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USS Constitution build II - 35 years later

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:49 PM

Nino

Geez Bob, where's the inkwell on the Commadores desk?

 

  Holy Smokes that is some detail.

Can you make the deck over the cabin removable? That is too good to hide

I love it. I could never do it, but I love this model ship. 

  THANKS BOB!

          Jim

 

I absolutely agree with Jim, this is one heck of a build Bob! 

I’ve added this thread to my favorites so that I can refer to it when I build the 1/96 United States that was given to me for free. Please the pictures and dialogue coming.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Rick Sr on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 5:49 PM

You did an awesome job. That build is a classic!!!

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 5:27 PM

Rick,

Yes, I wanted to be able to see my work on the gun deck, so I cut three large "holes" in the spar deck that can be removed to show the workings below.  Plus I lit it all up with LEDs.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

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Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by Rick Sr on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:10 AM

I've been looking at pictures of sailing ships in combat, and noticed that they all showed reduced sails, as I understand it to help prevent damage to the rest of their sails.

Try as I could, I could not tell if the rest of the sails were furled or put below from those paintings.

I was going to model my Constitution with furled sails, but since the kit came with open gunports, usually, as far as I can tell, mostly when prepped for battle, I decided to model her ready for battle with guns run out, ports open, and reduced sails.

I have some silk span on order for sail making, and HiS carriages for the spar deck.

I scratch built a Brodie stove, galley and water barrels for the gun deck, then covered them up when the spar deck went on. That's when I went back to your build and saw the open decks.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, June 19, 2020 8:18 PM

Thanks, Shipwreck.

I already did this ship once in my early 20s, strictly OOB.  This time I wanted it to be special.  That, and I wanted my wife to let me display it without any sad comments this time (I still think secretly smiled when I had to scuttle the original).  She is overly supportive this time because she sees the amount of work I am putting into it, and is actually impressed by my workmanship.  Not in any hurry to get it done.  Do it right the first time - er, second time - and you won't have to do it again.  Although I don't show her all the stuff that hits the bin because I screwed something up.  She only gets to see the good stuff!

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:11 AM

Bob, you have certainly taken the Revell USS Constitution to a new level. By the time you are done you will be justified in dropping the name Revell from our build! Thanks for sharing your journey; it is a WOW! BTW, I am still plodding along with my OOB build.

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8

Monogram M48A2 Patton Tank

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep & Reasearch

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:39 PM

Been working on the masts and yards. Since I have switched to wood, the plastic fighting top looked odd.  So I built a wooden one. I have a tutorial which I did at my shipbuilding club tonight, but I will spare you the details and just show the finished product.

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I have a few of the yards as well.

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That's all for now.  2 more masts and a bunch of yards to go.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:49 PM

Thanks, Jose.  Using a neutral white, which has a warm quality to it instead of a bright white.

Finished the Foremast.  Bit of a pain getting the skysail pole made; kept breaking when I got close to 1/16".  Ended up making individual pieces and just sanding down in the lathe when I got close to that.

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Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Jose Gonzales on Monday, May 11, 2020 11:55 AM

Bob, 

Spectacular scratch build work on the bowsprit and foremast! I love your attention to detail. Curious, what shade of white are you painting your masts? And what type of wood are you using?

Jose

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Posted by Luvspinball on Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:57 PM

Finished turning the spritsail yard and moved on to lower foremast.

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On to the lowere mainmast.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:35 PM

Here is how the new bowsprit and jibs look painted up and fitted to the bow.

bowsprit

Working on the foremast next.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:52 PM

Been awhile.  The Covid19 thing is really messing with my ***.  Quite busy doing online lectures and meetings.  But I digress.  On to the cool stuff.

I was very unhappy with the look of the bowsprit.  Just didn't look right when comparing to the real ship.  I had to make new booms since the old ones were warped, but even that didn't help.  So I went to the museum plans and printed out the bowsprit and jibbooms to scale.  Sure enough, the bowsprit is over an inch too short.  Jibboom was correct, but flying jibboom was also short by 1/2".  So I went to my stash of dowels and pulled out the lathe.  I was going to need to start turning upper masts and spars anyway, so I thought I would "practice" with the bowsprit (since I did have a nice hybrid one already made; you can see it in the background of image 4).  Below are the pics of how it turned out.

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bowsprit 2

bowsprit 3

bowsprit 4

bowsprit 5

Cheers,

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:01 PM

Bob,

I just had time to go through this most excellent WIP. You are doing a great job on this venerable old kit. I’ll be following along now and can’t wait to see what’s next.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:45 AM

Rob,

Yes, I did the string thing with the lower masts in; thought I mentioned it in a previous post.  With the proper sized deadeyes, it is really not an issue though, except for the mizzen mast.  But thanks for the heads up; and the compliments.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, February 20, 2020 8:14 AM

Looks fantastic.  In all of your modifications did you account for the accurate angulation and rake of the shrouds from the new location of the adjusted deadeyes?  A quick test with the lower mast in place and piece of black thread held along the shroud path from top to deadeye...will give you a good clue as to weather the chain plates align with the shrouds.

Other then that possible issue...the mod and scratch work look good....you're moving along nicely and soon you will be setting masts and rigging shrouds.

 

Rob

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 10:54 PM

Been busy with the starboard channels, links and chainplates. First, Revell did NOT do a good job placing cannons, since there is virtually no room to put deadeyes and links that don't interfere with either the spar or gun deck cannons. The worst offender is the foremast, where the cannons form a zig-zag pattern. Main mast was pretty good, then back to a big offset for the mizzen channel.  I started with the main mast to get my techniques for making the deadeye strops and links.  I used copper wire so I could solder them together (for strength).  I used the proper size 5mm deadeyes (Revell's are woefully undersized) and marked the channels.  Since the channels were fitted with pins, I could test fit as often as I wanted to insure proper placement and alignment.  Mizzen channel was next (not too bad), and finally the biggest challenge - the foremast.  The foremast channel took me 3 builds to get it looking proper, with decent spacing of the deadeyes and room for the carronades to shoot.  All were finally painted black after mounting.  On to the port side.

