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FINISHED - Life-Like (nee Pyro) 1/250 "Mayflower"

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FINISHED - Life-Like (nee Pyro) 1/250 "Mayflower"
Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:26 PM

My latest project. I got this after selling off an old laptop (not kidding here). After losing my last attempt, I decided to give this model another shot. It was supposed to be a display for our family Thanksgiving meal. 

As per usual, that is not what's happened.

To be brief; this kit is based upon the R.C. Anderson/L.A. Pritchard model that was built in 1926 (currenty resides in the Addison Gallery at the Phillips Academy, Massachusetts), by way of the Megow wooden kit. As typical for many of Pyro's kits, it is a copy of a wooden model, however not a direct one. The Model Shipways' "Mayflower" is a far better version of the Anderson model, whereas the Pyro kit copies the numerous flaws of the Megow kit (interesting pattern on the stern, two additional guns on the deck, wrong type of capstan... I could go on).

This is where I am at the moment. A lot of modifications have been made to the model to bring it up to par. I will include a link to my build album over at Picasa. Here is the model as of this evening, 17th November, 2015. 

Starboard bow

Port bow

Cheers,

Robert

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:28 PM

Here is the Picasa album. Currently, no captions.

 

Pyro/Life-Like 1/250 "Mayflower"

Cheers,

Robert

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:35 PM

Robert-

 

That sweet thing is COMPLETELY Turkey-worthy!

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:22 PM

Looking good Rob! I would put it out on the dinner table as a work in progress myself. I do have a question, how did you do the geometric shapes in paint or otherwise?

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:55 PM

Steve,

I painted them on tissue paper. First, I measured the areas that needed the patterns. Then, I painted the alternating yellowsquares, and used a fine tipped pen to add the black and green. I will say that the markings on the quarters of the poop were a nightmare, and in applying Dullcote had major running of the green there. I fixed the problem as best I could using very small triangles of painted yellow tissue. Next time, I might just stick to painting the triangles and applying them directly, as McNarry and Hunnisett did. 

Cheers,

Robert

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:59 AM

Hi;

      I think she looks great .WIP or finished - Put her on the table . T.B.

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:29 PM

Rob, 

Thanks for the tutorial. I have been trying to think of a way to do the same patten on a large scale Revell Mayflower I have in the stash. It has been calling to me lately since Steve(Bakster) started his most excellent thread.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Monday, November 23, 2015 9:42 PM

This is my little Mayflower as of today. The sails are up, and the running rigging was coming along nicely... and I had an accident today that undid a lot of hard work; a bottle of glue fell over, hit the model which was foolishly near the edge of the workbench, and gravity took it from there. I implemented repairs, but they do show.

Anyway, the sails are tissue paper bent to new wooden yards (reshaped toothpicks and basswood strips). Before the sails were attached, the yards were painted and detailed with the sail robands laced on beforehand, the sails glued over them. The sails were made from white tissue paper, with drawn on pencil detail and watercolor washes. Three of the sails are partially furled, as on the prototype model, but the lateen mizzen is on the opposite side of its mast. 

As of this evening, I've managed to get the spritsail and rig repaired. Won't make Thanksgiving, I'm afraid, but maybe a day or two behind.

Cheers!

 - Robert

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, November 23, 2015 10:30 PM

She's a beauty!

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 9:44 AM

As John Tilley is fond of saying, a serious model can be made out of a beef bone (or sow' ear).  I loved these kits growing up in the 1960's, but have rarely seen one completed to the standard that you are achieving!  She's beautiful! This is one of the best that I have seen posted on this site.  That said . . .

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!   Eats

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:50 AM

warshipguy

As John Tilley is fond of saying, a serious model can be made out of a beef bone (or sow' ear).  I loved these kits growing up in the 1960's, but have rarely seen one completed to the standard that you are achieving!  She's beautiful! This is one of the best that I have seen posted on this site.  That said . . .

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!   Eats

Bill Morrison

 

Thank you, Bill, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. 

RL

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Posted by docidle on Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:13 AM

Rob,

I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. 

Man, I knew those kits kits were small, but you get a real eye opener when you see the model in your hand! That is one small model. The repairs look good from the pictures, at least in my opinion.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, November 30, 2015 7:01 PM

It looks fantastic Rob!

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Monday, November 30, 2015 10:30 PM

Steve,

It was a pretty good Thanksgiving, but really hampered by some other issues (health related). Smallest T-Day dinner I've ever had!

Bakster.

Thank you.

 

I've been doing what I can, but to be honest am really wishing I had stuck to my old method for a model this small (that is, using painted brass and copper wire for the rigging). While this model was an experiment of sorts, I had higher aspirations for it. That said, the lifts are up with regular fabric rigging, whilst the clew lines (and probably all line hence) are wire. 

Photos soon!

Cheers,

 - Robert

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Posted by allan on Tuesday, December 1, 2015 2:05 AM

Shes tiny!  And pretty!

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, December 2, 2015 9:04 AM

I've had quite a slow down due to some medical issues, but am moving along again, albeit slowly. The running rigging is underway again, using a combination of fine copper wire and traditional waxed thread. Just a little further to go.

The mizzen lift was fairly complicated. It was accomplished with a combination of cotton thread and copper wire. Angle isn't quite right, but it still looks good enough, I suppose.

