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USS Constitution build II - 35 years later

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Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, January 11, 2021 11:25 PM

I didn't mean to lose you Jim! Glad the photos helped. Big Smile Just trying to follow the BlueJacket plans and my 3 other resources to get this looking as close to 1812 as I can. Since this is my first foray back into ship building in many years, even I have trouble sometimes with the terminology being used. I constantly have to look things up or type them into the Google search bar. I try to research each section I am about to do if I have ANY questions, since I HATE doing things twice. Bang Head

Thanks for the compliments.  It keeps me going.

Bob

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Posted by Nino on Monday, January 11, 2021 4:33 PM

    Bob, I'm still out here, reading along and following your definitive Constitution build to the best of my ability.

    You stretched my comprehension ability with your last "...While waiting for the correct size 3 sheave blocks to arrive to the foremast shrouds, I decided to strop the deadeyes and attach them to the fighting top.  To hold them in place, futtock shrouds are used, which attach to the deadeye strop with a hook and to a ring below the fighting top.  A Bentinck shroud then courses behind the mast to a pair of bullseyes on the opposite side of the deck and are tensioned with a lanyard."

   Thank you for adding Photos with arrows...(lol).

Yo, Great work.  Yours is another great Thread that I love to re-read and take notes.

      Jim.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:19 PM

Thanks Night-Fighter

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Posted by Night Fighter on Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:04 PM

A beautiful work of art.  I love it.  :)

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Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, January 4, 2021 7:50 PM

After getting all the shrouds and Burton pendants onto the foremast, I added the fore stay and the fore preventer stay.  Each had to have a collar and mouse added, and then served.  They both attach to unique "open" hearts on the bowsprit which had to be scratch built and painted.  Each was tensioned with a lanyard.

While waiting for the correct size 3 sheave blocks to arrive to the foremast shrouds, I decided to strop the deadeyes and attach them to the fighting top.  To hold them in place, futtock shrouds are used, which attach to the deadeye strop with a hook and to a ring below the fighting top.  A Bentinck shroud then courses behind the mast to a pair of bullseyes on the opposite side of the deck and are tensioned with a lanyard.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 5:27 PM

Moved from the bowsprit to the foremast. Accidentally broke one of the 40g wires to the foremast lamp. It was a chore, but I was able to pull out the broken wire and splice a new one on. Can't really strip the insulation on that stuff - just have to gently scrape or sand it off.  All fixed, light is working, and stepped the mast using just a bit of the slow-set superglue on the bottom. Mast is pretty tight, but shrouds will hold it in place. 

All shrouds were individually tied, seized, and wrapped around the mast in pairs, working back and forth.  Mast is dead straight and has the necessary 1/2" of rake.  I tried to make sure to keep the deadeyes holes in line with the shroud. 

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Have a Merry Christmas everyone!

Hope all your stockings are stuffed with modeling things.

Bob

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, December 11, 2020 12:13 PM

Bill,

You were correct and I was in error.  The foremast stay and preventer stay are rigged to the center of the bowsprit via huge open hearts.  Topmast stay & preventer go through the bees.  All four of these will try to pull up on the bowsprit.  But with the gammoning and bobstays all rigged very tight, I am not worried about the bowsprit bending, since it is a solid piece of wood. 

More worried about the topgallant and royal stays pulling on the jibboom and flying jib.  That is where most folks run into trouble, especially with the very flimsy plastic, which really has a tendency to bend either the skypole or the flying jib.  I remember playing that game some 35 years ago when I first built her.  Had to go back and tighten up the martingales so I could get everything to look OK.  But even then, they had a tendency to sag in the summer.

Bob

Rigging.  An excuse to drink scotch.  (I am paraphrasing off of your tag)

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, December 11, 2020 10:27 AM

Yes, topmast stay.

 

 

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, December 11, 2020 12:31 AM

Thanks Bill. 

I am trying to remember to wax my lines.  Got the block of beeswax sitting on the bench, but I am pretty sure I missed one or two.

Not sure what you mean about the forestay.  Forestay and fore preventer stay are rigged into huge bullseye on the forward rail.  Did you mean that they get in the way of the main spar?  Or were you referring to the topmast stay (and topgallant stay) which do attach to the bowsprit and jibboom and could pull it up?  Principle reason I went with wood masts and spars all around.  Much less prone to bending (the flimsy plastic from Revell just doesn't cut it).

