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  • Member since
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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:30 PM

Bakster
The man breaks down the differences well between the 1968 and 2001 remake

He's actually got a lot of content comparing old to remakes (it's fertile ground, after all).

WIll be interesting if he does Ben Hur . . .

Oh, and I'm gritting my teeth to watch the remake of Midway this w/e on HBO.

I'm trying hard to not let previous criticisms color my judgement, but given what h'wood panders out as pablum these days  . . .

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:35 PM

CapnMac82
Oh, and I'm gritting my teeth to watch the remake of Midway this w/e on HBO.

On no!!! My advice to you?  I say, drink heavily before you watch it. Maybe you won't notice things. 

I want to hear what you think of it after viewing. Please report here. Same ape time, same ape channel.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, July 3, 2020 8:49 AM

Oh wow that figure looks great!!! Looking forward to seeing how the altered printed figures come out!!! 

 

I like Heston too, so many great movies. I'm a little partial to 'The Omega Man' lol 

In my top ten favorite actors, I have to admit I like Peter Cushing, Chris Lee, and Vincent Price, etc a little better... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by falconmod on Friday, July 3, 2020 8:59 AM

Gamera

Oh wow that figure looks great!!! Looking forward to seeing how the altered printed figures come out!!! 

 

I like Heston too, so many great movies. I'm a little partial to 'The Omega Man' lol 

In my top ten favorite actors, I have to admit I like Peter Cushing, Chris Lee, and Vincent Price, etc a little better... 

 

And don't forget Soylent Green!   "It's made from people!"

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/72 EF-111, 1/144 Harrier

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, July 3, 2020 10:22 AM

Oh, right. Omega Man was good, as was Soylent Green. Peter Cushing, Vincint Price, and Christopher Lee are at the top of my list too. I own many of their movies on DVD. I love the Hammer movies. I suppose I should add Clint Eastwood to my top 10 list. I have a number of his movies too. I like Paul Newman as well. Those were the days of movie making. Now, they are just cookie cutter disappointments. Just forget about good writing. It is all about bedazzling people with special effects. Very sad.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Friday, July 3, 2020 1:06 PM

I learned something today as I reviewed the movie for stencil placement. In this capture below there are flags on both the top and bottom of the ships thruster flarings. I did not know this. This gives me the orientation and scale too. 

I got some great captures that will help me a lot.

Btw. I printed out the United States stencil on paper and placed it on the model. That adds a lot to the look of the ship to see it on there. Can't wait to see this painted and decaled.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 5, 2020 5:04 PM

Bakster
I want to hear what you think of it after viewing. Please report here. Same ape time, same ape channel.

As naval History goes, it aproximates the accuracy Dunder-Mifflin does for the Paper Industry.

The CGI is applied somewhat well, but, having invested in the 3D models, they did not bother to get the paint schemes correct (perhaos they used a a Trumpy coulor callout), or minor details like the bomb sight correct (nor dive bombing procedures right).  And, naturally, they did not render the ship spacing anywher enear correctly.

Honestlt, Dr Zaius could have done a better job at being several of the historical characters.  It's not quite to Germans bombing Pearl Harbor, but it scares that level of inaccuracy.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:23 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
I want to hear what you think of it after viewing. Please report here. Same ape time, same ape channel.

 

As naval History goes, it aproximates the accuracy Dunder-Mifflin does for the Paper Industry.

The CGI is applied somewhat well, but, having invested in the 3D models, they did not bother to get the paint schemes correct (perhaos they used a a Trumpy coulor callout), or minor details like the bomb sight correct (nor dive bombing procedures right).  And, naturally, they did not render the ship spacing anywher enear correctly.

Honestlt, Dr Zaius could have done a better job at being several of the historical characters.  It's not quite to Germans bombing Pearl Harbor, but it scares that level of inaccuracy.

 

Capn, it is very interesting to hear your take on the historical inaccuracies. I don't have that knowledge base to draw from, and it's very interesting to hear an opinion from one that does.

Thanks a bunch for reporting!

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:25 AM

Captain: I liked the 'Midway' remake. Course I did watch it as a Sillywood movie instead of a historical record. Guess I went in expecting a cheap hot dog and got a cheap hot dog... Wink

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:47 PM

Gamera
Guess I went in expecting a cheap hot dog and got a cheap hot dog.

LoL

Unfortunately, I had not option but to go in like a doctor watching a medical drama.

So, for me, it would have been better narrated by Dr Zaius Smile

As the take of an Orang with a bias agasinst the antics of sub-simians, it would make more sense to me.

