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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 8:33 AM

littletimmy
have used Woodland Scenic's water product's in the past, but never could get them to look right for anything other than a small creek.

Yep. That is my experience too. I used it for the area at the bow light in my last go of this. The stuff dries very clear. That is good the part. The bad part is that it is near impossible to build it up into any sort of larger wave. The stuff shrinks down as it dries. I had to do many multiple applications to get something that resembles a wave. I was disappointed in that. 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:12 AM

Bakster
Yes, that is the process that I am following. You found it.

At the risk of stating the obvious. I am following his process, but not exactly. As I already mentioned I am not using Polyfilla to build the first wave layer. I like to make things simpler for in the long run. I try to use products more readily available for my geographic location. In the short term, this is harder to deal with. This is the reason for all my testing and in trying to find a suitable substitute. My process will be what I make of it, and it should not be confused with the authors of the video. However, the basic process will be the same.

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 8:01 PM

Bakster
I had conjured up images of southern fried cockroaches. Cray sounds much better.

Well, the zoologists tell us lobstahs are more cloely related to cockroaches than to humans.

And, "Maine" lobsters are just (large) salt-water crayfish ("true" lobsters have no claws).

Oh, that jar of Zatatrain's Boil?  Instructions say that's enough for 35 gallons of water, not seven Smile  The 6 oz bottle of Boil is supposed to be used 2oz/gal.  And the flow-through packs are supposed to be good for 5 gallons each.  But, the instructions make a weak brew, suitable for librarians, from Iowa, or the like.  The proportions in that video are quite nice.  Pleasant, really.  Almost mild for the true Cajuns (Acadiennes).

It's Spring in Texas--so one needs the heat on in the morning, and the a/c in the afternoon.  Such are the times when the wildflowers bloom, and the crawfish farms go to harverst, so, nostalgia reigns supreme.  Of having a boil with three 33# bags of live 'bugs (to solve the crawdad/crayfish/crawfish dillema, notre amies acadiennes refer to them a "mudbugs").

Now, onward to deep blue seas, submarines, and thoughts of squid as yet unfried . . .

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:58 PM

You are always a wealth of knowledge Capn. Thanks for sharing all that. Very interesting!

You lucky dog. We are still in the 30s here and even 20s at night. Possible snow on the weekend. Shoot me. Someone... please. Not you Timmy. You'd enjoy it too much. Hehe.

Thanks again Capn. Maybe someday I will get to try a bug boil. If I live through the weekend. 

Boo Hoo

 

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:55 AM

CapnMac82
And, "Maine" lobsters are just (large) salt-water crayfish ("true" lobsters have no claws).

in aust captmac82 , we have a salt water cray [no claws ] called a morton bay bug , way better than the big cray's Eats

 

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, March 24, 2018 5:38 PM

Because I said that I would, I am. Here is an image of the Sculptamold smoothed over. I did it very crudely and I did not spend a lot of time with it. Personally, I don't care for it with this project. But for what it is worth, there it is.

 

Regarding the TP. I DID try a thicker type of TP and yes, it improved things some. However, I found that it lacked in other ways. I still prefer the John Wayne type.

Here is the funny thing. I may opt out of using paper altogether. Using the Sculptamold alone I have figured a way to create decent looking waves. In all my testing using paper--the process creates artifacts that I don't like. I can see them in the video as well. They are not a big deal, but--if I can eliminate a step--I will. This is yet to be determined, but I am working towards that end.

Below: I worked on the base today. I had to grind out a bunch of plexi so that I can raise the bow. I purchased a second sub many months back and I used the hull for fitting purposes. 

This is how it will sit, roughly. I plan to add a list to it too.

I am starting to get some traction on this re-do. It is still putsy because of the curing times involved--but the plan is starting to take shape. 

Thats all.

Later.

 

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:12 PM

Not that Oz needs anymore imports, but, I've often wondered  how the North American Cray would do on the rivers, what with the salties and all.

They can breathe air and whole up in a mud burrow for upwards of 9 months; they only really need water to breed.

In the wild, they get to 6-10cm; raised on a farm (rice/shrimp/catfish rotation farms are ideal) they can get to 20-22cm (and them's good eatin')

Given how well hares and can toads have worked out, they'd probably be 30-40cm and would eat sheep

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:32 PM

Steve, that Sculptamold smoothed over that you don't like looks pretty good from here.

