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Spanish Galleon 1607 , LEE(IMAI) 1:100

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, February 08, 2018 5:40 AM

Kirill,

Happy Birthday!! Yours is three days after mine (the 18th).  Keep up the outstanding modeling! I love your style.

Bill

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Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, February 08, 2018 4:02 PM

Good day,

Dear friends...there is some small progress in rigging... during last few days I've made topgallant fall rigging/tackle - as refrence I used Vasa reconstraction rigging plan ...and continue with mizzen mast rigging

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Posted by docidle on Sunday, February 11, 2018 11:16 PM

Amazing work as always Krill! I seem to remember that you make all your own blocks, is that correct?

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by kirill4 on Monday, February 12, 2018 4:51 AM

Good day Steve ,

Thanks for your comments, 

blocks and deadeyes- yes , half of them I made by myself , from two components steel putty, next half - I asked one of my friend to cast it from resin... presently almost run out of small 2 mm size...

But this metod of making blocks - I didn't like -too complicated to make them looks good and huge time consuming... I think it is much easy to purchase fabric wooden block- more accurte than my "hand made" :)))

I'm afraid bonaventur mast riging I will make with wooden blocks , recently found some shop who made small size wooden blocks , started from 2 mm... they make them from hard wood and very accurate in shape! ...very handy for manipulation!

...I tried blocks from other shop , they are nice and accurate, looks great ...but wood is very soft...and when I try to strope them(small ones), easily damage them but didn't succed to rig them :(

There is small progress with mizzen mast rigging...

arranged additional lead block for MTglnt halliards 

fitted topmast shrouds

completed/painted and stained main topgallant halliards crowsfeet /which were secured to mizzen stay

made and installed mizzen topmst stay - this was made just "based on" Anderson's book and old arts /picturs , but this my version of topmast stay mizzen rigging has no specific prototype...

inital my idea was to make it the same as on Elizabet Jonas galleon model (stay completely devided in two separte legs)...but later on I changed my mind due to most of the ancient pictures demonstrated differnt stay arrangement - it started as single rope and later on, somewhere in the middle devided in two legs and than secured to the aft shrouds by means of crowsfeet...

      

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Posted by kirill4 on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:22 AM

Good day,l

today completed with mizzen top stay rigging( yesterday fitted crowsfeet painted and stained)

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Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:25 AM

Good day,

Dear friends,

have some small progress in building - mizzen and bonaventur mast stage...

 

* prepaired rings and rings bolts ,simplest way - made it from soft metal wire, drill 1 mm for th rings calibration , and sweing needle for ring bolt calibration...

 and blocks for latin sails lifts - made them from resin casting and partly , from plastic telephn.cards 

        

 

*than prepaired and installed bonaventur mast's shrouds 

        

 

and finaly - bonaventur mast stay - first loaded it a little bit, than made loop with splicing imitation and finished/stained a little ...

      

 

Wish all of you all the best ... :)

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:13 AM

beautiful work as alway's kirill , alway's wondered what the 4th mast was called , now I know . 

steve5

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:23 PM

Boy ;

 It's hard to believe that years ago I used to do that for clients . After my Chest Crush /Upper Left accident I stopped doing that . It took two years to train my left hand and then I couldn't get the hand to behave  , on small stuff . Besides at my present age I go crosseyed . Very well done .

 I wonder though . Is that kit made of the same plastic . Mine took all kinds of regular stains well , just like Wood !

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Posted by kirill4 on Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:29 AM

Steve, Tanker-Builder ,

Thank you very much for your attention and comments ! 

presently busy with making ratlines... :))) it will take time...! 

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Posted by keavdog on Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:24 AM

Stunning work.  You, sir, are a fine scale modeler!

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Nino on Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:19 AM

kirill4

Steve, Tanker-Builder ,

Thank you very much for your attention and comments ! 

 

     This Thread is the Best Entertainment ever. And bringing up your full resolution pictures is just the Wow Factor a newbie modeler (me) needs. Thank You Kirill.

    As Tanker Builder said, Does the Lee Spanish Galleon plastic take Oil washes similar to the original IMAI plastic?  I know from other Threads (DavidK, et al…)  the IMAI kits are valued for their quality of mold and material…and they do take “stain” well.

     There are two "re-issues/copies" of this kit;  The Lee version and a Modelist version from Russia.  It has been suggested that both Lee and Modelist made pantograph copies of kits in the past. Do you think Lee used the actual IMAI mold for this model?  Your ship sure looks very detailed as far as wood grain and small parts which implies it is from the real mold. 

