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Moebius Seaview 1:350 scale WIP

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 04, 2018 7:53 PM

Hey Timmy...

well said sir. The key is not to give up. With luck, I will know how it turns out within about a months time. I have high hopes that this will be the charm. I will document things as I go. If it works out I will show you what I did and how I did it. If it flops... maybe a stand is in order.  Tongue Tied

Dang! You are a good friend to sacrifice a built kit to the "plastic gods." Lol. Bow Down

 

 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, March 04, 2018 8:25 PM

Bakster
Dang! You are a good friend to sacrifice a built kit to the "plastic gods.

( Chances are , I was gonna "stomp" on it anyways ..... The "God's " won't  know the difference ......  Will they ???? )

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, March 04, 2018 8:29 PM

Bakster
Lastly--I will probably not post updates on the latest process and until the end. If it works out--I will post it. Otherwise, what's the point to document another boondoggle.

If you are not how are we to know it's Art Smile

Actually, seriously, the better/best articles here are those that share the anguish/trvails of having to get from that perfect image in our heads to the actual work on the bench before us.

Personally, I feel like I learn more from the postings of "well, I did [this]; but in the end I did not like it, and did [other thing] instead.

At a certain point we are all knobbos with hams for fists, gimlets for eyes, and all the intellectual prowess of a pack of intoxicated gibbons.  Thus, we are drawn, near compelled, to admire the hominid agomng us who listened to the great obelisk and used a bone to smash stuff Smile

I say "Perservere, Perservere young man--or we'll cut y'r grog ration!  Arrrh."

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Sunday, March 04, 2018 8:54 PM

Well crap.

I'm confused, was the seaview in the 'water' when this all happened? IOW, it is stuck?

-Greg

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 04, 2018 10:37 PM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster
Dang! You are a good friend to sacrifice a built kit to the "plastic gods.

 

( Chances are , I was gonna "stomp" on it anyways ..... The "God's " won't  know the difference ......  Will they ???? )

 

Big G God yes. Little g gods won't have a clue. Start with the little g. Not that they will do anything, but it is safer for you!

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 04, 2018 10:39 PM

Greg

Well crap.

I'm confused, was the seaview in the 'water' when this all happened? IOW, it is stuck?

 

Yup. Stuck in white glue and John Wayne TP. 

Beer

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 04, 2018 10:51 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Bakster
Lastly--I will probably not post updates on the latest process and until the end. If it works out--I will post it. Otherwise, what's the point to document another boondoggle.

 

If you are not how are we to know it's Art Smile

Actually, seriously, the better/best articles here are those that share the anguish/trvails of having to get from that perfect image in our heads to the actual work on the bench before us.

Personally, I feel like I learn more from the postings of "well, I did [this]; but in the end I did not like it, and did [other thing] instead.

 

Points taken Capn. Somehow, I knew you'd throw some good wisdom and logic at me.

CapnMac82
 

 

I say "Perservere, Perservere young man--or we'll cut y'r grog ration!  Arrrh."

 

Now that is just not fair. 

Crying

Give me some time, my friend. When have you ever known Bakster being able to keep himself from posting. It is near impossible. Thanks Capn. 

Zip it!

 

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, March 05, 2018 12:58 AM

I'm with the captn , we all need to learn from these experience's steve , Bang Head , we've all been there .

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, March 05, 2018 8:46 AM

Those are some good pictures of wake forms .

 Now I don't know about yours , But mine has Bow planes outlined in the streamlined outer edge of the bow .

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, March 05, 2018 9:13 AM

steve5

I'm with the captn , we all need to learn from these experience's steve , Bang Head , we've all been there .

 

Thanks Steve-O. I guess I can be the FSM resident lab rat for a bit longer. Lol.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, March 05, 2018 9:27 AM

Greg

Well crap.

I'm confused, was the seaview in the 'water' when this all happened? IOW, it is stuck?

 

Greg--just to be clear.  The Seaview is safe in dry dock. No harm has become her. The seascape has since been stripped of her waves. I have also ground down the plexi bow wave that I created. You should have seen me. I was covered in bow wave debree. My condo neigbors must have been wondering, what the H is he doing over there. It was quite loud. 

 

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  • From: Parsons Kansas
Posted by Hodakamax on Monday, March 05, 2018 10:23 AM

Great! I was picturing a Sawzall release. Whew! Actually one of my favorite 1/1 tools! Great noise too!

Max

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, March 05, 2018 1:03 PM

Hodakamax

Great! I was picturing a Sawzall release. Whew! Actually one of my favorite 1/1 tools! Great noise too!

