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120mm USMC Captain Desert Storm - Verlinden - DONE!!! Page 4

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120mm USMC Captain Desert Storm - Verlinden - DONE!!! Page 4
Posted by Pawel on Friday, December 25, 2020 3:17 PM

Hello!

about two years ago I have built a dio from Verlinden:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/5/p/177847/1998702.aspx

It was his "Good morning Vietnam". The build and the discussion here was a lot of fun, and I got a lot of help from you - so I thought I'd try it again, and I really need help here, as this is not a Vietnam subject - the figure shows a Marine from Desert Storm in a "Chocolate Chip" uniform - not my speciality. It could be though, that a real life Captain like this started his military career in the last years of Vietnam, right?

I got the set really cheap in a well-camouflaged model shop in Germany and there are no builds of this set on the net, so I thought let's post one.

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

Here's how the parts look like - I already cut off some pour blocks and did some repairs to parts damaged in the box - still some more left to do. The head is already on a holder for painting, as I plan to start with that:

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

 

I'd like you, friends to point out all the Verlinden-itis symptoms on this one - maybe I can correct them - and maybe help me out on the camouflage pattern. Thanks in advance for your help and please stay tuned, have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by Pawel on Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:10 PM

Hello!

I have googled for images of USMC officers and I had a hard time finding one with a moustache - so I think I'm going to correct that on the figure.

What do you say - how probable would it be to have the captain have a moustache?

Have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:23 PM

Captain Brian Chontosh had a mustache in Iraq, I think that was in 2004.  You can find video from CNN with him in it.

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:26 PM

I did this Verlinden stinger gunner years ago and the paintjob isn't that bad.  Get a good reference and take your time

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:35 PM

Not sure how clear this will come across - if you give me an email I'll send the pic to you - page 79 out of Verlinden Productions Modeling Magazine Volume 2 Number 3

 

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:36 PM

Uh Oh!

 That last photo, looks to much like General Swartzkopf. Now for your information there were a lot of Marines with Mustaches.It's just not done in anything requiring The typical P.R. Marine Photo-You Know Dress Uniform and at Attention type stuff. We got hammering dirty,wet and scuzzy. Still, some Officers gave us permission to wear a brush. "Not Extreme ," You Hear!!"? Sir! Yes Sir!"" Thank You, Sir"

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Posted by Pawel on Saturday, December 26, 2020 3:56 PM

Eaglecash867, TB - thanks a lot for the info. I think I may leave the moustache, I'll just tone it down a bit.

John - thanks a lot for the photos, they sure help a lot. I also sent you the e-mail.

Thanks again and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Glamdring on Saturday, December 26, 2020 7:35 PM

The USMC does allow mustaches, from their grooming standards:

  • A mustache may be worn after recruit training, but the face must be clean shaven daily. The mustache will be neatly trimmed and must be contained within imaginary vertical lines from the corners of the mouth and the margin area of the upper lip. The individual length of a mustache hair fully extended must not exceed 1/2 inch.

Good luck to you!  Feel free to join the 30th Anniversary Gulf War GB with this, if you want to.  Either way I will be following this one!

Robert

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, December 27, 2020 7:57 AM

Hi Pawel;

      I forgot to say he looks better than I did after my last tour.Yes, As a "Gunny" I did have the Brush! I only went a month after transfer from the Navy and got my permission for the brush. It was a short " Handle-Bar " in the Navy. Our ship's Captain allowed them as long as they were shorter than His. He was a Holdover from Korea and the waning Days of W.W.2 and a "Mustanger" to boot.

 A " Mustanger" was an officer who worked his way up through the ranks to the Bridge of His own ship. He, Commander Turner, also did it from the Engine Room! So, He had a soft spot for any " B " or " M " division sailors and "Petty Officers"

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, December 27, 2020 1:18 PM

Pawel
It could be though, that a real life Captain like this started his military career in the last years of Vietnam, right?

1973 to 1991 being 18 years, our putative O-3 would have to be a "mustang"--prior enlisted and advance through the ranks by way of an officer accesion program(MESEP, OCS, PLC, etc.)

