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  • Member since
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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:24 PM

Tanker, yeah I probably should have gone with steel or even bronze for the gun metal....I had aluminum in the drawer so I went with it!  I actually thought the weathering coat would have brought the brightness down a lot more....c'est la vie.  I can live with it. :)

Mark, I learned about using oil paints for washes when I got serious about building models of sailing ships...I wanted them to look old and worn and more....well, wooden-looking.  I tried using thinned model paint and other typical washes but I wasn't able to get the exact result I was looking for.  I have built several ships by now (you can find some of my WIPs on the Ships section of this forum, if you're interested in seeing the effect in more dramatic fashion!), and a couple of really talented guys over there were using things like wood stain and oil paint to get a nice weathered patina (docidle and millard, whom I now count as friends)...they showed me some techniques which I kinda modified and developed into my own style...using artists oil paints can be a bit more laborious, but I find it offers more freedom to the level of effect, and also the ability to blend colors more naturally.

Anyway, I'm glad you like the Blackbeard so far....

Thanks!
Dave

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  Revell Cutty Sark 1/96

 

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  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:11 PM

Dang bud, your Blackbeard is looking awesome! Is there any genre of modeling that you cannot do fabulous work in? 

Anyway, wishing you and your's a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

Steve

       

 

 

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Friday, December 22, 2017 8:01 AM

Hey Steve!

There is one genre of modeling that I tried and just couldn't get anywhere in....underwear modeling!  Boom!  jk

Thanks for the compliment!  I'm not sure if I'll do another figure after this one's finished....maybe.  But if I do, I'll definitely want to find a kit/manufacturer/material of higher resolution and quality...there's a lot of crummy fit on this one, sadly.

I hear resin cast kits can be a bit more user-friendly, might see if I can find a compelling subject with that media.  Otherwise, I might respond to the beckoning call that emanates from my stash of ship models....

Anyway, it's good to hear from you, hope things are going swell, and you have a great holiday!    Um.....didja see the new Star Wars??  I liked it, but I have certain mixed feelings.

Dave

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  Revell Cutty Sark 1/96

 

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  • From: Plano (Dallas), Texas
Posted by mmthrax on Friday, December 22, 2017 1:02 PM

Hello Dave, 

Thanks so much for the response.  That is really neat stuff.  I managed to find your WIP of the Soleil Royal, but the pics aren't present.  I'll see if your friends have any WIP threads that I can read.  Thanks again for the info.

mmthrax

Just keep picking away at it...

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Friday, December 22, 2017 2:03 PM

Oh, you know what?  I used to use Photobucket to host my pics for the ship wips, until they decided to hold them all hostage...I didn't realize all my photos are gone now....what a drag.

I suppose someday I may have to upload all my old stuff from my pc to flickr and edit all those posts...

Sorry about that.

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  Revell Cutty Sark 1/96

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, December 23, 2017 8:44 AM

Dave: If you go with a newer figure kit they'll probably be easier to work with than this one. The newer resin and vinyl stuff tends to be much easier to work with since you're generally not assembling front and back pieces for each part and having to deal with those seams. Even the newer injection molded kits the seams should be less work.  

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed." -G.K. Chesterton

 

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Sunday, December 24, 2017 11:51 AM

Thanks for the advice...I'm looking around for more figure kits online, resin, vinyl or even quality molds of styrene...if I find one I really like, I might go for another attempt right away.

I got all the final assembly done, and took a few pictures.

 

 20171224_093432 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

 20171224_093503 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

 20171224_093519 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

My final verdict is that it looks okay, but I need two things:  More experience with figure painting; and a better quality kit!  Not too shabby for my first first try, though :)

Thanks to everyone for the advice and support, I'll be sure and post a new WIP for the next time I build a figure.

Cheers,

Dave

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  Revell Cutty Sark 1/96

 

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  • From: Hatboro, PA
Posted by Justinryan215 on Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:24 PM

David_K

Thanks for the advice...I'm looking around for more figure kits online, resin, vinyl or even quality molds of styrene...if I find one I really like, I might go for another attempt right away.

I got all the final assembly done, and took a few pictures.

 

 20171224_093432 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

 20171224_093503 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

 20171224_093519 by Dave Kump, on Flickr

My final verdict is that it looks okay, but I need two things:  More experience with figure painting; and a better quality kit!  Not too shabby for my first first try, though :)

Thanks to everyone for the advice and support, I'll be sure and post a new WIP for the next time I build a figure.

Cheers,

Dave

 

 

I think it looks great!  My critique would be to learn to use color variation...this whole display leans very heavy to the red/browns.  I know that most of it is the portion of the wood ship, but I think even that could use variation.  Basically, it's very monochromatic,  and there isn't anything to move your eye around the scene.  No balance.

Also, it seems to be a bit shiny, as evidenced by the flash hotspots in the pictures.  Even brushing on some decanted flat clear will help that...

