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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:16 PM
Let me tell you a story…
 
There is a man named Little Timmy. Little Timmy had a bountiful harvest of Halloween candy this year, and he is feeling very generous. He decides to share. So… he throws some candy into a rabbit hole and shouts, Bakster! Do you want some candy? Don’t they look good lit up and such?
 
Meanwhile, Bakster, he is bedazzled by the colorful brightly lit candy. He is nearly half way into the hole when Steve 5 comes along wearing his size 11 boots. Get in there, he says. And with a swift kick… Bakster is sent on a one-way journey into the rabbit hole.
 
Gentleman… you have sent me on a NAV light journey.
 
Now—having said all that. I want you to know that the Christmas deadline is assuredly blown. You have no idea of the fury that Admiral Nelson will inflict upon yours truly. I will surely need to sell him on the concept of functional exterior lighting, versus the use of dummy plugs.
 
All kidding aside. You two have opened a door that could take this build to a new level. I did a little research into fiber optics, and I may have stumbled on way to do it… at a minimal cost. The main issue that I see is… POWER. I found a process on how to use a standard LED to illuminate the fiber optic filaments. This will require adding another LED and tapping off my already limited two battery power supply. Unless, I can tap off one of the ones already installed.
 
If I can get this to work… it would be very cool. I was also thinking that I might even try to include functional lights on the fins. We’ll see. This is all a rabbit hole, but well worth going into.
 
Thanks for the push guys. More to follow.
 

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Posted by Hokey on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 2:06 PM
This really sounds cool. I'm hoping you post photos of the process and parts list of the items you used.
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Posted by Hodakamax on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 2:17 PM

While we are updating decades old technology in lighting with LEDs, It might be time to give the reactor an update. A mighty primative machine by todays standards even though state of the art at the time. It's probably being controled with vacuum tubes. I wonder if there's some update kit to get this thing out of the last century? Just a suggestion now that you've gone this far.

Max with free advice.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 5:52 PM

Hokey
This really sounds cool. I'm hoping you post photos of the process and parts list of the items you used.
 

No worries, I sure will.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 6:10 PM

Hodakamax

While we are updating decades old technology in lighting with LEDs, It might be time to give the reactor an update. A mighty primative machine by todays standards even though state of the art at the time. It's probably being controled with vacuum tubes. I wonder if there's some update kit to get this thing out of the last century? Just a suggestion now that you've gone this far.

Max with free advice.

 

Lol... Okay Max. Your free advice is noted. Just remember one thing. When a hostile nation explodes a nuke high in the atmosphere, the resulting EMP will have no affect on my vacuum tubes. The Seaview will continue to menace the deep. Yes

Wink

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Posted by Hodakamax on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:18 PM

Well you do have a point. Even though dated you'll probably still have excess power to create big wake which was a major goal of the project I assume. So carry on I say! Big Smile

Max

Hey, without any model projects going on at the moment this is the only way I have of breaking into the Forum, LOL!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:04 PM

Hodakamax

Hey, without any model projects going on at the moment this is the only way I have of breaking into the Forum, LOL!

 

You keep doing so, Max. It's all about having some fun!

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:18 PM

Bakster
BTW, Capn. I bet that at night the star canopy is really something to behold when you are at sea. There is very little light polution once you get away from land. Do you concur? Star gazing is something that I love to do when the opportunity presents itself. Not much of that around here! There is too much light pollution. The closest I came to a dark sky was up north, and, what a sight to behold

If my experiences on Lake Michigan are any guide, you get 10-20 miles out (and probably 30-40 from chicagoland), or get onto Gitcheegoome, on a night after a cold front has come through, leaving that crystal clear cloudless sky, and you have a much better understanding of how the folk of old could percieve 24 stellar magnitudes.

