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Camel Honda colour?
Posted by SeaBee on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 1:30 AM
Having just started on it, I was quite puzzled by the instructions talking about TS16 as the yellow to use. I have used that yellow on Vale's "Nastro Azzuro" Honda - and IMHO that is no match for what I see on TV. Way too light a yellow.

What yellow did those that have built this used? I am leaning towards the aptly named "Camel Yellow" (of Tamiya) - as prescribed for kits like the Camel Lotus, the yellow on the 92 Benetton, etc. A bit deeper yellow that seems to match both the sponsorship and the yellow I see on TV and in pics.

BTW, what a race on Sunday!
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Posted by proosen on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 1:25 PM
If you want to mix your own Camel yellow as per the Lotus it's like this. X-8:10+X-6:1

Good Luck!
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Posted by Yamafreak72 on Tuesday, June 8, 2004 1:48 PM
This might sound silly, but I used Testors gloss yellow, and it's pretty close, at least as far as I can tell. Might need just a tad of lightening up, Take a look later, I'll try and post some pics.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:48 AM
Hi guys..
I work in SepangF1 circuit(malaysianGP) as volunteer marshall for the MotoGP and F1 event. I manage to snap lot of photo as reference(which I not supposed to)Tongue [:P]. The actual thing often looks dull and darker in colour on tv as compare to real life. Biaggi's bike actually look much of a brialiant yellow or lemon yellow. So, never ops for Camel yellow instead. There are a few colours which Tamiya failed to replicate correctly are TS-56 and TS-51. The Williams BMW should use Royal blue and it's non-metalic at all.
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Posted by SeaBee on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 9:36 AM
Great stuff, thanks for the feedback, guys!

Cupcai, back to the one reference point I have. How yellow was this bike (Max's) relative to Valentino's Nastro Azzuro 500 bike - the base scheme/sponsorship he had in 99 and 2000?

Could it also not be the case that the bikes was painted in a brighter yellow IRL to show up as a darker "Camel" yellow for the masses watching TV (and on film photos)? Just a thought, because I know that Team Lotus did a lot of research in painting their JPS sponsored F1's in the 80's to show up the correct black and yellow on film. As I said, just wondering - that's why I also asked you the question about the colour relative to the Nastro Azzuro yellow - if you managed to see that bike as well...
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 10:07 PM
SeaBee,
It's quite close to thoose Nastro Azzuro yellow on rossi's bike but brighter under natural light. I observed it from close range as I has the priviledge to be in the pit . TS16 came quite close but I dont know if any other paint manufacturers produce the kind of yellow which suit this bike. Modelling product in my country is quite limited. Hope Tamiya will give an option of new exaust system for all their new RC211 kit.
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Posted by SeaBee on Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:03 AM
Cupcai, thanks man! You have more or less confirmed my suspicions.

I saw this weekend's race rebroadcasted yesterday eve and had a good look. That yellow seems very bright, true, but a "deeper" yellow than the Nastro Azzuro. It very much matches what I see on the Camel-marked Williams' sidepods (FW14, etc). What the heck, I have both cans in my cupboard. Maybe I should try both on a sprue and check...

BTW, I am not that far - what is the problem with the exhaust system?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:32 AM
Mid of last year, Honda introduce a muffler-less exaust system which give them the edge on power. It definitely sounds unique and blow your ear drum off everytime the mechanics warm-up the bike. Just observe it carefully during this weekend race. All the Honda bike are using this exaust system. It's totally different design from pipe hearder to the tail. I wish I can scan all the close up photo from my collection to share with u guys soon. Currently my scanner is out of order. Pls be patience and where can I post this photo?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:54 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cupcai

Mid of last year, Honda introduce a muffler-less exaust system which give them the edge on power. It definitely sounds unique and blow your ear drum off everytime the mechanics warm-up the bike. Just observe it carefully during this weekend race. All the Honda bike are using this exaust system. It's totally different design from pipe hearder to the tail. I wish I can scan all the close up photo from my collection to share with u guys soon. Currently my scanner is out of order. Pls be patience and where can I post this photo?


