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Time some model manufacturer did a SUPERTANKER!

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Time some model manufacturer did a SUPERTANKER!
Posted by Ghostphantom on Friday, January 20, 2017 7:39 PM

Don't know about anyone else but I'm amazed no model manufacturer has done some Supertankers.  We've had a few large cargo ships lilke the Colombo Express from Revell which is similar and a few small tankers from the 60s but all we seem to get is the same old stuff over and over WW2 and modern frigates/destroyers/carriers etc.

These must be popular as they keep churning them out by the bucketload but they all look so similar to each other.  If there's any manufacturers reading this how about trying something a bit different for a change? 

Many civilian ships are just as interesting as military ones and perhaps even more so in some cases.  Especially those giant Supertankers which are some of the biggest ships afloat and offer great potential for weathering.

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, January 20, 2017 11:03 PM

If you look at paper there are a few, but other wise nothing.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Friday, January 20, 2017 11:46 PM

In my favorite scale (1/350) for big ships something like the Seawise Giant would be prohibitively large - 51.57". At 1/700 scale she would measure a more reasonable 25.78" in length. I am sticking to 1/350 for filling up the space in front of books in my built-in bookcase in my small condo so supertankers are out of the question for me as are aircraft carriers and large battleships but I'm sure some modelers have the room and supertankers would make an interesting addition to many displays.

Mike

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:29 AM

Ghostphantom

 

Many civilian ships are just as interesting as military ones and perhaps even more so in some cases.  Especially those giant Supertankers which are some of the biggest ships afloat and offer great potential for weathering.

 

 

I would agree with you, but I think we are voices crying in the wilderness.  Most modelers I know (except car modelers) want to build military stuff.  If it doesn't shoot and bomb, to them it isn't interesting.  Personally, I love civil ships. It is what I see in waterways in my area.  I am far from any naval installation.  Maybe a destroyer will occasionally visit an area around here for a patriotic holiday, but haven't seen one in a long time.  The brig Niagara visits during tall ship events, but that is about it.  Love the lakers- these things are the size of a modern carrier.  Huge coming into the Duluth ship canal!
 
I for one would love to see either a good supertanker or a detailed and accurate ww2 vintage tanker.  I visit the Meteor every so often in Superior, WI and have considered doing a scratch build of that.  I have scratched a whaleback many years ago, and still have the drawings.  The hull lines seem to be pretty much the same from ship to ship, when adjusted to same size, so hull would be no problem- just have to work up drawings (from photos, maybe) of deck hardware and superstructure.
 
 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Haptesthai on Saturday, January 21, 2017 11:54 AM
If anybody from manufacturers reading this, you have my word that I will purchase one. Lol.
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Posted by crackers on Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:46 PM

 To have a model of a modern super tanker almost seems absurd, as these vessels are huge. To be within scale the model would be about 25 feet long. To be smaller, the details of the model would be tiny. Instead, a model would be interest for a model of the worlds first offical tanker that was built for that purpose with seperate containers for bulk liquids. The model would be the SS GLUCKAUF, built by the Amstrong-Michell Yard in England for a German company in 1886. The GLUCKAUF came to grief when she ran aground in foggy weather at Fire Island, New York on March 23, 1893. All aboard were saved. The ship was successfully towed out to sea, but the tow line broke. The ship grounded again, but became permanently stuck.

Happy modeling   Crackers   Surprise

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:24 AM

Now , See there ?

   There is a perfect example of a dual rigged ship , DON . Besides it's a Tanker . My favorite old tanker is a Guiness Spirits tanker from 1919.

 Most of mine are 1:87 or 1:48 . So they are versions of smaller ones . Like transfer ships small enough to work in the Stockton and Sacramento ship channels .

 I did do one in 1:87 in a special batch for a Client .The ship ? The Shell Orion . Size when finished .16 inches wide and 8.8 feet long and she was just a V.L.C.C. !!

 Now I would shudder to think what a U.L.C.C. would be size wise . I don't think anyone has a mantel that size ! Or BookCase either ! T.B.

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Posted by gregbale on Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:58 AM

crackers

That is one majestic and beautiful vessel! I was not aware of her history---thanks much for sharing that!

(But, alas, I fear scratch-building is the only way we'll ever see her....)

Greg

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:24 AM

crackers

To have a model of a modern super tanker almost seems absurd, as these vessels are huge. To be within scale the model would be about 25 feet long. To be smaller, the details of the model would be tiny. ....