    Nino

 

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Posted by kirill4 on Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:03 PM

Good day keavdog, Nino,

Thanks for your comments ! :)

I think / could expect...this Lee kit will take oil washes... I didn't see original Imai plastic kit of this galleon, but this , Lee kit, is in very good quality /wood grain presented, as You can see on above posted  pictures...

and my washes works well...I didn' t use oil washes , has no experience with them, but for "stain "( mix of abt 100 ml) I use artists dry pastels powder mixed with water ,1 drop of dish washing detergent and tea spoon of alcohol...

apply/ let it dry/ remove excess by cotton stick...and if results found good - fix it by acrylic matt warnish

in this , Lee kit , plastic is very good /I  like it- it is hard ,and I left it as it is ,for masts and spars without replacement for the  wood, except bowsprit - it was replaced for the wood due to too much load of fore mast standing rigging on it from one side only...

I saw in internet shop that russian repack of Imai galleon,which You mentioned...but I don't know what is the quality of the kit

Wish You All the Best!

Kirill

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Posted by kirill4 on Monday, February 19, 2018 9:52 AM

Good day,

DEAR FRIENDS ,

last couple of days -were spent for mizzen shrouds ratlines ...

than bonaventur mast shrouds will remain [kaffee]

 

       

 

looks a little bit too thick( same thrad was good/visualy/ for fore and main shrouds  but)... but for mizzen left it like this due to don't have thinner thread

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:48 PM

Krill,

Thank you for the information on how you make blocks, it was very informative. Your rigging work is just amazing, so thanks for sharing. 

I have not tried resin casting yet but I was thinking of carving blocks for my Catalan Ship from styrene. Not sure how I am going to get consistent sized blocks though. One more thing to think about.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by kirill4 on Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:56 AM

Good day Steve,

This question, rigging plastic model with correct blocks, sometimes became very important ! :)

In this , Lee galleon kit, blocks were included, but due to absolute wrong size and shape ,I didn't use them...and tried to find another solution ...

That time, I didn't know abt specialized model shops , with available correct blocks...and decided to make them by myself ...finaly I made half " set" of ness-ry quantaty and shapes, and another half were fabricated/ resin casted by one of my friend... but I could say -selfmaking all ness- ry blocks for complete rigging 3-4 masts sailing vessel model ...  this is not easiest way  :)))

for Catalan Ship model,there is one mast and one sail, there are not too much blocks , and almost all of them have same shape and size...make them from styrene maybe not so bad idea! :))) 

When need to rigg 3-4 masts square rigg ship,with huge q-ty of blocks,

may be the easy way , to fabricate set of master model blocks first, and then just reproduce/ to cast them from resin as much as ness-ry...

Or purchase them in one of specialized shop, if all ness-ry sizes and shapes available...sometimes small blocks , like 2mm ,of good quality, difficult to find...

 

Kirill

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:58 AM

Kirill,

Have you looked online at HisModel in Czechoslovakia?  He runs an eBay store as well as a website from which you can make purchases.  He focuses on sailing ships of all eras. His blocks and sails are superb.

Bill

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Posted by kirill4 on Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:20 AM

Good day Bill,

Yes, I know Radek , and purchased a few raritet models from his stock and cnc wood block as well, various sizes ,as test , never did it before ,and just wanted to know , what is it , cnc block ? :)))

and I bouth it.

What I wanted to say - I liked very much his shop service and way of  communication with him as well , all models received in exelent condition and with all parcell relevant information.

about cnc blocks from his shop, pls note, I think, Radek don''t make it by him self... just found supplier... I expect -  from China - they are very accurate in production and shape ,but the only one disadvantage- made from very soft wood...damn itBig Smile... and unfortunately  I was , me personal,I was not able to manage rigging small blocks of 2.0 mm ... tried to hold and rigg them...but every my attempts - just damage blocks when I tried to hold them with tweezers, I damaged them...due to very soft wood...

it was the only one personal, let's say, "negative" remark about 2 mm block only...:)))

than, later on, I found one of the russian small company

http://lavka-korabela.ru/categories/bloki,

who was able to provide me with same block size, same quality made, but from hard wood... I don't know where they find original maker,do it themself, or fpund some maker in China , as well ,as Radek found his supplier, may be... but the only difference in wood origin, but it makes big difference when You rigg blocks as modeller... at least for me personal, it was much easy to rigg this blocks without damage them...due to hard wood material...

please consider all said above as personal opinoin only! :))) looks like due to my ..." hands"

about rigging 2 mm cnc block from Radek shop

:)))

 I saw other moddelers made exelent examples with those blocks...

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Posted by kirill4 on Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:59 AM

Steve,

those blocks , for Catalan Ship,they are very specific in shape, and the way they are rigged... You be need to make them by yourself,I never see like this in the shops...ConfusedSmile

there are a few good foto original catalan model... # 5 post

http://karopka.ru/forum/forum263/topic18885/

http://karopka.ru/community/user/8991/?MODEL=375005

 

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Posted by Model Monkey on Friday, February 23, 2018 8:41 AM

Absolutely brilliant!

