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Glencoe USS Oregon
Posted by wjbwjb29 on Monday, November 06, 2017 12:22 PM

Hello;

Anyone know what size chain would be appropriate for Oregon.

 

Bill

On the Bench:   Trumperter Tsesarevich on deck Glencoe USS Oregon

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 9:00 AM

I don't know if this is the right size, but it does look good. I built this because my brother was on the BB58 Indiana in WW2. This Indiana was BB1, our first Battleship.My brothe had 7 battle stars & the ship had about 12.

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 1:38 PM

just beautiful gene , 

steve

 

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Posted by wjbwjb29 on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:24 PM

Beatiful work, do you remember how many links per inch on the chain.

On the Bench:   Trumperter Tsesarevich on deck Glencoe USS Oregon

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:50 PM

WAG about 16 per inch.

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Posted by Nino on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 3:17 PM

Gene,

   That model is fantastic. A super-clean build.  The details really Pop. The Photography is also top-notch since you know the right way to get it done.  I'm copying your Pictures for when I do the sister-ship, USS Oregon.

Bill, (wjbwjb29)
     I have Revells’  Oregon kit in my attic.  I think I put good chain with the kit. It will be awhile before I can take a look though.  I’ll do measurements if no one else responds with suggestions.  I would not depend on some manufactures claim that their chain is 1/200 or whatever. 
     I think you can get a good perspective of Anchor Chain from the picture below.  It’s Genes Battleship kit Prototype, BB-1.
 
     Nino
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Posted by wjbwjb29 on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 6:26 PM

OK thanks I would appreciate that. I know the chain was massive and 16 links per inch seems a little small but I could be wrong.

 

Bill

On the Bench:   Trumperter Tsesarevich on deck Glencoe USS Oregon

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 6:35 PM

wbj,  I'm sorry, I don't know the chain size, but Morrison is probably right. He generaly is. I just look for what looks right. 

  Nino, get the Gold Metal PE for the 2 ships, Oregon &Farraguts Cruiser I think. Name really escape me. Big part of being old. I always wanted to build the Indiana for my brother, but it was late coming out.  I always asked him about colors on planes & ships. He flew off the Indiana in a Kingfisher. 

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 6:39 PM

 Nino, I forgot to tell you what a neat picture of the Indiana that is. It even has it's oars out. Thanks. He was the first Battleship back after the war as they had 1000 POW's with them. He had been at the surrender with the MO.

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Posted by Nino on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 9:36 PM

    Yes, Gene, It is a good shot of the Indiana in drydock.  I had the picture copied on one of my PC's but it took me a while to remember where I got it from so I could post that link.

    I did a LOL on the oar comment. Thanks.

   I've also got Encores' Upgrade kit of the Revell 1/232 Olympia, Commadore Deweys Flagship. It has anchor chain in the kit. They seem to be small "links". The Olympia and Indiana were about the same length but BB-1 was twice the displacement so anchor chain probably not comparable even though the 2 kits are close in scale.

     I never new much of BB-58's WWII activity other than the collision with the USS Washington. I am still reading through Morrison’s 15 Vol History of United States Naval Operations in WWII. I'll pay particular attention to any mention of BB-58, USS Indiana.

       Nino   

P.S.  That picture seems to show 16 Links from the Hawse hole to the anchor shackle.                                                                                                           Maybe an estimate can be made based on the kit scale parts or perhaps interpolate the link length based on the visible crewmen in the picture. Sound like fun?

ie: If the kits hull with anchor in place shows 1inch from Hawse hole to shakle on the anchor stock and if estimate is 16 links per the picture, then there's 16 links per inch.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:22 AM

Hi ;

 On ships that size I use 16 links per inch .

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Posted by Robthebuilder on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 3:06 PM
May I ask what size chain that is and where it was gotten from ?
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Posted by Robthebuilder on Tuesday, November 20, 2018 3:11 PM
I ordered some 16 links per inch chain and it just doesn't look big enough . Found a supplier in Australia that is awesome to work with . Modelers Central I believe . I am looking for other choices for accuracy . Thanks every body for input , you are great out there .
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Posted by Nino on Thursday, November 22, 2018 10:47 PM

Rob,

There is anothjer discussion on Anchor Chain here:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/115671.aspx

 

Looks like 3D printing (Shapeways) might be an alternative.

     Nino

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Posted by Robthebuilder on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:42 PM
veery nice . Hope mine looks that good
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Posted by Robthebuilder on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:45 PM
I had bought some 1/200 chains and they really are too small . Did some research and counted links then converted to about 61/2 - 8 links per inch . About 3/16 inch to 1/4 inch link size . Just need to find supplier . Did find 1 but they were out of stock..(sadness).
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Posted by Robthebuilder on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:46 PM
Thank you , I just found out about the nice folks at Shapeways .
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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:16 PM

gene1

...He flew off the Indiana in a Swordfish.

Wow!  What's the story behind that?

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by rcboater on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:09 PM

the Baron
gene1

...He flew off the Indiana in a Swordfish.

Wow!  What's the story behind that?

 

I’ll bet he meant “Kingfisher“ not “Swordfish”.     The Kingfisher was the standard WW2 catapult floatplane carrier by USN Cruisers and Battleships.  

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:03 PM

rcboater
 
the Baron
gene1

...He flew off the Indiana in a Swordfish.

Wow!  What's the story behind that?

 

I’ll bet he meant “Kingfisher“ not “Swordfish”.     The Kingfisher was the standard WW2 catapult floatplane carrier by USN Cruisers and Battleships.

Possibly, or maybe he meant the Curtiss Seagull.  But that's why I asked.  I'm curious to hear back from Gene.

 

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, November 30, 2018 1:38 PM

  I did mean a Kingfisher. Things do get screwed up when you are old. I was n the Dulles Air Museum about 10 years ago & they had a Kingfisher hanging over the Enola Gay & I went up to look at it & it was from the Indiana. What a thrill to see the plane my brother actually flew in during WW2. I heard that they had 3 on the ship & he flew a lot so it was probably his plane. 

    I built 2 Monogram Kingfishers , one for him & one for me. I have around 200 fighters from WW1 thru now. I built Glenn Eaglestons P51B&D & his P47 as he was my CO after WW2.  He & Ralph Parr were both in our sqaudron

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, November 30, 2018 3:40 PM

Gene;

 Hey I liked that you said " Swordfish '! Here's a thought,I read your post to my Grandson.He asked me a very interesting group of questions.So I am going to share with you and everyone else.

First; Did he catch the swordfishy hisself? 

Second; How did he get wings to stick on it?

Third , How did he keep that swordfishy from stabbin him?

 I thought we needed some light banter once in a while .   T.B.

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Posted by retdfeuerwehr on Saturday, December 01, 2018 10:47 PM
Just a bit of info about anchor chains: one may look at the sizes of the anchors used on many ocean-going vessels and wonder how such a small anchor can hold such a large ship....well, it's actually the anchor chain that holds the vessel in place - the anchor will (hopefully) grab onto something below, but it's most often the scope (length) of chain (usually, 7 to 8 times the depth of anchorage) out that keeps the ship in place. With regards to OREGON: looking in "Battleship OREGON" by Bert Webber I have a nice bow-on photo of OREGON with the stbd anchor chain payed out. I see it's stud-linked, and the diameter of the links looks to be in the neighborhood of 8' - 10" --- pretty hefty chain. The stud-links keep the chain from foul ing down in the chain locker. If you'd like me to email you the photo I spoke of, let me know.

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