The new exhaust system is actually replicated in the Tamiya June release of the 2003 Rossi Valencia ride (you know tha Austin Powers inspired livery). Have a look at the pictures at HLJ http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?TAM14097 where you can see the exhaust. Mabe shop for some spares?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:42 PM
Great news indeed!
Looks like Im gonna grab another box of RC211 soon. Somehow, the chasis satin chrome plating for this kit simply too shiny as compare to the real thing.
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Posted by SeaBee on Friday, June 11, 2004 1:21 AM
Ahhhh... like this:

http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?S27FP1205

It may give you another alternative. And yeah, the chrome plating is allways too shiny! Aaahhh... the smell of amonia in the morning... Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 1:41 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SeaBee

Ahhhh... like this:

http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?S27FP1205

It may give you another alternative. And yeah, the chrome plating is allways too shiny! Aaahhh... the smell of amonia in the morning... Smile [:)]


Yes, that's the one, but to spend 2500 yen on mufflers when you get the whole kit for the same amount, and then with more easy worked plastic parts it seems like an easy choice.
Stripping of the chrome plating is, in my eyes, one of the most important steps towards a real looking bike. Drilling the brake discs, exchanging the hoses, heat staining the exhaust...I can go on and on about details that will take the model to a higher level but filling and stripping the plating and painting the frame and swing arm with Alclad II Polished Aluminum takes it SO far!
/Joel www.onetwelvth.com
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Posted by SeaBee on Monday, June 14, 2004 3:54 AM
Joel, agree with you on the choice. I just let him know the option is available. BTW: Alclad is not optainable here, do you have a reliable stockist? And which one to go for? It seems there are more than one (from what I saw in another discussion)

Now for another question. The kit includes blue 3's. It is much more colourfull than white, but from what I remember it seemed Max rode with a white #3 most of the time... Or can anyone clarify when he rode blue and when white? I know there were times he rode with the blue 3, but when and what was the "reasoning" behind it?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 7:00 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SeaBee

It is much more colourfull than white, but from what I remember it seemed Max rode with a white #3 most of the time... Or can anyone clarify when he rode blue and when white? I know there were times he rode with the blue 3, but when and what was the "reasoning" behind it?


Hmm, I don't agree with you there. approx the same amount of races. Have to dig further though to get some facts on why he was shifting the number color. I agree the blue three looks better though.
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Posted by leemitcheltree on Monday, June 14, 2004 7:41 AM
Yeah,
It's strange how much the T.V. can wash out colors - I've been in the pits at Phillip Island and have seen the bikes up close and personal - the colors in real life are nothing like the colors you see on the telecast.
Tamiya probably has done a great deal of research on the Camel color, and I'm sure they've mixed their paint to match color chips provided to them.......after all, they've paid the license fee to reproduce the decals.

Cheers, LeeTree
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Posted by SeaBee on Monday, June 14, 2004 8:02 AM
Joel, yes, it might have been 50-50 - it just felt to me like he used the white 3 more. The times he actually used the blue 3, I was almost relieved. The first pics I saw of it was with the blue 3, but then saw (though it's not very easy to see) the white 3 creep up. Just when I started thinking he's gone that way to make it easier to distinguish his bike, there was a race or so with blue 3 again. Then it disappeared again. Then...

It also does not seem to related to tobacco vs non-tobacco colourschemes. Weird one, that. But I'll also dig around a bit...
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Posted by SeaBee on Monday, June 14, 2004 8:34 AM
I profusely appologise... Blush [:I]Blush [:I]Blush [:I]

I just had a look at his website and lo and behold... unless they load up incorrect photo's, he raced in blue with white trimming in ALL the races. I could have sworn that he used a full white 3 at a lot of races. There was one photo which showed what I suspect happened. Once again, it seems to be TV coverage! One photo from reasonably side-on looked very much like a white 3, with another in the same race meeting showing the blue 3. Alas, when I picked the photo to view it large format, it was also a blue 3's.

He switched to white 3 this season. Maybe (once again) for ease of identification 3 and 6 much easier confusable than 3 and 11...

So, sorry all, the mystery is solved. Unless somebody else tells me otherwise! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 9:52 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SeaBee

I profusely appologise... Blush [:I]Blush [:I]Blush [:I]

He switched to white 3 this season. Maybe (once again) for ease of identification 3 and 6 much easier confusable than 3 and 11...