As for the studding sails, all I really wanted to know is whether they were left in the outboard position, even if there were no studding sails attached.  I read somewhere that they were left in the outboard position once under sail, and not hauled back in or out everytime they wanted to change.  Will check with my master crew next Wednesday.  I am a member of the Midwest Model Shipwrights club, and the head of the NRG is also a member.  Lots of experienced builders there, so hopefully I can get an answer.  No rush, since I have a LOT of rigging to go before throwing yards up.

Bob

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, December 11, 2020 12:20 AM

Nice work Bob.

be sure to wax your lines and plan for the big bugaboo on the forward spar, which is the fore stay will bend it upwards.

Good clean work.

I tried to answer your question about studding sails, i.e. I don't know.

 

Bill

 

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, December 11, 2020 12:16 AM

Sorry in advance for the long post.

Rigging has begun.  Started with the bobstays, bowsprit shrouds and martingales.  Finished up with most of the jibboom and flying jibboom guys.

Some intricate rigging in there, and I am inventing new ways (new to me, anyway) to try and do this all properly.  Seizing every bullseye and/or block.  Easy on the bench, a bit more tricky if the line is already on the ship.  Those that have to pass through thimbles or the dolphin strikers can't be "pre-rigged" at both ends.  Also hand looping between all the bullseyes with smaller rope so it looks authentic.  Bowsprit area is complete (for now).

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That's it for now.   Bob

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:33 PM

Just remember that on the rigging I am NOT using the Revell plans.  I have 4 other references I am using to come up with what was as close to 1812 as I can estimate.  Every Captain had his own ideas about the running rigging, and many things have changed over the past 220 years.  You really can't go by what she looks like today or the most copied version from the 1927 restoration.  It has proved to be a little more difficult than just following along with Revell's simplified version of rigging.

And I am being totally anal about using the correct size wooden block and diameter of rope.  I have about a dozen sizes for standing rigging and another dozen for the running rigging.  I pulled from a few manufacturers to fill in odd sizes and to make it look like ropes had been replaced over time (slightly different tints of tan).

But, hey, if it helps anyone, then that is fantastic.  I just thought it would be cool to see her go from a hull to a finished fighting ship in a matter of minutes.

Bob

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Posted by Shipwreck on Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:01 AM

Luvspinball

So my father-in-law had an interesting idea.  He said I should time-lapse the rigging.

So I set up a white sheet behind the bench, and at the end of every night that I actually work on the ship, I place the boat in the same spot and snap a few pictures.  When I finally finish it, I will have a cool montage of the stepping of masts, hoisting of yardarms, bending of the sails, and completion of the ship.

 

 

 

That is a great idea, Bob. It will certainly help us that are struggling with the rigging!

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Posted by Luvspinball on Sunday, December 6, 2020 11:10 PM

So my father-in-law had an interesting idea.  He said I should time-lapse the rigging.

So I set up a white sheet behind the bench, and at the end of every night that I actually work on the ship, I place the boat in the same spot and snap a few pictures.  When I finally finish it, I will have a cool montage of the stepping of masts, hoisting of yardarms, bending of the sails, and completion of the ship.

As of now, I only have 3 photos, so nothing to show yet.  I think it will look cool.  Our University did a similar thing by taking one photo every day at the same time to document the construction of our new research building.  Kind of cool to see an entire building go up in about 5 minutes.  Hopefully this will look equally as cool.

In the mean time, I will continue posting photos of the details of the daily work to document the intricacies of the build, and any other tidbits I may stumble upon as I go.  Today I had to scratch build a roller for the jibboom for the jibstay.  Took a couple tries, but I got something I was fairly proud of that actually works!

Pics to follow.

Bob

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Sunday, November 29, 2020 12:00 AM

Got the bowsprit pre-rigged and installed.  Added the gammoning.  Solid as a rock - that bowsprit is in there great (until I snap it off by doing something stupid !).

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Hope you all had a happy, and probably quiet, Thanksgiving.

Let the model buying for Christmas commence!

Bob

 

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Posted by Rick Sr on Saturday, November 14, 2020 8:05 AM

My grand daughter was showing my Connie to one of her friends and dropped it. Her friend stumbled trying to catch it before it hit the floor and stepped on it. The hull was broken.

I am starting the third Connie I had, salvaging the guns and carriages from the crushed hull. 

I learned how to load pics into a file on the pc (not being a pc person) and know how to e-mail them. In order to send them to FSM, exactly what address do I use and how do I get them into my build section?

Thanks for any tips you can give me. This one I will pic in FSM once I figure that out.

PS, this caused the shedding of many tears, and a delay while recuperating from the wreckage!

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:10 PM

Jose,

Glad I could help out.

Bob

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Posted by Jose Gonzales on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:53 PM

Clever solution, Bob! I wish I had done this on my second build, but will certainly use it on my current one!