Do that up yonder ways you might also get Aurora Borealis, too.  Only saw that the once, as a young child, in late Spring out on Lake Michigan.  Cool stuff.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:44 PM

Bakster
Now—having said all that. I want you to know that the Christmas deadline is assuredly blown. You have no idea of the fury that Admiral Nelson will inflict upon yours truly. I will surely need to sell him on the concept of functional exterior lighting, versus the use of dummy plugs.

I knew when I suggested this that I was "opening a can-o-worm"s'. 

I'm so sorry I did this to you. Feel free to take my name in vain......

(But if it works just watch..... I'll be telling people, Yeah..... that was my idea.)

I'm reasonably sure that you would have come up with this on your'e own...... just after you glued the plug's in.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:02 PM

your a character yourself LT , Geeked . I'm sure you would have thought of it yourself steve , and I wear size 12.5 boot's .

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:18 PM

So I am innocently scrolling through the forum, and think, "I'll take a look at the ship forum.  Don't know much about ship models, so let's see what is going on there".

Then I see this thread.  I start reading.  "Oh yeah, I remember that show, this will be cool.

Really enjoyed watching the progress unfold.

I do have one gripe, though.  I had to clean up the coffee I spit all over my desk laughing at your first cartoon.  Then I had to clean up some more reading the second (I am a slow learner, ask my mom).  Seeing no more cartoons, I thought I was safe.  Big sip, then the rabbit hole comment comes up.  Yup, you guessed it.  Messy desk V3.0.

Thank you for not only the trip of this build, but the humor as well.  Made my day.

Needless to say, I will be watching the rest of this build.

D  

 

Dwayne or Dman or just D.  All comments are welcome on my builds. 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 11:09 PM

ManCityFan

So I am innocently scrolling through the forum, and think, "I'll take a look at the ship forum.  Don't know much about ship models, so let's see what is going on there".

Then I see this thread.  I start reading.  "Oh yeah, I remember that show, this will be cool.

Really enjoyed watching the progress unfold.

I do have one gripe, though.  I had to clean up the coffee I spit all over my desk laughing at your first cartoon.  Then I had to clean up some more reading the second (I am a slow learner, ask my mom).  Seeing no more cartoons, I thought I was safe.  Big sip, then the rabbit hole comment comes up.  Yup, you guessed it.  Messy desk V3.0.

Thank you for not only the trip of this build, but the humor as well.  Made my day.

Needless to say, I will be watching the rest of this build.

D  

 

 

Say D... I'm glad you found this WIP, and, I am even more glad that you are enjoying it. Sorry about the coffee. It's Timmys fault. He keeps encouraging my bad behavior. Ha!

 

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 11:16 PM

littletimmy

 

I'm reasonably sure that you would have come up with this on your'e own...... just after you glued the plug's in.

 

Tim, you make me laugh man. You'd fit right in in our office. And you right about this. I would have figured it out too late. Seriously, thanks for planting that bug in my brain when you did. It was the perfect timing. Not much longer, and it would have been too late.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 11:25 PM

steve5

your a character yourself LT , Geeked . I'm sure you would have thought of it yourself steve , and I wear size 12.5 boot's .

 

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Steve-O...you give me too much credit. I think Tim nailed it. Seriously, I was gonna take the easy route. This will be way cooler. And buddy...when you chimed in on the subject...that nailed it for me. A big smile came over my face and I knew then what I had to do. PUNT!

No... Give it a whirl. 

Thanks for the correction about the shoe size!

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, November 1, 2017 11:29 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
BTW, Capn. I bet that at night the star canopy is really something to behold when you are at sea. There is very little light polution once you get away from land. Do you concur? Star gazing is something that I love to do when the opportunity presents itself. Not much of that around here! There is too much light pollution. The closest I came to a dark sky was up north, and, what a sight to behold

 

If my experiences on Lake Michigan are any guide, you get 10-20 miles out (and probably 30-40 from chicagoland), or get onto Gitcheegoome, on a night after a cold front has come through, leaving that crystal clear cloudless sky, and you have a much better understanding of how the folk of old could percieve 24 stellar magnitudes.