Max

 

Lol. That would tear things up nicely!

Fortunately, I had the foresight not to mount the sub until the seascape is done, and I am happy with it. Been around long enough to know how these things can go.

I am still thinking about that octopus. You started something. Dang it.

 

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  • From: Parsons Kansas
Posted by Hodakamax on Monday, March 05, 2018 3:31 PM

Nothing worse than a giant squid in your radiator. It happend in most submarine shows I saw as a kid. You know, crew on deck clearing a giant squid or octopii with hook poles and small people being waved around in it's tentacles. Dark, heavy seas, lightning of course. Actually that's why I never go down in a submarine. I still dream of that! I do have some old strobes you could use on the diorama. Just trying to be helpful---Maxie

Hmm, I see people are chasing giant squid a few posts below. Check it out. Scale makes no difference, just get a big one.

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:47 PM

A few days ago Steve (Modelcrazy) gave me his permission to reference his latest build. As we wait to hear good news about Steve, I thought it would be fitting that I follow through on that. Most of you know Steve, but there may be some of you new folk that don't know of his work. Steve is very adept at building seascapes and of quality that I aspire to.

Many months ago I sent Steve a bunch of my rayon cotton to test. I reached out to Steve after my recent debacle and he told me that he didn't like the rayon cotton either. He felt it was too stringy. This is directly in line with my experience. I mention this as a just in case others are considering the synthetic route. I had another thought on this too. It occurred to me that maybe--I ordered the rayon cotton from a source other than what Chris Flodberg uses. Maybe--the difference is in who manufactured it. Just more food for thought.

Steve's build is Here

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/177338.aspx?sortorder=desc

Lastly, I am chomping at the bit in my next phase of testing. The new process uses a plaster type of filler found primarily in the Uk. The reference material says, or use something similar. Ordering from overseas does not ring my bell. So--I am trying a few things that are more commonly found in the US. In preliminary testing one of the products should work. There is another one that I still want to test. The latter of the two is touted as being strong, yet, lightweight. Unfortunately, I can't find it locally. So--I am waiting for it to arrive via carrier. Blah. Waiting--me no like. 

A side note. This process will in all likelihood use John Wayne Toilet Paper. Timmy should be happy to hear that. Indifferent

 

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:52 PM

PS: Can't seem to make that link work correctly. Guess you'll have to copy and paste. WTH.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:49 PM

I do not have my next process nailed down yet but I thought it might entertain you to watch as I work through it. What I ultimately end up doing is not written yet. The basic process is "expected" to be this: 

1. I will lay down a layer of putty that I can form into larger waves. This will include a bow wave. I was not able to do larger waves in my last go by using the John Wayne TP alone. That process limits you.

2. This process calls for a layer of TP on top of the first layer. From what I can tell it will do two things. Firstly, it should help to smooth out irregularities in the first layer. Secondly, it allows you to form smaller waves as well. If done properly, the two complement each other, and it can form a very convincing sea.

3. Apply the base color, the churn color, and then dry brush the foam color.

4. Apply the high gloss varnish.

Below: While I waited for the other putty to arrive, I experimented with the first. This product is called Durhams Water Putty. They claim it won't shrink, it dries hard, it's sandable, and you can even drill it. I had worked with this stuff before and I have always thought that it might offer some hobby potential. Such as with a dio.

I mixed a batch to a thick consistency and laid it on the glass pallet. Btw--the glass is what my picture frame base came with. I knew that I'd use it for something! I mixed it thick so that it would not self-level. Manipulating it around seemed to work OK I guess, but I was so-so about it. I struggled to make waves that I'd like. Maybe with practice. This was very preliminary.

Once when it appeared cured, I was able to lift it up off the glass. It popped off is more like it. This could be problematic since I will be using it on plexi. It seems the putty needs something porous to grab onto. I also tested its snap strength. The piece snapped in half far too easily. What started as what would probably be my go to putty is not so good now.

 

Below: The second product is called Sculptamold. They claim it is lightweight and strong. At first appearance the powder looks extremely fibrous and clumpy. I was like, "What is this (beep)." But--I had watched videos of people working with it ok. So, I pressed onward. I mixed it so it was thick and pliable. I plopped it on the glass and began working with it. "Well I'll be. This is working better than the Durhams." It formed deep waves much more readily. Once cured it seems very strong. And, it sticks to the glass like glue! If there is a downside, thus far, I'd say that it can a bit clumpy. I think that it should work ok once covered with the TP. Also--I know that this material can be smoothed out during the curing process. I did not attempt that yet. I fogot to mention that it IS light in comparison to the Durhams, or some other sort of plaster. 

