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U-Boat hunting WW1 Freighter - Lindberg (Round-2) 1-390 Q-SHIP

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U-Boat hunting WW1 Freighter - Lindberg (Round-2) 1-390 Q-SHIP
Posted by gregbale on Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:58 PM

Here's one TB might appreciate....

Got Round-2's repop of the old Lindberg "Q-Ship" last Christmas, and in a fit of nostalgic juvenile enthusiasm, decided to give it a little love. As a ship model it's pretty atrocious---it's Lindberg, after all, so not only is there little (or wrong) detail, but the hull and decks are bizarrely truncated, with what should be the 'hold' areas largely missing---but I decided to do what I could to 'dress her up' as the sort of nondescript workaday pre-WW1 freighter of the sort that genunely furnished the bulk of the Royal Navy's U-Boat-hunting 'Special Service vessels'---better known as 'Q' ships---during the Great War.

I give you the 3200 GT collier Atholl Star (of my own made-up 'Green Diamond Line'), laid down about 1905, and with a hard-used but completely unremarkable career before being caught in the waters off the west of Ireland in 1917.

Period-style 'coal-burner' tall funnel made from the barrel of a freebie bank pen. I scratchbuilt the bridge to give a little more antique/rustic feel than the kit's single-piece 'box.' The kit's molded poop-deck had an odd raised platform; it was easier to just replace that deck section in its entirety then to hack off the unwanted bit and fill and sand. Most of the rest of the kit is stock, just re-worked (or parts moved around) to suit.

Tricked out with Tom's Modelworks etched railings, doors and ladders, and Alliance Modelworks' gorgeous etched ratlines. Rigging a combination of EZ-Line and good old-fashioned stretched sprue.

Then there are the weapons. Did I mention the weapons? The trick is to lure the U-Boat to attack by appearing to be a 'helpless' solitary merchantman....

Launched as Atholl Star, 'my' ship was re-christened HMS Burnham Wood when taken into RN service. Weapons depicted are pretty 'typical' of real Q-ships fitting-out, based on historical accounts. All weapons positions...and the 'ruses' depicted to conceal them...are based (some broadly, some precisely) on authentic accounts and /or photographs. (You can't make this stuff up....)
(Armament mostly courtesy of Mirage 1/400 Wickes-class 'spares')

It was great fun to do. Hope you enjoy it.

Greg

 

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Posted by Griffin25 on Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27 PM

That is a terrific looking Q ship! Great job turning a not so good kit into a real gem.

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Posted by fox on Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:42 PM

Great build Greg! Gotta get me one of those. The last one I had was sunk by an M-80 while plying her wares in Cobbs Creek many many years ago.Wink

Jim  Captain

P.S. Do you mind if  borrow some of your ideas? Yours looks a heck of a lot better than mine.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:54 PM

Griffin25

That is a terrific looking Q ship! Great job turning a not so good kit into a real gem.

 

Thats an understatement! That kit doesn't really even qualify as a scale model. I am working on one, by the time I'm done about all that's left is the hull.

Great job. I actually kinda prefer the civilian side of her.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM

Naw ! I don't think it up to my standards . LOL.LOL.LOL.

 Of course that is B&^%% S&*( too . It's innovative well done and I  think it spells " Q " ship in even it's smell  ). It is an old seasoned ocean warrior . Well done , well weathered and a lot like a lot of tramps that plyed the oceans back then . 

 Think , now , You see why I recommend Lindberg ships for starter projects ? They allow you to drift along inventing constantly . Think again . How many decks and bridges like this did Humprey Bogart , Edward  G.  Robinson and Charles Laughton and the " Duke " Walk as in some cases , Besotted old rummys  trying to make easy money while Staying away from authorities in many ports .

    Yup , Lindberg , the old trustworthy incorrect company  does provide a service , Starting with it's is poorer offerings , which transport one to many different ways and times  and types . Gotta Love Em .    T.B. 

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Friday, February 17, 2017 6:47 AM

Tankker, You forgot to mention John Wayne.  This Q-ship is amazing, I really love it.  I have this kit and you given me a some great ideas on how to modify it to really look like a real Q-ship.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, February 17, 2017 9:02 AM

Love the shroud/ratlines.  Who is the Vendor for Alliance Modelworks?

I have that kit, and intend to build it as a Great Lakes freighter- there was a line of lakers with ships very similar- will need to cut off and modify one deck, but other than that it is pretty close.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, February 17, 2017 9:30 AM

Thanks, gents.

Don Stauffer

Love the shroud/ratlines.  Who is the Vendor for Alliance Modelworks?

I have that kit, and intend to build it as a Great Lakes freighter- there was a line of lakers with ships very similar- will need to cut off and modify one deck, but other than that it is pretty close.

I checked a number of 'hobby' suppliers---all of whom seemed to be out of stock---then found them on Amazon at the same price. Had 'em inside a week.

I grew up on the shores of the Great Lakes...and also saw your mention of the type on an earlier 'Q-Ship' thread in the 'what ship is this based on?' discussion...so the GL freighter was in the running. But about that time I ran across the memoir of VAdm Gordon Campbell (VC), who successfully commanded a number of such ships during the war (and sank a number of U-boats doing it), so the 'Q-ship' route was the only way to go for me.