A Marine O-3 will be pretty salty, at least 4 years' experience, potentially a Company commander, or a Battalion (or Regiment) staff officer.

That Verlinden color image is terrible, too--chocolate chips are very tan, to nearly a yellow ocher or sand sort of base.  The green components are a mix of sage to near schwartzgrun sort of color.  The images further along are better references.

Now, the boots almost certainly need to be green & black jungle boots--the desert boots were not readily available until around 1992--well after the "100 days."

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, December 27, 2020 1:58 PM

Norm, his D-Boys entourage, and a few other SF types, had access to British or Saudi all tan desert boots in 1991. 

 

 

ODA 525 prior to insertion into Iraq on a strategic reconnaissance road watch op in Feb 1991.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Pawel on Sunday, December 27, 2020 3:22 PM

TB - musta been really somethin', serving under such an officer!

Capn - sure counted on your help on this one! The Verlinden model looks like an older, respectable Marine, maybe the good old Francois wanted to show a "mustang" with his miniature.

I generally planned to do a lighter colour uniform on my figure, than the one seen on the boxtop photo.

stik - good to see you on my thread! I think I'll go with classic jungle boots here. I read the good ole' Norm employed a lieutenant or a captain to keep his bathroom clean - I wouldn't want to model someone like that...

That's a very nice photo you posted - wouln't you have any showing a "chocolate chip" camo?

I also wanted to ask you about this one thing I first noted looking at the "Three Kings" movie - that woodland camo vest, in the movie it looks a bit like they wear woodland at night and "chocolate chip" underneath that and during the daytime. Can you tell me more on the woodland/chocolate chip mixture?

Thanks a lot for your great comments and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:14 PM

Gen Schwarzkopf was an interesting soldier. It is reputed that he loved his enlisted troops but was hell on his staff officers. I can look and see what I can find for SOF troops in chocolate chips.

As far as ODA 525 goes, their hide site for road overwatch was in a farm area of the Euphrates Valley, and was green with vegetation at that time. The BDUs make more sense than DCUs for that locale. 

My understanding was that many recently arrived units from Europe, such as VIIth Corps did not get DCUs until after the cease fire. But then again, aside from XVIIIth Airborne Corps out west, all US heavy forces were in MOPP gear in case of chemical attack. The MOPP suits came in either solid olive green or woodland camo. I havent seen Three Kings in years, but I think that they had woodland MOPP suits on in the movie over their DCUs.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:44 PM

Found a photo of a Delta team wearing chocolate chips DCUs during Scud hunting ops in Deserts Storm

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 27, 2020 7:40 PM

Don't know enough to give any advice but I can supply moral support- this looks really cool Pawel and good luck with him!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, December 28, 2020 7:09 AM

Ah, Pawel!

 This is an Officer that endgendered, Duty, Honor, and Country to his men. I don't know how he did it , But I imagine there was OCS or something like that for him as well. But I will say this.The Crew would,ve Gone to Hell and Back for that man and our ship. Now I cannot speak for the other officers. I know that NO One trusted or liked the X.O. He came across as a Sleazeball.

     Oh, he( The X.O.) also came from a Heavy Cruiser that De-Commissioned. I don't think he liked FRAM destroyers anyway. Or any Destroyer at that, Especially one that was as older than he was. I had worn out Sergeant level M.O.S.s after my transfer to the Marine Corps, and Was offered a Warrant after school. I turned it down.

 Althoutgh I do respect the Uniform, If I cannot respect the Man I cannot do it. To many Line Officers look down on OCS and other step-ups as lesser than they and don't mind showing it. The Academy grads are the worst!

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:11 AM

Hello!

Thanks a lot for your great comments.

Stik - thank you for the photo references. Can you tell me more on the ODA 525? It's the first time I hear the name of this unit mentioned.

Gamera - I can use moral support, too! Welcome!

TB - a good boss is a treasure, in the military probably even more than in a civilian job where you don't need to put your life on the line.