I see a nice potential with this. As of now--it is the stuff that I will move forward with for further testing. 

So--this is a possible breakthrough to the next step. More to come as I travel along to the next boondoggle. I have to keep my hopes............ LOW.Bang Head

 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:02 PM

I have used "Sculpamold in the past, for rock and terrain formation's.... never thought to use it for water.

Ya learn sumptin new every day !

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:11 PM

littletimmy
never thought to use it for water.

Me neither. Surprise

 

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  • From: Parsons Kansas
Posted by Hodakamax on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:31 AM

I suppose the Giant Squid thing is out. At the restaurant the other night I thought of you. One of the calimary on the plate was complete and perfect scale. Maybe castable. You'll have to find your own as I ate that one. just an idea.  Geeked

Maxie

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  • From: Plano (Dallas), Texas
Posted by mmthrax on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:39 AM

Looks like good progress Bakster.  It's all progress.  May not feel like it, but it is.  Carry on sir.  You are doing a great job.  Yes

Just keep picking away at it...

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:43 AM

Hodakamax

I suppose the Giant Squid thing is out. At the restaurant the other night I thought of you. One of the calimary on the plate was complete and perfect scale. Maybe castable. You'll have to find your own as I ate that one. just an idea.  Geeked

Maxie

 

Max... I love your tenaciousness. You really want that giant squid don't you! Too funny.  This reminds me of the Parable of the Persistent Widow. Keep asking because you are breaking me down.

Yes 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:47 AM

mmthrax

Looks like good progress Bakster.  It's all progress.  May not feel like it, but it is.  Carry on sir.  You are doing a great job.  Yes

 

Hey thanks Mark. You know it. It doesn't feel like progress. One day at a time.

Thanks my friend!

 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 16, 2018 10:09 AM

BTW. What is a good modeling material to work with to form something like a Giant Squid? I need to get my ducks in line cuz Maxie is on a mission. Hehe.

Of course, the material needs to be maluable and then dries hard for glueing and paint. And ideas would be appreciated.

 

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, March 16, 2018 12:05 PM

I'm glad the Seaview is free, and happy to see you moving forward here, Steve.

-Greg

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  • From: Parsons Kansas
Posted by Hodakamax on Friday, March 16, 2018 2:21 PM

Bakster

BTW. What is a good modeling material to work with to form something like a Giant Squid? I need to get my ducks in line cuz Maxie is on a mission. Hehe.

Of course, the material needs to be maluable and then dries hard for glueing and paint. And ideas would be appreciated.

 

Hey, the Seaview is already wired and probably has excess reactor power. The Squid guy could be antimated with waving tentacles to go with the cool lighting of the sub and flashing strobes simulating lightning and stormy seas. Hmm, then the seas would have to move. OK, cancel that. Just another great idea but probably not practical. You did ask for ideas though.  Geeked  

Maxie

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 16, 2018 4:17 PM

Greg

I'm glad the Seaview is free, and happy to see you moving forward here, Steve.

 

Thanks Greg. Yeah I was joking ya when you asked about it the last time. I realized later that I had better clear that up or folks will think that I am starting over on the sub too!  What a nightmare that would be. In that case, I would have punted, and onto a new build. Glad I don't have to do that though. 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 16, 2018 4:23 PM

Hodakamax
Hey, the Seaview is already wired and probably has excess reactor power. The Squid guy could be antimated with waving tentacles to go with the cool lighting of the sub and flashing strobes simulating lightning and stormy seas. Hmm, then the seas would have to move. OK, cancel that. Just another great idea but probably not practical. You did ask for ideas though.     Maxie

LOL... You are killing me. It's not enough that I must sculpt a giant squid. Now... I must animate it too!  Sheesh. Tough crowd.

Angel

 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Friday, March 16, 2018 6:43 PM

Bakster
It's not enough that I must sculpt a giant squid. Now... I must animate it too!  Sheesh. Tough crowd.

Well.......

You"could" mount the sub in an aquarium, .... Then get an actual Squid,....

Would save yourself some time...... ( It's already "animated" ....... Just keep feeding it !)

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 16, 2018 6:59 PM

littletimmy

 

Well.......

You"could" mount the sub in an aquarium, .... Then get an actual Squid,....

Would save yourself some time...... ( It's already "animated" ....... Just keep feeding it !)

 

Now there is a novel idea. And I could scrap this whole seascape business because it is already in one. Hmmm. 

 

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