Purely coincidentally, today is the 100th anniversary of the battle with and sinking of SM U-83, for which Campbell was awarded his VC. Worth recalling a bunch of brave men who went to sea knowing they were supposed to be targets.

Greg

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:43 AM

Don ;

   There probably would have been some lakes built ships in the bunch .They used the most appropiate vessesl trapped in port . T.B.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, February 18, 2017 9:04 AM

The company/line bought four ships from government after war, used them as package freight & passengers tramping GL ports.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by dafi on Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:34 PM
:-) :-) :-) Love it ! XXXDAn
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Posted by onyxman on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:59 AM
Fantastic job! About time somebody did this, and actually finished the job. Mine is still waiting for new inspiration. Fred
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Posted by gregbale on Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:45 AM

onyxman
Fantastic job! About time somebody did this, and actually finished the job. Mine is still waiting for new inspiration. Fred

Thanks, Fred! I drew a lot of inspiration and many good ideas from that 'stretch the Lindberg hull' thread you were part of a year or so ago. But I didn't have the gumption to turn it into something 'real' (plan-wise, at least) like you guys were doing---I just basically 'put a dress on the pig.'

Still, it was loads of fun, and I certainly appreciate the kind words!

Greg

 

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Posted by onyxman on Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:29 AM

I must admit I bought ANOTHER of these pigs with a project more like yours in mind.

Fred

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Posted by gregbale on Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:17 AM

onyxman

I must admit I bought ANOTHER of these pigs with a project more like yours in mind.

Fred

It's the perfect 'project' kit: dirt-cheap (relatively speaking), and you don't feel the least bit hesitant about cutting or poking holes---pretty much any change is an improvement!

Greg

 

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Posted by PFJN on Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:14 AM

Hi,

I have to admit that I kind of like many of these older kits for the same reasons.  With some newer more detailed kits I sometimes get a little reluctant to make the 1st "cut"/glue the 1st piece/or in any other ways just start the kit, because I'm not sure how best to proceed etc and what might be the best way to make any changes.   And/or, sometimes I'm just too intimidated to try to make any big changes at all and maybe mess everything up.

With older Lindberg, Airfix and Revell kits though I'm much more comfortable cutting things up and just trying random ideas.

Right now I have an 85-90% complete "Eastern Express" model of the Battleship Potemkin done that I hope to experiment with PhotoEtch and rigging on, a 60% complete Lindberg Q-Ship that I am in the process of trying to convert into a generic WWI era cargo ship, and a 40% done Lindberg USS Shangri-la that I ahve completely hacked down to the bare hull and am making a whole new ship out of.

On the other hand I have larger scale kits of USS Oregon, USS Olympia, the Kniaz Suvorov, a Flower Class Corvette, the Heller kits for the carriers Foch, Clemanceau and Colossus, plus a 1/700 scale kit of the light carrier HMS Invincible and somw Mirage Hobbies Polish vessels that I just haven't been able to bring myself to start yet. Big Smile  (And I'm really tempted to also pick up a copy of the 1/350 scale battleships Tsesarevich and Gangut or Sevastopol, but I'm trying to hold off on them for now)

For now though old Lindberg, Airfix and Revell kits are filing a useful nitch for my, giving me a chance to play around with stuff, practice on techniques that I don't have a lot of experience with (like photoetch and rigging etc).  Plus they also give me a chance to just kind of freehand ideas and try different things.

Pat

 

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, March 03, 2017 4:48 PM

Couldn't agree more, Pat. The 'cheapies' make it a lot easier to experiment or try that ambitious mod that may not quite work out. It's a good bit more daunting to take the hobby knife or saw to a kit that approaches a three-figure price tag.

Greg

 

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Posted by PFJN on Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:00 PM

Hi,

Here's an in-process picture of my Q-ship model, along with the image off the internet that I have been using as a rough guide for painting. 

The painting is going very slowly, in part because it's been a bit of trial-and-error on how best to do it, and also in part because I usually put a coat on in the morning before work, and then a 2nd coat when I get home, and let it dry till the next day (with a lot of small touch ups along the way).

Anyway, I hope the other side might go a bit quicker.

Pat

Q-Ship Stbd side,

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Posted by gregbale on Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:12 PM

PFJN

Hi,

Here's an in-process picture of my Q-ship model, along with the image off the internet that I have been using as a rough guide for painting. 

The painting is going very slowly, in part because it's been a bit of trial-and-error on how best to do it, and also in part because I usually put a coat on in the morning before work, and then a 2nd coat when I get home, and let it dry till the next day (with a lot of small touch ups along the way).

Anyway, I hope the other side might go a bit quicker.

Pat

Q-Ship Stbd side,

Very, very nice. Looks well-worth the patience it requires. (I've done similar 'dazzle' schemes on small ships, including a 1/400 four-stacker destroyer; slow and careful is definitely the way to go!) Thanks for posting the pic.

Greg

 

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Posted by PFJN on Sunday, March 05, 2017 9:26 PM

Hi,

Don't mean to hijack this thread, but on the topic of cheap models, I picked up a $5 little 1/25th scale plastic modern Ford Mustang car model (that came in a plastic bag/no box) at my local hobby store that looks like a perfect start for a "what-if" project.

Maybe I'll post pics on the Auto subforum once I start it.

Pat

 

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