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K’tinga from Polar Lights: Still More Light Tests

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Posted by hogfanfs on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:16 AM

Hey Real G,

I'm sure you have heard of TenaControls? They can probably point you in the right direction on lighting for this k'tinga.

 Bruce

 

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                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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Posted by Rambo on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 6:46 AM
I know this is a big kit but how much room is inside it?

Clint

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Posted by armornut on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:33 AM

   Ok Real G, ya gotta do a WIP build on this one. Please. 

      I was thinking of putting on off the starboard bow of my NX1701 however a previous post mentioned the K'tinga came later the the ST universe.

     Still ubercool and SOMEDAY my stash may be invaded by the Klingon Empire.

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:28 PM

Armornut, yes I will definitely post WIPs!  But I need to figure out the lighting mods before glue hits plastic.

If you have Klingons on your starboard bow, you will risk incurring that annoying yet funny "Star Trekkin" song!

"It's a Star Trek kit, but not as we know it,

Not as we know it,

Not as we know it.

It's a Star Trek kit, but not as we know it,

Not as we know it,

Captain."

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Posted by armornut on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:44 PM

     BAAAHAAHAha thank Real G now my day has finished as it started.....pretty good. It was the time in between that was kinda bumpy.

       "Klingons off the Starboard bow"?

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:46 PM

hogfanfs

Hey Real G,

I'm sure you have heard of TenaControls? They can probably point you in the right direction on lighting for this k'tinga.

Egads Hogfanfs, Tena Controls already did what I was planning!  OMG $95 for their system, which includes the torpedo effect AND sound!  Gaaah!

Rambo, there is a lot of room inside the kit.  Enough for a Tena Controls system.

Oh man I so want to start the kit that the Tena Controls system seems to be the fastest way to get there.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:56 AM

I'd love to see you get loaded on bloodwine and do a YouTube video series on assembling her...

 

If you don't have bloodwine I hear prune juice* will do. 

 

*Though you might have to build in short clips between visits to the captain's head... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, December 20, 2018 1:01 PM

...and some Chinese spicy beef noodles will stand in nicely for Gah.  (Before the TV shows turned it into earthworms.)

Maybe boiled octopus legs?  On ST:TNG, I think, there was a scene where Klingons visiting the Enterprise were treated to a banquet where there was a plate with octopus legs.  One Klingon grabbed a piece and was just about to stuff it into his mouth when the camera cut to another scene.  I should have volunteered to be that Klingon - I'd have eagerly torn into the leg on camera AND eaten it, like a Klingon would!

Hee-hee, a friend of mine can do video editing.  Gamera, you troublemaker, now I'm getting ideas!  Youtube infamy, here I come!

And to make sure the punishment gets handed out fairly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

Now you can no longer unsee or unhear it.  Devil

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:24 PM

Guess who’s coming to dinner...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I0ncQup3BOE

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:41 PM

How about me and my video-adept friend (he is a huge Trek fan) wear paper plates with forehead ridges rubber banded to our heads, and make cardboard armor spray painted black with aluminum foil trim?  We can then comment on the model during construction, praising its superior detail and robust structure, more than a match for puny Federation model kits!  OK I gave that one WAY too much thought.

Maybe I’ll just stick to building the model.  I did a Google search last night on strobe effects, so now I understand what hardware is involved. I also now know how a transistor functions.  It’s just a trip switch.  Well duh, that’s how a logic machine works.  Sorry, I paid little attention to EE classes in college!  The torpedo effect will require actual study of programming.  OR, I could just settle for a simple glowing ember effect taken from a cheap LED candle.  Decisions, decisions...

Tune in later for the next installment of “Building With Klingons”.  No happy trees.  No bubbly Federation.

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Posted by armornut on Friday, December 21, 2018 7:03 AM

   Facinating, it's highly illogical, you are right Real G some things cannot be unseen nor unheard. LOL THAT WAS GREAT!! LOL.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, December 21, 2018 7:52 AM

Real G: Thanks, I guess I deserved that... Dunce Now I know what it's like to go though the Klingon Mind Sifter interrogation device... 

SP: Remember to never serve Romulan ale at a diplomatic dinner. However I'd assume if the guests are Romulans this might be relaxed.

 

An LED candle for the torpedo launcher sounds pretty cool. If you do the video I think I'd just drop in a few comments here and there about Federation and Romulan models being weak and puny. Maybe pull out a giant combat knife and yell 'THIS IS MY PEN-KNIFE!!!' 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Real G on Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:14 PM

I had another look at the opening scene in ST:TMP where the Klingons get wiped out by the V’ger cloud, and what do you know, the anti-collision beacons are just blinkie lights!

Perhaps I should just build the kit as-is, and not over-complicate things like I always do.  That way the kit gets built, and we all can have fun and move forward.  Like Star Trekkin’.