And I'm not going to come up and shoot you because the weather is just as bad here so why should you have all the fun. Storm <<< and that ain't rain.

-Greg

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:33 PM

Bakster
. I had to grind out a bunch of plexi so that I can raise the bow.

With that big flared "manta" bow, that's how she probably ought to float anyways.  (Which would keep the propulsion units "wet" too.)

Oceans are peculiar creatures.  It's easy to forget that, for every raised-up bit, there's a lowered bit.  That wind undulates the surface in both positive and negative sine waves.

I think, as modelers, we tend to put down a material, then raise it up for waves, and forget to "lower down" bits to balance those.  Which focuses more attention to the medium, rather than the method.  We already own numerous ways to create a glassy, glossy, surface--we just need "something" to put that finish upon.

It can be quite frustrating.

But, I may be over-maudlin, as my brother-in-law just lost his battle with melanoma.  So, my week before my vacation has gone seriously awry.

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:46 PM

CapnMac82
But, I may be over-maudlin, as my brother-in-law just lost his battle with melanoma.  So, my week before my vacation has gone seriously awry.

Oh no. I am so sorry to hear this. 

 

 

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:42 PM

CapnMac82
Not that Oz needs anymore imports, but, I've often wondered  how the North American Cray would do on the rivers, what with the salties and all.

probably pretty goog captmac82 , we already have yabbies , maron , red claw , all can grow to 30-40 cm easy . all good eating too mate , I am also sorry to hear of your loss , 

steve5

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:26 PM

Greg

Steve, that Sculptamold smoothed over that you don't like looks pretty good from here.

And I'm not going to come up and shoot you because the weather is just as bad here so why should you have all the fun. Storm <<< and that ain't rain.

 

Thanks Greg. I guess that I live to see another day. Or at least long enough to finish this WIP. 

Smile

 

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  • From: Parsons Kansas
Posted by Hodakamax on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:09 PM

Waiting with baited breath. Squid actually. These things are really good with ice cold Coronas. (With lime) I actually ate several good specimins that would have worked great. Gone now.----Just checking on you. Quiet your way.

Maxie

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:07 PM

Hodakamax

Waiting with baited breath. Squid actually. These things are really good with ice cold Coronas. (With lime) I actually ate several good specimins that would have worked great. Gone now.----Just checking on you. Quiet your way.

Maxie

 

Lol. Hey Maxie... You may want to treat yourself at a restaurant cuz my squid won't taste very good. And, it may be quiet, but I am busy busy busy. This testing stuff is a real time suck. A couple of things I can note.

1. I made the bold step of slapping putty (Sculptamold) onto the base. Too early to tell if I like it or not. Either way... it is there to stay. No do-overs.

2. I have ordered, and I am waiting on, epoxy putty. I will try making the squid using that.

3. I am experimenting with paints and such. I tried using the clear blue over blue again, and man, it sure adds depth. I love the look. Gonna try to make that work again.

I may post a few images this weekend. There is still not much to see but .... something is better than nothing.

 

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:59 PM

As I mentioned in my last post, I am still testing. 

Below: In this test the layers are Sculptamold, blue paint, and then two layers of Tamiya clear blue. The back portion does not have the clear applied to it. The latter is for other testing.

I do like how the clear blue makes things pop. On another piece (not shown), I have tried applying clear varnish in place of the clear blue. The difference in how it looks is pretty stark. The clear blue gives a much richer, almost 3d appearance. The clear varnish is shiny, but it seems to mute the underlying color layer. It looks more opaque and uninteresting. 

I have a few more things that I will try in order to tweak it more. But, worst case, it will do.

Below: Here is how my sculpting looks. The nice thing about this method is that I can tweak things later and after it has dried. Areas that I don't like, I can add more clay and reshape. I can even grind portions away and re-do them.

My first layer in all of this had been the bow waves. I made those first, let them harden a day, and then I built the rest around them. It was a mental focusing thing for me. I have to do it in stages. The next step with this will probably be to mount the sub. And then, build the remaining waves surrounding the sub. So--I have more work to do on this.