Twenty-four years of being an officer, and sitting in review of several dissertations on the topic will submerge a person a bit.

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, July 11, 2020 7:49 PM

Bakster
I have been in communication with the creator.

And there ya go. I knew this being cooped up was going to knock somebody I know over the edge sooner or later.

Why oh why does it have have been my 'ol pal Steve who lost it, though?

And you say you heard back, eh?

Stick out tongue

 

-Greg

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:43 PM

CapnMac82
So, for me, it would have been better narrated by Dr Zaius

That is a hoot!

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, July 11, 2020 10:03 PM

Greg

 

 
Bakster
I have been in communication with the creator.

 

And there ya go. I knew this being cooped up was going to knock somebody I know over the edge sooner or later.

Why oh why does it have have been my 'ol pal Steve who lost it, though?

And you say you heard back, eh?

Stick out tongue

 

 

Whatchu talkn' about Willis.  Not only did I hear back, I wrote him again today. Tongue Tied

I asked creator, our lawgiver, when he might have renderings for me to review.  I am not holding my hopes up because all this sounds too good to be true. But, unless you walk the path of faith, you can't find the prize. That is a genuine baksterism.

Btw. MicroMark decal supplies are ordered and should arrive late next week. I have a few graphics done but there are more to do. Barring anymore drama, I will try to put a bigger dent in that process tomorrow.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:13 AM

The creator wrote back. He apologized for the delay, but he is backlogged having just come off his work stoppage. He said he will have renderings for me this week. I will post those images when I get them.

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:58 PM

Here is what I came up with today. The graphic shown below will go on the side panels that sweep front to back. Some elements are upside-down in relation to the tracing. I will fix that later. I made most of the graphic by scratch using PaintShop Pro, in vector. The reels and the switch panel to the right of them are captures off the net.

Vector is supposed to be the cats meow in terms of resizing. From what I am seeing, they are as jagged as screen captures when resized. That said, I don't think PSP provides true vector. From my research, the program likely coverts vector to a raster image. To get true vector capabilty you'd have to spend a few hundred bucks on programs like Adobe Illustrator, and the like. THAT, I am not doing. It is unfortunate because true vector is touted to provide infinate scaling without image degradation. For my purpose, this will have to do.

Anyhow, some progress made.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:13 PM

Bakster
true vector is touted to provide infinate scaling without image degradation.

Well, yes, you get a 'true' image map through vector, as only the end points need calculating.  However, once run through raster, the color depth and resolution (and end format to some extent) then "hash" that into pixels.

Color depth is an issue in that having a higher range better renders, at high DPI and large formatting.  The downside is in scaling, the line "purity" is defined by the shades of the line parallel it.

The "best" approach is to have as fine as set of graphics at the highest resolution possible and the least color rendering possible.  Usually no more than 1.5X desired final size.

With PNG, I find I can get slightly better results than JPEG (and you need to eschew interacing--handy for computer graphics, not so for printed graphics).

If I can get to 720dpi resolution at 8 colors, this seems to get reliable results, at least to the limits of the printer's resolution (if your printer will only get you to 84 or 96 dpi, you really need to get down to fewer colors, but you will get "jaggies").

Which is easy for me to blather on about with jillions of kwatloo invested in various graphic engines.  (And largely just use GIMP and IrfanView.)

I've made some really nice prints with my new laser printer, which runs at 600dpi at 32 color saturation, which is more than enough for the 24-star US flags I've been experimenting with.  The models for those are ACAD vector models, rendered direcly through PCL5 to the printer.

Your Mileage May Vary.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, July 12, 2020 6:42 PM

Those graphics are very cool and are going to look great inside the ship.

If anyone looks in one of your starship windows and says your graphics have jaggies, let me know and I'll come over and give them a real dirty look.

-Greg

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:07 PM

Thanks Greg.

Greg
If anyone looks in one of your starship windows and says your graphics have jaggies, let me know and I'll come over and give them a real dirty look.

You crack me up, Greg. You are of course correct sir. Very little will be seen but it's all about the journey. Beer

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Sunday, July 12, 2020 9:28 PM

Thanks for the input, Capn. Points taken and noted.

CapnMac82
The "best" approach is to have as fine as set of graphics at the highest resolution possible and the least color rendering possible.  Usually no more than 1.5X desired final size.

It is interesting you noted this. I find that this worked best for me as well. I tried to create each element as close to the final size as possible, minimizing rescaling. Once you go too far outside of that, which doesn't take much, the image begins to fragment.

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Posted by Greg on Monday, July 13, 2020 8:32 AM

Bakster
Very little will be seen but it's all about the journey.