Aha, so the bikes in white that I have pictures of are actually 2004 season bikes?
/Joel - who is glad the mystery came to an end
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:29 AM
The colour of the no. on the bike usually is for the team to determine bike #1 and bike no.2(spare bike). In MotoGP class, each rider are allow to have 2 bikes each weekend. The rider usually have their favourite bike even though both bike have the same spec, somehow it has different feel. Quite funny huhh!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:08 PM
why don't you try tamiya xf 60 dark yellow and x8 lemon yellow 2:1
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:00 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by re9za

why don't you try tamiya xf 60 dark yellow and x8 lemon yellow 2:1


I don't use acrylics for painting cowling parts, takes ages to dry and doesn't leave a polishable surface in my opinion. But hey, that's just me...Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 3:37 AM
This thread is useless without pics!!! Tongue [:P]
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Posted by SeaBee on Tuesday, July 6, 2004 6:31 AM
Hey Joel, you DON'T want to see pics at this stage. It looks terrible! (This being a family show and all...)

I think I will have to remove all the paint (what's the best way of doing this with laquer paint?) and slap on a layer of base coat. First time I've had such probs with TS paints. Maybe the nozzle is a bit different, bit it seems very "thin". Coverage crappy and it tends to "pool" very easily - all corners and depressions seems to draw the paint like a magnet!

It is a very old can I only recently opened, but it's very weird. I thought a second layer would help... alas, it worsened the problem! The colour itself, is what I wanted. Maybe not "correct", but it looks right to me. Having worked with TS16 recently in our GB, I am very glad I went this way, as it will never look like a Camel bike in that shade of yellow! Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to model the thing the way I perceive it to be.
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Posted by SeaBee on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:25 AM
Hmmm... (very thoughtfull)
Yesterday eve the paint has cured and looked MUCH better. I had to sand a little, since there seem to be a lot of stuff suddenly floating around in the air - all of which are magnetically inclined towards wet models... Gave it another quick layer (so thin you can actually still see the places where I had to sand a bit more). But now I'm happy and will give it the final coat(s) when more assembled.
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Posted by SeaBee on Monday, July 12, 2004 3:02 AM
Joel, here's a pic to compare the Camel Yellow to the "normal" Yellow (TS16). The latter is what was suggested by Tamiya and is the colour I'm using in our GB - seen here on the Astra doors. For me, the Camel works better. Again, here is slight discolouration due to flash...

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2004 6:57 AM
Seabee,
Sorry to say that Camel yellow will never match the real thing. Unless you like it this way. TS-16 definitely the closest match.
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Posted by SeaBee on Monday, July 12, 2004 8:08 AM
The photo actually does not do the colours justice. Was just to show the relative difference between the two. IRL the Camel yellow is brighter and the TS16 is almost luminous relative to it. It (Camel) came out too orangey on this photo, but it might just be exposure one the black background.

Cupcai, I do appreciate your comments! Thumbs Up [tup] Thanks for them. You are one of the few who've come up close and personal with these guys. You may yet "convert" me! I have a build I'm busy with and will re-evaluate this once that one's painting (TS16) is done. Still far from the bike's exterior, so much time to change/lighten it, should it be needed.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 12, 2004 11:15 AM
I find it really hard to reproduce thoose engine colour which mostly made of either magnesium, alloy or some other high tech material. MM have lots of superb matelizer paint but the metallic powder in it is simply too shiny for GP bike engine. Normally I will not over weather the engine and other component too much as GP machines are always kept clean.
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Posted by proosen on Monday, July 12, 2004 1:33 PM
I have to agree with Joel about the acrylics, you guys that can make it work...I bow to you Bow [bow] I think it's crap on a bodyshell, of all cars I tried to paint with acrylics only one came through with an acceptable finish. On that one I had to do the hood three or four times before it worked out. Like Joel says, it's hard to polish it out as it's to soft. On my Pennzoil I tried two times with acrylics Grumpy [|(] before I ordered the appropriate TS-color from HLJ...and whizzz...the paint work got on without any problems at all.

Niclas
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Posted by SeaBee on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:39 AM
Cupcai: Joel is the expert here. But what I tend to do is either go with metalizers or (most often) the Tamiya new metallic paints. The give it a very light wash & drybrush. I have recently discovered TS47 (I think) - light gunmetal. Had to use it on another kit. When it went on, some lights went on for me and I might very well try that ons my next engine, esp for that mix they want between metallic grey and X-32 (or is it 31?)

Proosen: TS paints rule for exterior finishing!! Big Smile [:D] Sign - Ditto [#ditto] For me, well worth the expense.
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