The one thing that I want to research yet is this. I'd like to find something that I could brush over the clay in order to smooth it out some. After applying the painting layers you don't see the texture on the surface so much, but, you do see it through the clear in how the light reflects off of it. If I can get rid of that, I'd be 100% satisfied. A little more testing--a little more delay.

Not to mention... I have to build Maxie's squid. E-gads. I jest! I jest! 

Oh--one other grisly factoid for you. I will probably have to do a little cotton work. Yes--the very business that sent me into the dark dungeon of rework and testing. This time--I will try all natural cotton. And--test test test.

The path though this is filled with pitfalls. With slow methodical testing--I may make my way through it alive. 

Dunce

 

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  • From: Parsons Kansas
Posted by Hodakamax on Friday, March 30, 2018 9:15 AM

Meanwhile, after eating all these squid and trying to figure how to mold one, (Hey, it's just a thought experiment), It occurred to me that maybe the attacker could something non-mollusk with a hard exoskelton. A giant crawdad could be equally frightning I would think. The advantage here is the shell parts with their detail could be postioned and filled rather than casting the monster. Nothing more frightning than a large scale crawdad with some person in the pinchers. Thoughts for the day--------Maxie

Hey the wave experiment with the bow waves is looking cool!

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, March 30, 2018 11:24 AM

Hodakamax

Meanwhile, after eating all these squid and trying to figure how to mold one, (Hey, it's just a thought experiment), It occurred to me that maybe the attacker could something non-mollusk with a hard exoskelton. A giant crawdad could be equally frightning I would think. The advantage here is the shell parts with their detail could be postioned and filled rather than casting the monster. Nothing more frightning than a large scale crawdad with some person in the pinchers. Thoughts for the day--------Maxie

Hey the wave experiment with the bow waves is looking cool!

 

Say Maxie... thanks for the thoughts. I think that I will stay with the squid. I won't be filling or casting anything. The epoxy that I ordered is like a clay that dries over time. I will form the menacing creature by free hand. It should not be too difficult. I might start experimenting with it this weekend. 

 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, April 01, 2018 12:24 AM

Bakster
The epoxy that I ordered is like a clay that dries over time. I will form the menacing creature by free hand. It should not be too difficult. I might start experimenting with it this weekend. 

Have you tried "Play - Doh" ? Believe it or not, it can be used for some of our application's. It's easy to sculpt and can be painted after it set's. But you have to "seal" it first with Glosscote. Otherwise the "Play - Doh" will just "suck up" the paint. 

( Plus.... if you get the "Fun Factory" set you can have ... well ... FUN ! )

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 01, 2018 9:07 AM

littletimmy

 

 
Bakster
The epoxy that I ordered is like a clay that dries over time. I will form the menacing creature by free hand. It should not be too difficult. I might start experimenting with it this weekend. 

 

Have you tried "Play - Doh" ? Believe it or not, it can be used for some of our application's. It's easy to sculpt and can be painted after it set's. But you have to "seal" it first with Glosscote. Otherwise the "Play - Doh" will just "suck up" the paint. 

( Plus.... if you get the "Fun Factory" set you can have ... well ... FUN ! )

 

Dude! Where were you when I needed you? Play Doh? It never even came across my radar. That doesn't sound like a bad idea though. Unfortunately, I ordered something more expensive. So far this stuff is working pretty good. You can even sand it once set and I will need to. I will post more on this when I get there.

Good to have you back Timmy. 

Yes

 

 

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Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, April 01, 2018 4:34 PM

Bakster
Dude! Where were you when I needed you?

The "Internet God's"  sent me across the river Styx, and it took me 7 day's to "Fight " my way back !

( If you ever find yourself in a similar situation..... DONT drink the water ! )

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 01, 2018 4:44 PM

littletimmy

( If you ever find yourself in a similar situation..... DONT drink the water ! )

 

Okay... noted.  Btw... 7 days? This seems even stranger. 7 is often used in the Bible. Not only were you in the wilderness for 7 days... but you were resurrected on the 7th day. You sir have been on a journey. Smile

 

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Posted by Hodakamax on Sunday, April 01, 2018 7:58 PM

Hmm, somewhere around here I've got some glass duck decoy eyes that would be really good for a creepy giant squid. They come in millimeter sizes and colors. Be patient or Google this. I'll keep looking.