 

Cheers!

 - Robert

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Saturday, December 5, 2015 11:23 PM

Not much work the past couple of days. The braces are up on the the main mast yards. Was a bit harder than anticipated due to shaky hands. Starting Monday, things should improve. Sorry for the picture quality, main camera is still down.

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Posted by docidle on Saturday, December 5, 2015 11:33 PM

Very cool Rob!

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by BashMonkey on Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:47 PM
Very cool, I just got one of these off Fleabay, have to try your methods on it :-D

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:54 AM

BashMonkey
Very cool, I just got one of these off Fleabay, have to try your methods on it :-D
 

I hope it is this version. The last couple of Pyro Mayflowers that were on ye olde pyrate bay were the earlier version, with a very toy like appearance and dimensions that would make a soul wince. Be sure to share it once it arrives.

 - RL

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, December 9, 2015 9:06 AM

Work continues.

I decided to do the mizzen martinet with cotton line in order to lay across the sail more realistically. As I foolishly mounted the mizzen yard to port instead of starboard, the plan was simply mirrored.

The rest of the mizzen rigging proceeded very slowly, due to my not having planned ahead and skipping to other lines. Lesson learned; work inside to outside. 

The mizzen bowlines are run to the main ratlines, as per Anderson.

The mizzen sheets were simplified and attached astern. I decided to tie them just aft of the main braces. Some additional rigging was simply ignored, such as the mizzen brail lines, as adding them would have been extremely difficult.

I then decided to work on the topsails bowlines. Here, 32 gauge copper wire was used once more. 

Now, a few more pieces of rigging remain, plus two anchors and flags. 

Soon.

 - Robert

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Friday, December 11, 2015 1:00 PM

Model is 98% complete. All the rigging that I plan on adding has been done. I am watching some of my live rigging (fabric lines instead of my normal wire) behave like barometers, stretching and shrinking with temperature and humidity. On larger models, not a problem. On models this small, where tolerances are much closer, it's a problem.

Still, it is looking pretty good. At some point I need to make two anchors, two flags, and a nicer stand. And, of course, do something about the weather predicting capabilities of some of the rigging. 

Cheers,

 - Robert

 

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 8:52 PM

The kit only comes with one anchor, and it lacks a stock. Using sheet styrene, I carved out as close an approximation as possible, and made a ring for it from brass wire. They were painted and weathered before the stocks were added (brown cardstock). 

With that, the model was complete.

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 9:04 PM

Here is the finished model. 

Here is a size comparison shot. 

This took far longer than expected, due to other issues, as well as experimenting with techniques. The end result turned out better than expected.

Onto the next project. 

Cheers,

 - Robert

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 9:39 PM

Robert,

Yours is such a delightful, diminutive ship! I certainly would not attempt rigging with all those tiny blocks! It would drive me madder than I already am.

Mike

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 9:54 PM

1943Mike

Robert,

Yours is such a delightful, diminutive ship! I certainly would not attempt rigging with all those tiny blocks! It would drive me madder than I already am.

Mike

 

Thank you, though only a few of those miniature blocks are real. They are actually made with blobs of Tacky Glue, for the most part. Just built up layer at a time and painted. In total, I'd say less than a dozen blocks on that model are really blocks! Old technique that I learned from McNarry, Hunnisett, et al. 

Cheers,

 - Robert

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Posted by Marcus.K. on Thursday, December 17, 2015 2:15 AM

A tiny beauty you have here! Wonderful work!

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:09 AM

Stunning work, especially given the limitations of the kit! I am most impressed!  How did you do the shrouds and ratlines?

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Posted by Vagabond_Astronomer on Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:22 AM

warshipguy

Stunning work, especially given the limitations of the kit! I am most impressed!  How did you do the shrouds and ratlines?

Bill Morrison

 

I used a modified "McCaffery Loom". Miniaturist Lloyd McCaffery came up with the basic design years ago. My modification is to use sections of a yard stick, as well as drilling additional holes for smaller diameter bolts (obviously for smaller models). For larger scales, I still prefer the old fashioned method, but this isn't always practical for smaller models.

Thinned Aileen's Tacky Glue is used to glue the shrouds to the foot ropes. The footropes are fine black nylon line, while the shrouds are brass or copper wire, in this case 32 gauge copper. I try to stick to non-ferrous wire for rigging, as steel tools sometimes have enough of a magnetic charge to make the work a chore. In this case, though, it turned out that the "copper" wire was really just copper plated steel, and was a bit of a nightmare in a number of places, but fortunately not here. 

I use a divider the get the measurements I need for the shrouds, and then lay the first and last ones in place, mirroring them in sets.

After the glue sets, the ratlines are painted, flat black here, and cleaned up while still on the rig (they had yet to be cleaned here). When it came time to remove them, I put lengths of masking tape over the nylon lines at the bolts. This makes cutting the finished ratlines out much easier. I use scherenschnitte scissors (very fine) to carefully cut them out. They are trimmed, touched up, and glued into place, again using Aileen's but straight and not thinned.

Hope that answers the question!

Cheers,

 - Robert

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, December 17, 2015 11:06 AM

That is an interesting system you created.  How does it compare with the Heller system, with those looms provided in their kits?

Bill

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