I'm having a few days off between the holidays - so there's no better opportunity to clock some modelling time! Here's what I did with the face of my fig. First I put on some Tamiya grey spray primer, I let it dry and then I put on a layer of Humbrol 63:

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

This needs to dry well - 24 hours or more. Once this is dry I put on some dark brown wash made out of Humbrol brown paint diluted with airbrush thinner:

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

Now this wash doesn't need to be dry before I mix white paint with (very little of) the same brown used before, getting a pale pink shade, that I dry-brush on the face to create highlights. Here's the effect:

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

I've also tried to bend the colours a little by applying some acrylics. Those were the Games Workshop "Kislev Flesh" and "Cadian Fleshtone" (those names!) - they turned out to be almost perfect match to what already had been there:

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

Finally I took some more Games Workshop dark grey and painted the eyes and the moustache:

Verlinden 120mm (1/16) USMC Marine during Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait 631

The lower lip was also painted brown - it's hard to spot in the photo but it really makes a difference.

Now I need to work on the cover - I'd be glad for some references. I'm especially interested in how the underside of the visor looked - or the correct name of the cap, so I can google for more references.

Thanks for looking and have a ncie day

Paweł

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:46 AM

Aha!

 Don't forget Pawel, The Globe and Anchor would be Black, or on the miniature, shades therof. I have one little figure of a German farmer. In 1/35, Don't remember where I got him , but he turned out looking like an early picture of Josef Stalin.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:00 AM

ODA 525 was a team from 5th Group inserted into the Euphrates Valley on a road watch mission on the eve of the ground war in Feb.1991. Their hide site was compromised, and they had to hold off numerically  superior Iraqi Forces for hours, eventually with the help of danger close close air support until they could be extracted.

 

once again another nice long detailed reply eliminated by FSMs soup sandwich forum iOS interface.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:03 AM

Hi Stik;

 Just a little gem here. In all the services a hat is referred to as a cover.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:14 AM

Tanker-Builder

Hi Stik;

 Just a little gem here. In all the services a hat is referred to as a cover.

 

Not in the US Army. Headgear is referred to by the name of the item: Helmet, soft cap/patrol cap, beret, garrison cap, etc.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:12 PM

Cool, like how this is coming Pawel! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 6:07 PM

Hello everybody!

Thanks a lot for your comments!

While researching the "Utility cover" - I was mainly looking for good woodland pattern for the cap - I've found a "Verlindenitis" symptom to get rid of:

"Unlike the Army, Marines do not wear rank insignia on the cover, instead there is an Eagle, Globe, and Anchor in the middle of the cap" - but the good ole Francois managed to squeeze captain bars under the EGA (Eagle-Globe-Anchor). I have to remove them before I go on with painting.

Have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 9:10 PM

One other thing. The EGA worn on the utility cover is usually an iron on transfer, not  a metal device.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 8:13 AM

Yeah, I've read about that too! It's tempting to leave it as is for ease of painting.. The question now - how unlikely would it be for a Marine officer to have something like that? If you tell me it's a no go, I'd probably shave the metal EGA off and try to paint on something, or look for a decal.

Thanks a lot and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 8:26 AM

Maybe you could lightly scribe around the edges of the EGA before shaving it off, and that would also help keep sharp edges for your simulated iron-on?

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 9:57 AM

Sorry Pawel;

 When I was in you had a choice and most opted for the Metal Device. Many used the Iron -On Device only to have it start peeling off.The early ones weren't that sticky!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 9:59 AM

Well;Stik, See there.

Things do change. My brothers(101stAirborne and 82nd Airborne called theirs Covers!)

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 11:21 AM

Pawel, I’d suggest that you do an image search. It’s likely gonna be pretty rare to find a metal EGA on the cover in that era. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 6:40 PM

Actually,Stik:

     You are about 95% correct. So Pawel would be correct going with the Iron On look too. Either way would look okay. I had both so it is really a moot point. Our Major preferred we present with the Metal one. As far as the field it was our call.

    I really preffered anything But Metal. Metal can make noise! Noise is your enemy!

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