 

Overall, not bad!  Just keep practicing!   I do have to recommend modelcellar.com and his resin figures!  I've been impressed with everything I've purchased from hin, thusfar!

 

"...failure to do anything because someone else can do better makes us rather dull and lazy..."

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:53 PM

Oh gee, if you can make this old figure look this good you shouldn't have any issues with any figure kit! 

Really, that's a terrific job!!! 

 

Guess I disagree with you a little there Justin, I like the warm reds, browns, tan, and gold colour scheme. I've always had better luck with sticking to some complementary colour like this than using a greater variation. Suppose it's just a matter of taste though! 

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed." -G.K. Chesterton

 

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  • From: Plano (Dallas), Texas
Posted by mmthrax on Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:42 PM

Really great job.  It is very, very cool.  I'll be watching for your next one.  Don't wait too long.  Smile

Just keep picking away at it...

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  • From: Hatboro, PA
Posted by Justinryan215 on Monday, December 25, 2017 5:23 AM

Gamera

Oh gee, if you can make this old figure look this good you shouldn't have any issues with any figure kit! 

Really, that's a terrific job!!! 

 

Guess I disagree with you a little there Justin, I like the warm reds, browns, tan, and gold colour scheme. I've always had better luck with sticking to some complementary colour like this than using a greater variation. Suppose it's just a matter of taste though! 

 

 I only suggested that because I'm getting a Peter pan/captain hook/cartooney feel from the monochrome....I feel it only needs slight variation, even just some wood color variation would probably do it for me!

"...failure to do anything because someone else can do better makes us rather dull and lazy..."

Mortal as I am,I know that I am born for a day.  But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the Earth...

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, December 25, 2017 8:07 AM

Justinryan215

 

 
Gamera

Oh gee, if you can make this old figure look this good you shouldn't have any issues with any figure kit! 

Really, that's a terrific job!!! 

 

Guess I disagree with you a little there Justin, I like the warm reds, browns, tan, and gold colour scheme. I've always had better luck with sticking to some complementary colour like this than using a greater variation. Suppose it's just a matter of taste though! 

 

 

 

 I only suggested that because I'm getting a Peter pan/captain hook/cartooney feel from the monochrome....I feel it only needs slight variation, even just some wood color variation would probably do it for me!

 

Ah ok, I see your point! Sorry about the misunderstanding. 

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed." -G.K. Chesterton

 

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  • From: Hatboro, PA
Posted by Justinryan215 on Monday, December 25, 2017 8:54 PM

No need to apologize!   I didn't see it as a misunderstanding...just a difference of opinion.  Besides, we were in agreement...it is outstanding work!

"...failure to do anything because someone else can do better makes us rather dull and lazy..."

Mortal as I am,I know that I am born for a day.  But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the Earth...

 

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 6:19 AM

David !

 I know some are quibbling about the semi-glossy finish in photos .Ya know what ? This is your first figure and I excuse that kind of stuff ! When you get to the fourth figure I will then critique that shine .

 Now , that said , He's truning quickly to one side .The belt with pistols flying outward from his momentum is good . The edges on both sides being done right , help .

 All , in all , for your first , Well done ! ! 

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 11:38 AM

That's a great finish, Dave!  I think you've done a great job with what is essential an older, simpler kit, applying "serious" figure painting techniques, shall we say, such as shading and highlighting.  These old Aurora kits don't necessarily lend themselves to such techniques, though a good modeler or figure painter should be able to take any but the most absolutely awful kit and make it work.  That is, for as advanced as these were when they were released-and they represented a very ambitious decision on Aurora's part-they are relatively simple, compared to the standard we have today.

As far as resin versus styrene is concerned, I wouldn't say that resin is necessarily easier to work with.  Again, that's a matter of experience and skill; resin is simply a different animal from styrene, with its own things to look for, and its own prerequisite skills to work.  But I do think it's correct to say that resin casting allows a maker to produce a figure with crisper details than injection molding.  Especially in the figure world, we can see examples of subjects which have been produced in styrene and in resin, and the molding process produces crisper detail.  For example, in the catalog of Maschinen Krieger subjects, the crew figures in Hasegawa's Falke kit have been re-issued in resin, and if we compare them, we can see the difference.  Crisper details make it easier to paint, though again, once a painter hones his skills, he can probably make the styrene figure look better, it just takes more work.  Again, I think you've done a great job with your Blackbeard.

I can see the point about a monochrome subject.  Maybe if his coat were blue, it would break things up a bit.  But it's not that big a deal.

As far as a glossy or matte finish goes, yeah, I use DullCote on my "serious" figures, while I use a gloss finish on my 54mm toy soldiers.  I have to refer to Maschinen Krieger again, and tell you how I see many of the Japanese painters paint their figures to a semi-gloss finish, where we'd expect them to be dead matte.  I think some of it comes from using lacquers as a preference, rather than acrylics or enamels as many of us do.  But it also seems to be a choice that many of them make, a style that they paint to.