Do that up yonder ways you might also get Aurora Borealis, too.  Only saw that the once, as a young child, in late Spring out on Lake Michigan.  Cool stuff.

 

Capn ...thanks for that. I have a story that I will share with you on this. I will write it when I find some time. 

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Posted by littletimmy on Thursday, November 2, 2017 8:03 PM

Bakster
Sorry about the coffee. It's Timmys fault. He keeps encouraging my bad behavior. Ha!

This happened to me all the way through High School. Teacher's "loved me".

But I kept getting such bad grade's................. so did all my friend's!

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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Posted by littletimmy on Thursday, November 2, 2017 8:13 PM

Bakster
Seriously, I was gonna take the easy route. This will be way cooler

Another way you could do it would be to paint the inside of the conning tower Flat Black, then silver. then use a transparent green rod and a transparent red rod for the light's. Then you could put an LED in the sail and light both light's that way.

I only suggest this method because I have had bad luck trying to run Fiber optic.

( I also have trouble cooking "straight" spaggetti....... how do you get it into the pan??)

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, November 2, 2017 9:30 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster
Sorry about the coffee. It's Timmys fault. He keeps encouraging my bad behavior. Ha!

 

This happened to me all the way through High School. Teacher's "loved me".

But I kept getting such bad grade's................. so did all my friend's!

 

Lol. Somehow, this makes complete sense.  

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, November 2, 2017 9:44 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster
Seriously, I was gonna take the easy route. This will be way cooler

 

Another way you could do it would be to paint the inside of the conning tower Flat Black, then silver. then use a transparent green rod and a transparent red rod for the light's. Then you could put an LED in the sail and light both light's that way.

I only suggest this method because I have had bad luck trying to run Fiber optic.

( I also have trouble cooking "straight" spaggetti....... how do you get it into the pan??)

 

Where were you with this yesterday? Crikey. Too late. I ordered some filaments. I'm in the rabbit hole. Don't change the candy on me now. Lol.

Seriously...thanks for the other option though. I will keep that in mind. I have to try the fibre optics now that the course has been set.

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, November 3, 2017 5:07 PM

CapnMac82
Do that up yonder ways you might also get Aurora Borealis, too.  Only saw that the once, as a young child, in late Spring out on Lake Michigan.  Cool stuff.

 

Warning: Off Topic--long read. 

 

Capn… I have seen the Aurora Borealis twice. Once while at my parents’ house 160 mile north, and once, believe it or not, in Milwaukee. Both were spectacular.
 
Here is a story that I want to share with you. It occurred about 9 years ago.
 
I have a longtime friend that over the years has become increasingly disabled. At that time, she could still walk and such, but not for long distances. We were considering a trip to an area called Mackinac Island. We would not stay on the island (too expensive) but, rather, stay near there in an area called Saint Ignace.
 
My friend is on the couch thumbing through a travel brochure whilst relaying the activities available to us on the Island. As such…they do not allow motorized vehicles on the island. You travel about either by foot, bicycle, or horse drawn wagons. It sounds cool. But, I am thinking—our activities will be very limited due to her disability. This is an 8 hour drive each way… and this idea is sounding less attractive to me by the minute. I am in the kitchen preparing a meal when she says, “here is something that YOU might like. There is an area considered Dark Sky, and it is great for night photography.”
 
BANG! Lightbulbs, lightning, you name it. NOW… THIS is something that could make the trip work! Photography was a passion of mine at the time, and this sounded like an awesome opportunity to photograph the Milky Way.
 
I did my research. Boy, there is more involved than I thought. I quickly learn that the photo gear I own is not up to the task. I need a fast lens, and, a full frame sensor body. I rented both. Along with this, I had to determine the best time to go there in relation to the moon cycle. A risen or rising moon will kill the image. I found a small window of opportunity to do this, and, within the month that we wanted to go. Lastly, in lieu of staying on an island that the brochure mentions, I decide to find a different location, one that I can come and go to. The island they mention would require an overnight stay. The remaining problem is that I must find a location near the main road, where I can safely park, and, that allows access to Lake Michigan.
 
