GeIVb design didn't keep much from the original Pz IV layout other than the tell-tale suspension and hull profile and even that was shortened to meet the required weight called for in the design specs.

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Posted by Panther F on Monday, July 14, 2008 12:48 PM

Looking good Bill.  Mine should be here soon, and after watching your build I just had to get one too.

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