Still thinking of the paper plate Klingon head bumps though.   Stick out tongue

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:25 PM

Gamera

SP: Remember to never serve Romulan ale at a diplomatic dinner. However I'd assume if the guests are Romulans this might be relaxed.

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Real G on Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:10 PM

Warning:  Consumtion of alcoholic beverages will increase the likelihood of having hybrid children.  Know your limits and drink responsibly!

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 23, 2018 1:52 PM

Somehow I'm not surprised the navigational lights were anything more than just that.

Not sure you need to open up the shuttle bay and scratchbuild a couple Klingon shuttles to stick in there...

SP: No problem with that, Romulan women are actually attractive. Sorry with Klingons I'd have to drink enough to die of liver poisoning before any of their women look good...

 

Hmmmmmmmmm, if I ever go back and build another Galor class cruiser I might consider gluing a cheap plastic spoon to my forehead...

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Real G on Sunday, December 23, 2018 3:09 PM

Gamera,

No shuttle bay for me - that’s another non-existent item on the movie prop that has been debated on another forum ad nauseam.  I don’t think so.  Homie don’t play that!

I think the K’tinga will be built as-is; the only mods will be to facilitate construction.  I want this kit built ASAP, before the crummy Federation arrive to spoil all the fun!

The female Romulan commander looked, sounded, and acted too much like my 7th grade math teacher for my liking.  Klingon women have teeth that would make orthodontists giddy, provided the Klingons name them as participating providers in their dental plan!

If a new Star Trek GB got started, a prerequisite should be for the participants to do the spoon or paper plate thing, to represent their build’s race!  Romulans and Vulcans will need cardboard eyebrows in addition to the ears.

”It’s a group build,

but not as we know it,

not as we know it,

not as we know It.

It’s a group build,

but not as we know it,

not as we know it,

Captain.”

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, December 23, 2018 3:43 PM

Well, I can do the world's worst Scottish accent for TOS StarFleet. Or wear a hairclip on my face or do a terrible Irish accent for the TNG and DS9...

 

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by armornut on Sunday, December 23, 2018 9:04 PM

   Trekking cross the universe under capt. Kirk.

    Always moving forward cause we haven't found reverse.

     Sorry, it is now permanently stuck! Could be worse I guess.....

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Posted by Real G on Monday, December 24, 2018 11:00 AM

I have a feeling that awful song will become an integral part of this thread!  Stick out tongue

“It’s worse that that,

it’s stuck Jim,

stuck Jim,

stuck Jim.

It’s worse than that,

it’s stuck Jim

stuck in our heads!!!”

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Posted by sickdude on Monday, December 24, 2018 11:14 AM

Real G

I have a feeling that awful song will become an integral part of this thread!  Stick out tongue

“It’s worse that that,

it’s stuck Jim,

stuck Jim,

stuck Jim.

It’s worse than that,

it’s stuck Jim

stuck in our heads!!!”

 

Big Smile Hehe 

"Modeling is like Hydra, build 1; 3 more appear" Wink

"I Know Nothing, Nothing"

"Sorry About That"

"Missed It By That Much"

"Would You Believe"

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Posted by armornut on Monday, December 24, 2018 11:31 AM

   Real G, I will TRY to refrain from bringing it up again LOL. Thank you for sharing I thought it was funny.

    Since I'm the Tribble that started this trouble LOL LOL , PLEASE just beam me to Tsao Seti 6......perhaps I can stop Khan from reaping his Wrath.......or mAYBe that is what started this....

     Please proceed with the build sir, I will try and watch from the sidelines.

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:50 PM

Ha ha ha ha, Armornut, ANYTHING goes when it comes to the Klingons!  Sing!  Drink blood wine!  Create havoc at parties!  Let the host lose his security deposit and the neighbors call the police!

2019 will be the year of builds for me - we will sing songs of our glorious completed models and epic builds - or I will face excommunication from the Empire!

I’d better go look for a small paper plate and some construction paper...

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Posted by Real G on Friday, March 01, 2019 4:18 PM

I had a little time last night, so some preliminary work was carried out.  The separate lighting set strangely includes only white (cool and warm) LEDs.

https://flic.kr/p/2cw2mZA] [/url]K’tinga-05 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

I suppose the clear red parts provided in the set are to address this, but others have noted color temperature problems even with the red parts.  For example, the impulse engines use cool white LEDs, which impart a purplish glow.  So I tried dipping the appropriate LEDs in Tamiya acrylic clear red (bridge dome, dorsal "grille", and impulse engines) and orange (torpedo launchers).

https://flic.kr/p/2dTnz2C] [/url]K’tinga-09 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The torpedo tube has a cone shaped backing piece that holds the LED.  To maximise brightness, the inside surface was painted with Molotow's incredible chrome paint pen.  It did make a noticeable difference.

https://flic.kr/p/RdVTP8] [/url]K’tinga-10 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The photo shows the clear red torpedo part from the lighting kit, so I'm a little surprised the Tamiya clear orange came out so strongly.  But that is good, as I wanted it to be that way.