Happy modeling   Crackers   Surprise

 

With many of the better mfgs going to new molding technology, they can put good detail on small scale.  If you haven't tried Revell (g)'s Colombo Express, give it a try.  Big but detailed model in 1:700 scale.  A supertanker in that scale from them would be something I sure would buy.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by crackers on Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:16 PM

Tankerbuilder:  For the ignorant and uninformed like me, what does U.L.C.C mean in words ? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by crackers on Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:30 PM

Revell Germany's version of the container ship COLUMBO EXPRESS, at 1/700 scale, has many rave reviews for this kit. However, there is a down side for those who do not like sticker shock. Amazon.com has this kit for $149.99 plus shipping at $29.99 for a total of $178.98. For those who have deep pockets, this is no problem. For those like me living on a limited income, essential spending comes first. Modeling kits come last.

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Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:31 PM

VLCC-Very Large Crude Carrier

ULCC- Ultra Large Crude Carrier

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Posted by Ghostphantom on Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:55 PM

Don Stauffer

 

 
crackers

To have a model of a modern super tanker almost seems absurd, as these vessels are huge. To be within scale the model would be about 25 feet long. To be smaller, the details of the model would be tiny. ....

Happy modeling   Crackers   Surprise

 

 

 

With many of the better mfgs going to new molding technology, they can put good detail on small scale.  If you haven't tried Revell (g)'s Colombo Express, give it a try.  Big but detailed model in 1:700 scale.  A supertanker in that scale from them would be something I sure would buy.

 

 

 

Exactly.  And not forgetting we're getting some really large models in scales like 1/200 and we're even getting a U Boat in 1/48th from Trumpeter.

 

 

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Posted by Ghostphantom on Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:57 PM

crackers

Revell Germany's version of the container ship COLUMBO EXPRESS, at 1/700 scale, has many rave reviews for this kit. However, there is a down side for those who do not like sticker shock. Amazon.com has this kit for $149.99 plus shipping at $29.99 for a total of $178.98. For those who have deep pockets, this is no problem. For those like me living on a limited income, essential spending comes first. Modeling kits come last.

Happy modeling     Crackers    Indifferent

 

 

 

 

That's probably because the people selling it think it's a rare kit but it's only a matter of time before it's reissued again.  It wasn't that expensive when it first came out.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, January 23, 2017 8:21 AM

Anthony ;

 U.L.C.C. stands for Ultra Large Crude Carrier .Meaning the Panama canal wasn't big enough at one time for them .That's why the new canal was dug . I saw many new skippers , even after the simulator training  ,change a waterfront with one of these monstrous ships . Tugs work them , But Think of this , 8 Million barrels ( 42 gal. per Barrel ).

   All in one spot and no disc brakes or power steering  They have have bow thrusters and azipods , but it's like laying the Empire State Building on it's side and driving it in the Monte Carlo rallye . It ain't gonna happen . Most loading and unloading facilities are some miles offshore . If the crew gets a break they have to ride a chartered Crew boat back and forth . 

 I always liked the smaller ships . They didn't seem to bulky and believe me Standing on the bridge seven stories up ( decks , Sorry ! ) is only indicative of what is there .We used Golf Carts to go from the Bow to the Deckhouse and back . Total Length 1,434 ft overall , 242 feet wide and drew ( depth in water when loaded ) .67 feet .  T.B. My figures are probably off , but it's been awhile .

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, January 23, 2017 8:46 AM

crackers

Revell Germany's version of the container ship COLUMBO EXPRESS, at 1/700 scale, has many rave reviews for this kit. However, there is a down side for those who do not like sticker shock. Amazon.com has this kit for $149.99 plus shipping at $29.99 for a total of $178.98. For those who have deep pockets, this is no problem. For those like me living on a limited income, essential spending comes first. Modeling kits come last.

Happy modeling     Crackers    Indifferent

 

Holy cow!  I paid about thirty bucks for the kit- forget who I got it from, and another thirty for the photo etch sheet.  Talk about inflation!  Is this just Amazon, or are other vendors asking similar prices!

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by crackers on Monday, January 23, 2017 9:40 AM

Don, you want to have a laundry problem from sticker shock ? E-bay offers a 1/350 wooden kit of the COLUMBO EXPRESS for $499.00 ! To soften the shock, shipping is free.

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Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:12 AM

Well , Crackers;

 I have to say this . That's why my ship budget is in a tizzy . All that I want has gotten too expensive . Paper now , is affordable . But there is one ( it's called the S.D.14 ) that is about Three Hundred Pounds Sterling ! It has to come from England and it is BIG . Can you say over five foot long . In file card stock !

      Based on the information in following the PMI website it was  intended as a training tool . You build it just as you would the real ship .Yup , The voids , double bottoms and everything ! It resembles a late War type , Not a Liberty , But not a Victory either . 