I look forward to your next project, whether you pick another classic kit like this one, or a newer figure.  Keep stretching your skills!  I also recommend trying a wet palette, if you're using acrylics.  It really makes using them so easy.

Best regards,

Brad

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Posted by David_K on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 4:59 PM

Hey Guys-

I appreciate your opinions and suggestions!

As far as the *gloss* sheen, the colors I used are all flat colors...the oil paint wash keeps a slight sheen to it for several weeks as the oil fully cures out of the paint.  I've been using oil paints for years on model ships, it always takes time to mellow out.

I actually think the color scheme I chose is great, and it came out more or less exactly how I expected it to...one of those things where beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right?  If it seems jarring to anyone, perhaps something is lost in the lighting of the photos?  Or maybe my taste is exclusive.  lol

Also, I'm keeping an eye out for another compelling subject in figures...maybe a monster or zombie figure might be fun...Industria Mechanika has a figure called The Chrononaut that I like the looks of, but it's a bit spendy and also out of stock....

I'll definitely post a WIP if anything comes up....

Meanwhile, I hope everyone had a great holiday!

Thanks,

Dave 

 

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  Revell Cutty Sark 1/96

 

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  • From: Hatboro, PA
Posted by Justinryan215 on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 7:04 PM

David_K

Hey Guys-

I appreciate your opinions and suggestions!

As far as the *gloss* sheen, the colors I used are all flat colors...the oil paint wash keeps a slight sheen to it for several weeks as the oil fully cures out of the paint.  I've been using oil paints for years on model ships, it always takes time to mellow out.

I actually think the color scheme I chose is great, and it came out more or less exactly how I expected it to...one of those things where beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right?  If it seems jarring to anyone, perhaps something is lost in the lighting of the photos?  Or maybe my taste is exclusive.  lol

Also, I'm keeping an eye out for another compelling subject in figures...maybe a monster or zombie figure might be fun...Industria Mechanika has a figure called The Chrononaut that I like the looks of, but it's a bit spendy and also out of stock....

I'll definitely post a WIP if anything comes up....

Meanwhile, I hope everyone had a great holiday!

Thanks,

Dave 

 

 

Again, I think it looks great, and the most important thing is that it hit your artistic Vision!  Especially as a first attempt? Awesome!  Keep on honing those skills and you will be an expert in no time!

As for another project that's not so "spendy"?  Check out the Hawk classics` Silly Surfers...I was able to snag all four of the silly Surfers for 40 bucks on amazon.  They are styrene and much larger than the figures I usually do...

Keep it up, and show off the awesome work!

"...failure to do anything because someone else can do better makes us rather dull and lazy..."

Mortal as I am,I know that I am born for a day.  But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the Earth...

 

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  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Thursday, January 04, 2018 10:24 PM

Dave,

I think your Blackbeard came out awesome bud!  I know that the oils will mellow with age, unlike myself. I liked your stuff here so I picked up the semi new Star Lord figure, I believe it’s from Pegasus Models, but I’ll have to check again. Anyway, the dry fitting is tight so there will be a minimum of putty work. I started using the Perfict Plastic Putty a couple of weeks ago and I really love it. It will be perfect for my physical therapy since it has large pieces.

I finally saw the new Star Wars film, so I’ll have to email you and compare notes.

Greatwork as always,

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by David_K on Saturday, January 06, 2018 10:19 AM

Thanks, Steve!
It would be cool to see some photos of your star lord once you get it going :)

I'm actually tossing around the idea of buidling the big revell cutty sark next...need to go through some prelim planning and see if I'm ready to commit to it.  Seems like with a ship from the *more recent* era, it might not be appropriate to use weathering oils on it...

Dave

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Current Project:  Atlantis Blackbeard Pirate Figure 1/10

Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

Next Up:  Revell Cutty Sark 1/96

 

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Posted by UnwaryPaladin on Saturday, January 06, 2018 6:50 PM

He looks great! I like how you painted his face. The bright metal is fine on the pistols, many times the lock and barrel were polished bright. And with a captain, I'm sure they were kept bright. Rusty and corroded locks don't work! (I shoot flintlocks, very meticulous with cleaning!) 

Also, probably a little late, but the Tamiya putty cleans up very well with acetone. I use it on a Qtip to smooth out the seams, eliminates a lot of sanding and blends very well. 

 

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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, January 09, 2018 12:59 PM

UnwaryPaladin

Also, probably a little late, but the Tamiya putty cleans up very well with acetone. I use it on a Qtip to smooth out the seams, eliminates a lot of sanding and blends very well.

I use a similar method, using Squadron white putty.  I'll either apply the putty to the model, and then use the cotton swab to wipe away the excess putty, or, I'll mix a little of the putty and a couple drops of acetone together in a little glass jar.  I apply this using an old paintbrush; I call it my home-made Mr. Surfacer.

Either way, it lets me apply just enough putty to the seam and remove the excess, reducing the amount of sanding to do when the putty cures.  And that reduces or eliminates the amount of detail that might get lost in sanding.

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