Maxie

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Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, April 01, 2018 9:05 PM

Bakster
Not only were you in the wilderness for 7 days... but you were resurrected on the 7th day. You sir have been on a journey. 

My "Entire Life" has been this way !!!

I did "Battle" with my computer for all but the last 20 minute's of that.... ( My wife "FINALLY" took pity on me and did her magic on the keyboard..... and then I was back ! )

Do you think she would "TELL" me what she did ????    NO !!!

As far as the Bible  ( or anything religious ) is concerned ..... I cant go near that stuff... 

( I would "BURST" into flame's !)

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 01, 2018 10:15 PM

Hodakamax

Hmm, somewhere around here I've got some glass duck decoy eyes that would be really good for a creepy giant squid. They come in millimeter sizes and colors. Be patient or Google this. I'll keep looking.

Maxie

 

I suppose you will want me to put lights behind those eyes too! Lol.

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 01, 2018 10:21 PM

littletimmy

 ( My wife "FINALLY" took pity on me and did her magic on the keyboard..... and then I was back ! )

Lol. Your wife sounds like a pretty good person to have around. 

 

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Posted by docidle on Monday, April 02, 2018 10:23 PM

Steve,

Just want to pop in and see how it is going. She’s looking really nice I must say. 

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, April 03, 2018 7:42 PM

docidle

Steve,

Just want to pop in and see how it is going. She’s looking really nice I must say. 

Steve

 

Thank you Steve. It is good to see you on the forum!

 

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 08, 2018 3:31 PM

My ocean water testing is done. I tried many things, including trying to make the water a little green. I couldn't get a convincing look to it though. In the end, I abandoned that idea. 

Like with what GMorrison once told me, your first instinct is usually the right one. I ended back where I started. That is-- a blue base color with a clear blue over it. I am tweaking things a little though.

You may recall in my last update that I wanted to find something that will smooth out the surface of the Sculptamold. Well, I found something.

Below: I decided to give Liquitix Gel a try. This is neat stuff. Artists often use this gel for adding body to their paint. Straight out of the container it is white in color. You mix in the color (acrylic), and you are good to go. It does not take much paint to give you a solid color to it. It blends like a dream, and the consistency is something like Miracle Whip. It is fun to work with. If you don't add color to it, it seems to dry somewhat clear. 

A few things to note:

1. For my purposes... the Gel does not have to be colored. However, I will add color to show coverage as I apply it. White on white is tough to see. 

2. I add a little water to it. The Gel is designed to show brush marks. Apparently, painters want that; I don't. Here again--a little goes a long way. You don't need to add much water for the gel to loosen. 

3. I tried varying the number of coats to see how it changed the look of things. I prefer just 1 coat. I did not see any advantage to add more. In fact-- I tend to think that is takes away from it.

4. I may use this stuff to create micro waves. It holds its shape very well. So for areas where I want to create ripples--this might fit the bill. 

Below: Here are just a few of the tests that I ran. (All of them had been pre-coated with gel.)

Far left: Phyto Green/blue, with two coats of Tamiya clear blue on top.

Middle: A darker blue base with two coats of Tamiya clear blue on top.

Top right: Tamiya flat blue base, with two coats of Tamiya clear blue on top.

Bottom right: Tamiya flat blue base, followed by dry brushing the wavetops in white. This was followed by two coats of Tamiya blue. I thought it might add more depth by adding a dry brush layer. I think that it kind of does. I am on the fence about going with top right or bottom right. What do you guys think?

Below: The sub is secured to the base. You will notice that there is a list to the right. Our friend (Maxie) the squid will be hitching a ride so ... he/she is a bit much for this boat. This will be very unsettling to the crew of the Seaview. It will be Maxies fault.

 

Next up? It is time to breath life into Maxie.

That's it for today. 

 

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:39 PM

Hey !

That ain't a subarmaryne is it ? dat looks lyke sum poor byke frame

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:44 PM

Hey ;

Did someone mention a Bug - Boil ? Hmmm; Kin I bring my own plate ? It's grandma's small serving platter .That will hold a few I tink . 

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