I know. I was thinking if I was doing what you are maybe 15 yrs ago, I'd have gone out and spent hundreds on whatever graphics software I needed (or thought I needed) to solve the jaggie thing. I get it, I do.

-Greg

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 13, 2020 10:13 AM

Greg

 

 
Bakster
Very little will be seen but it's all about the journey.

 

I know. I was thinking if I was doing what you are maybe 15 yrs ago, I'd have gone out and spent hundreds on whatever graphics software I needed (or thought I needed) to solve the jaggie thing. I get it, I do.

 

You are cracking me up, man. I totally get where you are coming from. Believe me. I  briefly thought about getting better software. I started telling myself, "it could be a good thing to learn for future projects." I was trying to justify the expense. Then, by default, and before any major purchase, I always push the, "Don't be stupid man" circuit breaker. Suddenly, I didn't need the software anymore. Lol. Phew. 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 13, 2020 4:30 PM

Hey Greg. For grins I printed said graphic on office paper and holy cats, forget about seeing jaggies. You'll be lucky to see much of any detail. The scale is so small you'd need a magnifier to see all the little switches that I made. With that in mind, maybe I did ok with the software I have. I kind of think that I did. 

Btw. The sizing I did in computer software fits perfectly on the model. That tracing paper trick works fantastic. You can model the graphic to exactness without all the muss and fuss of doing trial and error reprints.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, July 13, 2020 8:49 PM

Oh, and GIMP, which is pretty cool image software, is also free.

It's OpenWare with some very useful add-ons.

It's not horribly intuitive, but neither is PhotoShop (or, esepcially, Elements).  My one gripe is in how it handles layers, I want my overlays and effects to be consistent (or at least like PS4--sigh).  it's very much a soware committed to multiple monitors, as it populates a lot o tool pallets.  The color selector is a pain to get used to, but works.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, July 13, 2020 9:20 PM

Gimp seems popular. And I know what you mean about Elements. I tried it and I completely agree, it is not intuitive. I hated the software for that and I abandoned it. I have used Paint Shop Pro for many years now. There were a couple of upgrades that were stinkers, but in general, I like it. It is a powerful program for a price that won't kill you. They have some nice effects plugins available too. 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:02 AM

Bakster
Hey Greg. For grins I printed said graphic on office paper and holy cats, forget about seeing jaggies. You'll be lucky to see much of any detail. The scale is so small you'd need a magnifier to see all the little switches that I made. With that in mind, maybe I did ok with the software I have. I kind of think that I did.

Sounds like it all worked out, good to hear. This reminds me of my habit of fussing over some little detail with my Optivisor on for some time, then realizing when I take them off I'm lucky to see the part, let alone the detail.

I thought your tracing paper trick was very clever, can't remember if I commented on that or not.

Photo and graphics editors, a subject in itself, that's for sure.

Oh, and today it looks like we are live again. Yea.

-Greg

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:08 PM

Greg
This reminds me of my habit of fussing over some little detail with my Optivisor on for some time, then realizing when I take them off I'm lucky to see the part, let alone the detail.

Exactly. But I tell ya. See it or not see it, it is fun making them. This is opening up a door to some possibilities with future projects.

 

Greg
Oh, and today it looks like we are live again. Yea.

Yeah. I thought for sure the website had fallen into the abys, permanently.

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:16 AM

Bakster

The creator wrote back. He apologized for the delay, but he is backlogged having just come off his work stoppage. He said he will have renderings for me this week. I will post those images when I get them.

 

And here is the Creators masterful renderings. Look at all the detail. From a mumified  Stewart to the ANSA emblems on their uniforms. I am warned the tiny scale I needed will soften the final detail. I say... it will be light years ahead of anything I would have made. 

I will post an image once I receive the 3D prints.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, July 23, 2020 4:09 PM

Bakster

 

Wait, shouldn't Chuck be smoking a cigar and listening to LPs spinning the quadraphonic stereo? Smile

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, July 23, 2020 4:42 PM

Can't imagine how excited you must be to recieve the figures. The renderings surely do look good.

-Greg

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, July 24, 2020 9:22 AM

Greg

Can't imagine how excited you must be to recieve the figures. The renderings surely do look good.

 

Figures lightyears better than what I had excites me, painting such tiny figures does not. A better figure demands better painting. I will need to buy an ultrafine brush because what I have won't cut it. And man... I will need to bring out the big guns in terms of magnification. Sad

Since last reported... not much progress done on the decals. Just no time with all that is going on. I did get the decal making supplies though. Surprise

 

 

 

 

 

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