Fast forwarding to the day of the trip. We get up to the general area and I watch for an access point that I can use. I was getting a little worried because we were nearly past the area I hoped for, and, no access point thus far. Finally, we came across a rest area. Hallelujah! There is safe parking and it has a path to the lake. It looked perfect. This is it… onward ho…
 
The first night… cloudy.
 
The second night cloudy. All my intricate plans are on the verge of being laid waste.
 
The third and last evening is mostly cloudy. This is not looking good. I resorted to imaging the Mackinac Bridge. This might have to do. It is the nature of landscape photography. Often, you are at the mercy of nature. I was having fun though. The south side of the bridge is very scenic, and, it makes for some great imaging. There were a few other like-minded people there, and, we all seem to enjoy the moment.
 
As time went on, and as the sunset turned to dusk, the clouds parted. There is hope. I’m watching the time closely because there is a small window of time to do this, and, it is a 40-minute drive to get there. At about 9:45 PM I throw my gear into the trunk and head to the hotel. My friend expressed an interest in going with me. Not surprisingly, she was already in bed when I get there. She had a long and arduous day of shopping! So… I head out.
 
It gets darker and darker as I leave the city limits. Only, occasionally, do I see another car. I begin to question the wisdom of traveling in the dead of night, and, so far from the safety of home. My biggest fear is hitting one of the many deer that roam these areas. I said my prayers and push on.
 
And…. I arrive. There is a tractor trailer in the lot and one other vehicle. I do not see any activity with them. I assume the people are sleeping. The time is about 11:40 PM. I step out of the car and I immediately look up.  Hmm … yeah … lots of stars. In the lot there is a sort of street light blazing away that is washing things out some. Ah well…whatever. I get my gear, turn on the flashlight, and head in. There is a heavy tree line that separates the parking lot from the lake. Access to lake is over a wooden bridge that cuts through the tree line. I walk on through. When I get to the other side I am stunned at what I see. In front of me is a star canopy that extends down to the farthest edges of the lake. Never in my life have I seen so many stars. And, the tree line behind me completely obscures the parking lot light. I am not kidding when I say this. I GASPED.
 
I stand there a minute to take it in, and, for my eyes to adjust. It was a calm night, barely a breath of wind. Except for the gentle waves rolling in, it was dead quiet. The scene is truly surreal. I felt as though I were standing on a patch of ground suspended in deep space. It was so dark, and there are so many stars, it seems the stars themselves are casting a heavenly ethereal light on everything. It was out of this world.
 
I went about my business to image the Milky Way. I am struggling to stay focused on the task at hand. When I was satisfied, I turn the flashlight off, and take in the moment. It wasn’t long when I notice a glow on the horizon. The suspected culprit being a rising moon. I head to the car and sure enough, there is the moon. It had risen behind the tree line and out of my view. I load my gear and head back. The full moon is square in my windshield as the road threads its way back to Saint Ignace. This is a secondary light show for me to enjoy. I made it to the hotel safely.
 
I kid you not.  I was haunted by this experience for at least three days. It was awesome.
 
Below: This is one of the images that I captured. Keep in mind that the Milky Way is not this visible to the human eye, even at this location. It is the long shutter speed that builds up the image. Of course, this image does not do justice to the scene.
  

 

 

 

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, November 3, 2017 8:42 PM

Dang, that's impressive.

Back when I lived more rurally--90 miles from both Houston and Waco--I would head out for Perseids and the Leonids (dark sky was an easy 30 minute drive).

Go out casually with no cameras--always great views and plenty of motion to see.
Take cameras?  Sheesh, nothing.  Or, it would have glaring flaws; meteors looking more like scratches across the emulsion; or a passing plane looking like a bad Polluck in cheap highlighter.