The dorsal grille has two LEDs which result in hot spots, so I will add a diffuser made from 0.005" white styrene sheet.  I did a quick test using just a piece of masking tape on the inside of the clear red part and it seems to work, although there are dark spots at the sides of the housing.  I will paint the insides of the housing flat white to spread the light around.

The bridge dome, as well as the windows in the "cobra head" and lower bulb suffer from variable brightness when viewed from different angles.  I'll need to solve that problem next.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, March 02, 2019 5:12 PM

That looks friggin' awesome!!!

'Captain a big orange thing just lighted up on the front of the other ship! Is that bad?'

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Real G on Saturday, March 02, 2019 5:37 PM

Uh...  You mean that red thingie heading towards the blue thingie?

I think we're the blue thingy.

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, March 05, 2019 2:27 PM

The pre-wired LEDs greatly simplify things, but they tangle very easily and searching through the jumble for specific ones gets old really fast.  So to make life easier, they were all bagged separately.  It also keeps them safe until needed.

https://flic.kr/p/2dWKDt1] [/url]K’tinga-11 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

I did a light test of the rear torpedo launcher, at first without any mods except for painting the LED clear orange.

https://flic.kr/p/2f3Ekyg] [/url]K’tinga-17 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

And here is what it looks like with the reflector cone (inside painted chrome) borrowed from the forward torpedo launcher.

https://flic.kr/p/2f3EkHe] [/url]K’tinga-18 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

So the plan is to fashion a new cone for the rear launcher.  BTW, none of the LEDs fit snugly into their sockets; they are mostly really loosey-goosey.  Definitely not Bandai level here.

The impulse engines were mocked up to address any problems.  The right bay was quickly painted with the Molotow chrome pen.  There were lots of misses due to the shape of the pen tip, but I will touch up later on using a brush.

https://flic.kr/p/2dWKDD1] [/url]K’tinga-12 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The LEDs were painted clear red, and the red lenses from the lighting set were used for the test.

https://flic.kr/p/2f3Ejfz] [/url]K’tinga-13 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

The right bay definitely has more distributed light, but I think painting the insides of the exhaust fairings chrome will bump it up even more.

https://flic.kr/p/SUwyAC] [/url]K’tinga-16 by N.T. Izumi, on Flickr

Some paper was cut to fit inside the exhaust fairings to act as light diffusers, but the reduction in brightness was too much.  The orientation of the LEDs is important to get the best out of the light output; for the test they were just pushed through some slit tape on the backside of the bulkhead so they ended up pointing every which way.  The LEDs are 3mm whereas the holes are 5mm.  Again, not Bandai.

Frosted translucent material will be tried next.

As a side note, my opinion of this kit so far is that it is a really good kit that could have been a truly great kit.  There are odd choices like the LED colors, loose mounting sockets, weak light distribution in certain parts (bridge windows), fragile locator pins and too-tight sockets for the hull, instruction errors, sub-optimized integration of the lighting set instructions to the kit ones, and PE details from the accessory lighting set that just don't work well.  Normally these would really put me off a kit, but Polar Lights gets a pass because the plastic parts make it the best Star Trek kit ever IMHO.

I still feel really good about the kit despite any bumps, and I'm liking it more every day!  Now THAT is the most important quality of a model kit.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, March 06, 2019 10:39 AM

'Ah krap it's a orange glowy thing on the back too!!!'

Aka never tailgate a Klingon...  

 

All joking aside the lights look amazing! Looking forward to seeing her together and all lighted up! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, March 07, 2019 12:44 PM

No, never tailgate Klingons.  That is wise advice.

BTW, what was up with that FASA game art?  Klingons crashed a Tom Skerritt lookalike contest on a Federation starbase?  Or is it the mirror universe where everyone has facial hair?  Someone should do a ST TOS parody where everyone in the mirror universe has a goatee, including the women, cat & dogs, the coffee mugs...

On a more serious note, I am contemplating using flat white in the left impulse engine bay to see if brightness and light diffusion will improve over the chromed right bay.  If that works, I'll try it out on the bridge lights as well.  I think the "bulb" section will need a light box to channel the light towards the band of windows.  

And I only realized now that a reflector cone cannot be installed on the rear torpedo bay due to space restrictions.  I'll have a look to see what alternatives I can come up with.

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Posted by armornut on Thursday, March 07, 2019 6:43 PM

    Dropping by to cause trouble LOL, So how can we humans be terrified by a soup ladel attached to a flapjack flipper? Torpedos...torpedos don't you mean Romulan noodles? Ok I' ll go back to my corner now.

      Really like how the impulse engines turned out. Look almost real.

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