     I recently found out that Fascinations Inc ( the parent behind Metal Earth )  Has an aircraft carrier out that costs about a Hundred and Fifty bucks . I have to wonder what scale it is . Can you imagine a P.E. Project that large ? I can't .  T.B.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:15 AM

Hey , Crackers !

 Now I have figured out what to do with a " Glue Bomb " of the Titanic ! She has the right parts and the right bow and stern . I believe I will try to build the one pictured . T.B.

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Posted by crackers on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:13 AM

Go for it Tanker-builder !  I like to see creative and innovative ideas. In the meantime, E-bay has a Lindberg Line WWII Kennebec class navy tanker at 1/520 scale for $15.25. How could one go wrong for a price like that ? Even tight wads like me can appreciate a cheap value.

Happy modeling     Crackers    Big Smile

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by ejhammer on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:17 AM

crackers

Go for it Tanker-builder !  I like to see creative and innovative ideas. In the meantime, E-bay has a Lindberg Line WWII Kennebec class navy tanker at 1/520 scale for $15.25. How could one go wrong for a price like that ? Even tight wads like me can appreciate a cheap value.

Happy modeling     Crackers    Big Smile

 

 

I'm working the Lindberg Kennebec class, shown as AO36 on the box art, kit right now. A friend that I joined the Navy with served aboard the USS Mattaponi AO41. This kit is not of the Mattaponi class. The AO 41 class was very similar but 20 feet longer to accomodate a "stock" or standard boiler. The kit is quite crude, but I think it will represent Mattaponi very well when I'm done. I wish I had known the AO 41 kit was available before I started this one, would have saved me a lot of work. He was aboard when it was re-commissioned, then went to the yards to have the mid well-deck catwalk removed and replaced with a full, open deck constructed of steel frame and wood deck, to be used to haul munitions. I'm doing it with the catwalk still in place.

The kit I have is HL438, a re-pop put out in 2016 by round 2. The kit pictured - AO 41 (ex Kalkay renamed Mattaponi) is actually USS Mattaponi. The Neches (ex Aekay renamed Neches) is # AO47.

 

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by crackers on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:36 AM

I suspect this model kit is the same as the AO 41, but with a different number. E-bay has it for the same price.

Happy modeling     Crackers    Angel

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:36 AM

Uh-OH !

Well , It isn't the best tanker model BUT ! It is a generation prior to the T-2 edition ! So it has a place . I have one or two in my stash . Including a T-2 that I converted to a LNG tanker .Everyone wants to know what's LNG - Liquified Natural Gas .

 They are handled very gently as ships go . An exploding one could take out half of the N.Y waterfront ! That's why they have special ports away from everything else !

 Fascinating looking ships though . Nice part ? There is a small train called " Z " scale .It's half of H.O. ( 1/87 ) . They have some very nice globe top refinery sets .So you can get that ladder that curls around the hemisphere to the top ! That looks neat on a ship !  T.B.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:38 AM

Hi Again !

 Looking at the Box-Top , I think there's just the one ship you could do the conversion to and she's right there ! All the right contours ! Hmmmm.  T.B.

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Posted by Ghostphantom on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:08 PM

Nice looking ships but they have a different look to supertankers.  What I like about supertankers is not only the way they look but their monstrous size. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:26 PM

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:24 AM

Hello there :

   If you can , try to imagine looking down the length of the ship when she's Not moving . If you have poor eyes the bow gets fuzzy after half the length . If your eyes are good it looks like two football fields , maybe three or more to the bitter end .

     The problem that came up concerning their size was not their length at first . It was the width ! If you are in a port that has piers on both sides and a in /out channel in the middle with a turning basin at the end , well you got problems ( Big Ones ) .

  The ships going up or down have to stay clear .That means going to the wrong side of the channel to get by you . It is an experience to see one , much less be aboard one .The sheer size in one human construct is staggering .

     Many wonder how you can go to sea in something that rides lower than a carrier , Has a slightly bigger footprint and yet doesn't break apart in the first bad storm it gets into . I don't put it down to modular construction either .

   The one thing that always was in back of my mind as I watched the " Orion " twist and bend was that she would break at one of the module joints . She didn't  , But water coming over the bow was so tall at one time we got a dented deckhouse .Yes , I said dented !

   Depth of the dent was two feet deep , four decks high , and some broken windows later we knew what high seas mean . " G " I bet could tell us what a gallon of Pacific seawater weighs . Then multiply that by sixty seven feet x fourty four miles an hour  The water was traveling at 26 mph toward us and we were doing , give or take a knot or two , ten knots  .

 That's a lot of steel and oil going a little over 11 and an eighth miles and hour . We would need , even in those seas at least nine or ten miles to come Dead in the Water ,getting pushed backwards at the same time by the winds that topped fifty - five mph. at times .

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