So, instead, such things are photographed on that more fickle of medium, human memory.

________________________________________

On fiberoptics--they are wonders.  But, their Achilles heel is that they have finite radia to which they can be bent.
However, refraction and reflection can be your friend.  Hoever that involves rather precise cuttign and polishing teeny-tiny bits of clear styrene.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, November 3, 2017 9:03 PM

Thats a good story. I saw it once, I was visiting a friend of mine in Finland, she lived with her folks on their dairy farm WAY up North.

We'd go out for long walks at night and it was really dark. One night we went over to visit some friends of hers. Walking back we saw a long low glow on  the Northern horizon.

Time flies she's now a Grandmother.

This is a great thread.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, November 4, 2017 1:23 AM

great story steve , seem's your also an excellent orator , amongst your many other talent's Bow Down .and where did you pick up , give it a whirl , that's an old aussie expression .

 

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 4, 2017 8:45 AM

Hey Steve, thanks my friend.

You know... I have no clue where I picked that up. I have been using it for years not knowing that its Aussie. Thanks for educating me. One day, I would like to hear a story from you, about your neck of the woods. Yes

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 4, 2017 8:54 AM

GMorrison

Thats a good story. I saw it once, I was visiting a friend of mine in Finland, she lived with her folks on their dairy farm WAY up North.

We'd go out for long walks at night and it was really dark. One night we went over to visit some friends of hers. Walking back we saw a long low glow on  the Northern horizon.

Time flies she's now a Grandmother.

This is a great thread.

 

 

Your story sounds awesome too, G. I can just imagine it... I suspect that long glow was the moon coming up from the backside. It is a shame that urban living robs all that magic from us.

Thanks for saying...

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 4, 2017 9:17 AM

CapnMac82

So, instead, such things are photographed on that more fickle of medium, human memory.


________________________________________
 

Capn...and there is wisdom. Though I have a photo to help remember it by, it is a sad substute for the real thing.

Thanks about the fibre optics. This is new to me, and this is good info to have. I tracked my order and I expect it today. I hope to do some crude testing by tomorrow.

I fully expect to see major light loss in how I plan to do this. I like to keep my expectations low. Even if this proves true, I'd be happy with moderate light output. Less than moderate, probably not so happy. We will see. I might have a preliminary update on this by tomorrow. I am eager to see how this shakes out.

 

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Posted by Hodakamax on Saturday, November 4, 2017 10:37 AM

Whoa! Great photographic persistence story and results! It's not luck getting great photos, It's being there at the right time with the right equipment and pulling it off. No great shots off the couch I always mention to wannabe photographers. Good story and good job plus you had the neat experience of being blown away as a side effect.

Max, the old photographer.Smile

BTW, Northern lights have even reached into SE Kansas a few times in my life. I recall as a kid seeing a red Northern sky several times and even a few decades ago Kansas was bombarded with a couple of spectacular nights of first class shafts, waves and colors. Good show!

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Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, November 4, 2017 7:49 PM

Bakster
Here is a story that I want to share with you. It occurred about 9 years ago.

You sir, can "tell a story" ! If I ever get around to it, I want you to write my autobiography. We can start with the year I hichhiked around the cou ntry with "The Gratefull Dead"  ( Not that I remember much of it.)

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, November 4, 2017 9:14 PM

Wow! Yet another facet of Timmy is revealed. YOU SiR, make me smile. That must have been a serious adventure by doing that. You must have a ton of stories tell. 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, November 4, 2017 9:19 PM

Bakster
Wow! Yet another facet of Timmy is revealed. YOU SiR, make me smile. That must have been a serious adventure by doing that. You must have a ton of stories tell. 

 HA!!!! I can only remember about 20 min. of my 4 month  "adventure"...... And 10 min. of that involve a Sherrif..... who had no idea why I set up my "campsite on the lawn of the Sherrif's office......

 

 

                                 OOPS!!!!!!!!!

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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