Jose

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 9:11 PM

Working on finishing the yards for the fore mast.  All yards have been turned and wooden parts added (cleats, battens, etc.) and then painted black.

Working on the studding sail booms for the lower 3 yards.  Turning the booms is as easy as it gets - cut to the right length and then sand to the correct taper.  I found a tutorial online that showed how to create the boom irons.  They said to drill a small hole in a brass tubing of the correct diameter for the boom.  Easy enough. 

Then it said to place a wire in the hole and solder, then bend as needed.  Not so easy.  Difficult to keep the wire perpendicular to the tubing AND not have it stick too far into the tubing so you can't file it down.  So I modified the procedure a bit, using some jewelry pins.  These are fine wires with a flat head about 1/16" diameter.  Quite small.  So I filed opposite sides down to the wire to make it a "T".  I passed the wire through the inside of the tubing and secured it with a small dab of CA, making sure it was perpendicular to the tubing.  THEN I soldered it to the brass tubing.

Hope that tip is useful to others down the road.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, November 1, 2020 12:48 AM

Nino
My excuse for missing your recent updates was an Ian Toll book, Six Frigates.  Wow, what a great book on the early history of our Country.  The Constitution figured prominently in it so, I'm back!

That is a good book. It will make you dislike Thomas Jefferson and appreciate John Adams: if you believe that a navy is necessary.

 

 

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Saturday, October 31, 2020 9:05 PM

Thanks, TB.  I was a little leery, but they turned out OK.  Most people might not even notice them, but I know they are there.

Bob

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, October 30, 2020 3:32 PM

Geez!

 This is turning into a work of ART !  Awesome my Friend!

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, October 30, 2020 3:23 PM

I haven't read that.  Now I will have to.  I wonder if they have it in a "books on tape" or whatever they call it now so I can listen to it while I build?  Podcasts are fine, but there aren't any dedicated to shipbuilding.  I would be all over that!

GM are you listening?  You could do this and become REALLY famous!

Bob

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Posted by Nino on Friday, October 30, 2020 3:17 PM

Nice Lions head!.

  I have been absent from your Constitution Thread for a bit.  My expectation is to re-read it all and copy those great tips that have worked so well for you.

 My excuse for missing your recent updates was an Ian Toll book, Six Frigates.  Wow, what a great book on the early history of our Country.  The Constitution figured prominently in it so, I'm back!

  Great work Bob.

       Jim.

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, October 30, 2020 12:13 AM

I decided to try a little carving for the catheads.

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Now to recreate it for the other side.  Luckily, it's darn near impossible to see them both at the same time, so I only have to get it close!  Also  dumped the cheap plastic (bendy) boomkins and scratch built new ones out of wood.  Much sturdier.

Bob

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Posted by Luvspinball on Sunday, October 18, 2020 11:03 PM

Spent most of the summer creating websites for work, recording lectures, etc.  Finally have some free time and able to get back into the shop.  

THE HULL IS COMPLETE !

Only things left are the crew and hammock rails, which will be added AFTER the rigging is mostly complete (otherwise I will keep busting things up/off).

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ON TO THE MASTS and FIXED RIGGING

Bob

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:45 PM

Yes,  more info good.   Always keep searching. 

    If I had not continued research on the USS Monitor I would never have known that the top deck had multiple perforations overtop of 40 railroad type rails or had any idea where the 3 small viewing ports in the turret were located, or that there were holes in the gun port armored covers ("Stoppers") so that the long handle of the rammer and sponges could be used.

Yes.  Keep the info coming.  Someday some AMERICAN manufacturer might take all these accumulated facts and make a kit that Is A Replica.

 

   Love what you are doing.   You should make this a traveling display.  Lend it to local Libraries, Lions clubs, VFW's, etc.  It would certianly help to get the interest going to build model ships.

 

 

The Constitution...(Paper and Plastic.)

That may be the most important phrase on the planet.

 

     Jim.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, July 1, 2020 8:34 AM
Do not worry Bob, you cannot provide too much information. Keep posting, please!!

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8

Monogram M48A2 Patton Tank

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep & Reasearch

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:44 PM

Thanks, Steve.

I can't really tell if I am giving too much info or not.  Or taking too many pictures.  But I will keep posting as long as I am still building.  I will try not to bore anyone by reposting similar builds, such as the masts and yards.  Not a whole lot of differences there in terms of useful build info.  But I will definitely get back into posting once the rigging starts.  And I am sure I will have plenty of questions once it does!  Nice to know that folks are still watching, as this is going on two years now.

Bob

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