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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 5:05 PM

I downloaded them to my Photobucket account, then posted them from there. I suspect that the viewability issue has something to do with the interface between Navsource's and FSM's websites.

 

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Posted by Finn on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:50 PM

I can see the two last pictures. Wha did you do? Useful to know for the future!

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:48 PM

Here is a better shot of the float plane. The rudder is marked SON-1, which was the Naval Aircraft factory version built SOC-3

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:44 PM

Got it working. Once I opened one from Navsource, they all appeared like magic.

Yes those are Seagulls.

Their tails are painted blue because she's in Division 3, their cowls are red because she's the first Section in the Division. If memory serves, the full cowl paint makes that Seagull the first aircraft in the Section.

Tracy can probably correct me.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:43 PM

OK, I am trying another method here to upload the same photos, since there seem to be issues...

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:36 PM

stikpusher

How wide would you guys estimate that the planking visible in this photo is? 6"? 9"? Even the more distant stuff on the stern is fairly well visible

FINALLY figured out how to look at it (the one thats from Life).

Can't be more than about 5".

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:23 PM

Nope, I give up. When I use rich formatting in "quote" to reply, icons show up in Carlos' original post, but I can't open them.

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 2:52 PM

LOL, Don't feel left out! I now can see all the pictures in this thread without having to click on anything. I have no idea why now and not before Confused.

Finn,

I saw red X's in boxes where the picture(s) should have been before. I didn't see them in each post of Stik's, just one. Now I see all the pictures and no red X's. Go figure.

Mike

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:44 PM

I feel so left out! Or, this is an elaborate hoax...

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:40 AM

Well, if your avatar is a hint as to your area of interest and knowledge, I can confess to the same sort of ignorance in sailing vessels. I could not tell you the difference between a bark, a schooner, or a clipper if I saw them all at once.

While I am not well versed on floatplanes, I am pretty sure that the Duck was not used in the catapult/ scout-spotter role at all.

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:49 AM

Yikes! I knew that! Embarrassed

What I thought I saw in the photo was a difference in the canopies. That made me wonder whether or not it might have been a different plane (The Grumman J2F-6 Duck comes to mind) but I suppose that would be unlikely.

Now that I'm looking at the image a little more closely it does seem like they're both of the same ilk. That they would be different now seems ridiculous - just shows off my ignorance of military aircraft.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 6, 2014 2:36 AM

The Kingfisher was a monoplane, while the Seagull was a biplane. Possibly the last operational Biplane in US service that was not a trainer.

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:56 PM

Thanks Stik.

I thought they were probably either a Seagull or a Kingfisher but could not tell for sure.

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Posted by Finn on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:52 PM

I see nothing to click on!!!!! Only the text. And I'm on a standard PC....

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:44 PM

Photos are showing up for me on mobile... After I clicked on one...

 

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Posted by Finn on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:42 PM

What red "X" are you talking about?

I saw the pictures earlier, but now I don't.... What is happening here; Are pictures removed or what?

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:41 PM

I am pretty sure that those are Curtiss SOC Seagulls. They were replaced by the OS2U Kingfisher in the early part of the war. But they did see combat at least thru 1942

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:17 PM

OK,

Now, after having clicked on the red "X", I can see those pictures that do not show up on my monitor.

Stik,

What kinds of float planes are those in the background?

Mike

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:40 AM

I am trying two different methods for posting the same photo here. To those of you annoyed by this, my apologies. Guys I am having no problems seein them on my computer, but my internet and computer skills are pretty basic. Anyways another full color shot off USS Idaho in 1941 and yes, a guestimate based off of the shoes compared to the planking, 6" sounds like a reasonable estimate.

 

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Posted by arnie60 on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 12:01 AM

Mike;

had the same prob w/ the pic, but it showed up fine after I clicked on it. And those planks certainly do not look like they could be more than 6" wide. The starboard bollard looks to have five, possibly six, planks across its width. At six inches that would put the base of the bollard at 2.5 to 3 feet. Seems reasonable.

Re: a scaled deck... Scaledecks.com does decking in 1/700, 1/350, and 1/96. It is less than 1/100 in. thick, so not a major problem for fitting furniture etc. They have a number of pre-cut decks for several models, but also offer an uncut sheet in the scale of your choice. They also offer them in 3 different woods, one being teak.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 4, 2014 6:23 PM

I think Sticko is pulling our leg, Mike!

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Posted by 1943Mike on Monday, August 4, 2014 6:18 PM

I've not seen the pictures after trying IE9, Firefox, Opera, and Google.

Mike

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Posted by Finn on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:59 PM

Really great pictures!

In your last post I could see both pictures in my email but only the first one here on the forum...

I use Opera

A shoe is close to 4.5" wide. From your last picture I would guess the planking is about 5.5" TO 6" wide.

In 1/350 that is 0.4mm to 0.44mm wide. Barely printable I would say.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:48 PM

firefox

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:45 PM

Hmmmmm... I dont know what to tell you guys. The photos show up perfectly fine on my monitor in both cases. What browser are you using?

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:39 PM

weird still dont see it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:32 PM

Came out fine here when I posted, but I will try posting in a different manner

here is a different photo from the same series, close up. I would venture that that planks are no larger than 6" here

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 4, 2014 3:13 PM

I dont see it either.

Evergreen makes a scribed styrene sheet called "passenger car siding" to replicate the Budd stainless car sides. It's 0.025" spacing, great stuff.

Whoops- already been said!

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, August 4, 2014 2:50 PM

I don't understand why Finn could see the photo and I couldn't - even on my nice desktop Mac.

I think it would be great if somebody would sell scribed styrene decking in 1/700, but to my knowledge nobody does. The finest I've bumped into is Evergreen's, which goes down to .025" spacing. That's mighty small - 8 1/2" on 1/350 scale, or 17" on 1/700. ( www.evergreenscalemodels.com/Sheets.htm )

I've always had my doubts about decks printed on sheets of wood. As GMorrison pointed out, there's room for doubt about whether it actually looks like miniature wood, because of the grain pattern. On the other hand, some of the photos of those printed sheets do look mighty impressive.

The bottom line is that the best way to reproduce a planked deck is to lay individual planks. The late, great Donald McNarry did it on scales down to at least 1/32"=1' or 1/384 ( www.donaldmcnarryshipmodels.com/26.html ). He used fine holly shavings taken from a plane, cut to width and length with a razor blade. If I remember right, when he was a younger man (with young eyesight) he did some warships and liners with individual scale planks on 1/600 scale. I suggest, though, that we mere mortals learn to be satisfied with what's currently available - which is pretty daggone good. And maybe, sometime fairly soon, one of the kit manufacturers will produce something even better. Take a close look at the Tamiya Missouri, or the Trumpeter Queen Elizabeth, both in 1/700. They sure impress me.

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