Thanks for taking us to school.

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Posted by scottrc on Friday, February 23, 2018 9:31 AM

Krill,

Your pictures say a 1000 words and make it very easy to understand your techniques, which by the way will really help for my next rigging project.  

Woderful work.

Scott

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Posted by midelburgo on Wednesday, February 28, 2018 5:29 PM

Thank you, this thread is a treasure of practical information and meaning pictures. I have both the Vincenzo Lusci original 1962 plans and the Imai kit, but probably I will never start the thing.

Another kit on some of Lusci's plans, the 1540 Santiago de Compostela galleon, is going to be released this year by a Spanish maker, Disarmodel. But it will be outdated from the start.

I consider the most up to date Spanish Galleon (early 1600s) kit today is the San Martin by Dusek. It is based on the 2012 book by Hormaechea, Rivera and Derqui

https://www.academia.edu/19453876/Los_galeones_espa%C3%B1oles_del_siglo_XVII_-_Tomo_I

https://www.academia.edu/19454708/Los_galeones_espa%C3%B1oles_del_siglo_XVII_-_Tomo_II

They were modelists before becoming historians, so they have a special sensitivity towards building. The only problem I see (not having started yet the kit) is that the 1588 San Martin was a Portuguese man o war, made probably in India, and not a 1600s Spanish Galleon. Occre San Martin, I think from Rubio Serrano 1991 plans, is aimed in that direction.

By the way, the links in the cloud from a couple of years ago do not seem to work anymore.

Cheers!

 

 

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Posted by kirill4 on Friday, March 02, 2018 3:55 PM

Good day,

Dear midelburgo,

Thanks for attention to this building... interesting, what is the  Lusci's plans, the 1540 Santiago de Compostela galleon? 

I have one set of drwng of 1540 Santiago de Compostela galleon  , but I don't know who is author...

San Martin from Dusek , I didn't see yet... I saw his" Golden Hind " kit only

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Posted by kirill4 on Friday, March 02, 2018 4:06 PM

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Posted by kirill4 on Friday, March 02, 2018 4:14 PM

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Posted by midelburgo on Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:57 AM

Yes, those are the plans for the Santiago Galleon. They were originally comercialized by Vincenzo Lusci in the 1960s but the author I think was a Mr. Gay. They are re-released in kit form.

The interesting point in Dusek ship is the hull.

XVIth century Spanish galleons have almost no decoration at all. And only a tiny bit inXVIIth century, much less than other countries. They were becoming more and more black with each tarring. I do not know from where that use of hanging shields in Spanish galleons comes. It is something you see in other countries but it is unusual for Spain.

 

Seville river,

  

The best pictures for late XVIth century early XVIIth galleons come from Hendrick Vroom. He travelled through the Meditaerranean and in the 1580s he was shipwrecked near Lisbon. Until he was able to return to the Netherlands he earned his life there painting the ships he was seing in Lisbon. So he became familiar with the ships from many countries to the last detail.

The one you show here, from Cornelis van Wieringen was made in 1625 about the 1588 armada, it could have a mixture of details from both periods.

The last ship seems based on Lusci/Gay Santiago de Compostela plans?

 

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Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, March 03, 2018 6:12 AM

Good day,

Thank You very much for information, and new pictures - save them in my galleon's foto storage :)))

I like very much Hendrick Vroom pictures - he shown a lot of interesting derails in his pictures!

Here I tried to collect various artists " arts"/ pictures with galleons images ...

http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t5753f763-galleons-pictures-spanish-dutch-english-begining-of-century-famous-dutch-artists.html

I agree with your comment abt :

"XVIth century Spanish galleons have almost no decoration at all. And only a tiny bit inXVIIth century, much less than other countries. They were becoming more and more black with each tarring. I do not know from where that use of hanging shields in Spanish galleons comes. It is something you see in other countries but it is unusual for Spain."

I used this famous  picture, as the "base " /avidance of hanging shields and a "few" rudimentary stern decoration and shape of bow figure ( animal head only), which I tried to reproduce on my model...:))) ... at least we can see them , this elements, on the picture... decoration as mix of geometrical and looks like carving / painted ornaments and bow head figure...

 

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Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, March 03, 2018 6:47 AM

for the last, spanish galleon's  model,

I have this plans...  if you need them , let me know

 

 

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Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:55 AM

Good day,

Dear friends ,this time\"season"  I did last portion of my galleon rigging ... mizzen and bonaventur mast ... sails fastened to the yards ... and one more time I rearranged main mast topgallant halliards, two additional lead blocks were arranged/lashed to the mizzen stay , and running end fastened to half deck railings ...

remains of rigging... will be continued  in summer time , most probably in june -august... :)))

Wish all of you all the best and see you soon... in summer ! :)))

       

 

       

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