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Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, February 7, 2020 1:37 PM

Rob,

Thanks again for the complement.  Means a lot to me.  Smile  Back to the bench!

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, February 7, 2020 12:55 PM

I'm glad I could be of assistance.  Techical and historical Accuracy is important, if not moreso than the modelers skill.  And your skill is commendable.

 

Rob

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, February 7, 2020 9:51 AM

Thanks Rob!  You are the best, and a fountain of nautical knowledge.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, February 7, 2020 7:26 AM

Bob...good question.   The lanyards, as much as some folks want to suggest, are NOT running rigging.  Once the shrouds were brought taught..the lanyards were tarred to preserve them.  The deadeyes were also painted.  Wood and hemp rope were highly suseptible to deterioration.  Folks who model the lanyards in tan rope are simply following a false perception...mostly driven by what looks good to them, however it is not accurate.

I trust the nautical engineers and historians who refitted the Connie....their black nylon is representitive of a known practice.

Your model is impressive.

Rob

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:33 PM

Rob,

I was looking at some of the pictures and paintings and agree with you.  Plus it simplifies my painting process, so win-win.  Big question: were the ropes used for reeving the deadeyes tarred or not?  Current Connie has black (tarred) ropes between the deadeyes, but many of the models I have seen they are tan. 

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by rwiederrich on Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:52 AM

Great job Bob....fantastic.

Why not paint the deadeyes..they too needed to be preserved and painting them black would be in keeping with the standard of the day.....

Rob

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:12 PM

Having completed the pinrails, I have moved on to the channels.  Big problem here.  Revell's kit is flat out wrong.  Yes, you can use the cheap prefab plastic channels and get away with it.  I wanted to go with wood, and realized one important point: Revell did NOT get the gun deck guns and spar deck guns in the right places.  What that means is that when you try to figure out where to put the deadeyes and irons, you are left with a VERY limited number of places to comfortably mount them with any kind of even spacing AND having them in the proper alignment to the masts.  Using the museum plans as a starting point for the overall size, it is also apparent that the Revell kit took some liberties there also.  Anyway, I printed the scale drawings to 1/96 on stiff card stock and cut them out.  Glued up several pieces of hardwood to get the width, then traced the patterns and cut out the channels.  I also added a thin (1/16x1/16) piece of styrene stock under where the channels would attach to give them something to rest on (and glue to).  I also drilled holes in the hull and channels for wire pins to anchor them solidly.

After mounting them temporarily, I put the mast in place and used a string to determine where I could mount the deadeyes.  I created a small notch in the edge of the channel, stropped the deadeye, and glued in place.  When all the deadeyes were in, I added a wood strip to lock them in.  Then painted the channel black.  I was able to purchase 5mm iron strops, but made my own for the 3.5 and 2.5mm deadeyes.  The first one attached is that for the main mast, shown below.

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Only 5 more to go!

Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, January 27, 2020 7:08 PM

THANKS NINO !

Moving on, I really could not put those frail-looking cheap plastic pinrails on the bulwarks.  I also remember all the trouble I had trying to tie off lines to those tiny pins, many of which broke.  Even had an entire rail come off half way through rigging.  So back to the woodpile we dive!

Pulled out some more of the mahogany to match the railings.  I glued an extra 1/16" x 1/16" piece to the inside bottom of the rail to give me a larger glue surface.  Then using the drawings from the Constitution museum of the rails, I cut the pinrails to scale length, rounded the front edges and drilled all the holes for both the round and square belay pins.  Made the square ones from scrap stock, and purchased some of the Model Shipyard brass 9mm pins (will paint them to look like wood later).  All belay pins were glued in place, then the bulwarks scraped down to bare plastic (also had to scrape off the bolt pattern added earlier).  Mounted with a generous amount of CA.  To prevent them from popping off during rigging, I then drilled through the hull and pinrails and installed copper pins.  Trimmed flush with hull and painted to blend in.  Look like bolt heads, if you can see them at all.

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Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Nino on Monday, January 27, 2020 2:54 PM

Bob,

  You're not just a Pinball Wizard.

"...Finished up the stern with cleats & rail..."  Exquisite Work!

 

 Did anyone ever tell you "You've got beautiful Cleats"?

 I've been following.   Like you it has been a busy Nov-Dec-Jan.  Real glad you have resumed.

 

     Jim.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Sunday, January 26, 2020 11:24 AM

The rumors of my demise are false.  Been quite busy with life the past few months.  My nephew was married in October, my son got married the week before Thanksgiving (afterwhich we ended up dog-sitting while they were on their honeymoon) and then the holidays arrived (had 26 people over for Thanksgiving, and 24 for Christmas).  So now that all the dogs and people have left, I finally got a chance to get to my workroom.  I also decided that since all the Christmas boxes were out, I would do a little cleaning and rearranging.  Finally made it "MY" space (instead of a space I just worked in.  Got all the new toys I got for Christmas in there as well (new airbrush station, mini-lathe and dremel drill press).

On to the boat! Working on all the remaining spar deck furniture.  Built some binnacles since putting those cheap plastic ones on their with all the real wood seemed silly.  Finished rigging the last 8 carronades and installed the last piece of mahogany railing.  Started working on the cleats and pinrails.  Started with the bow rail, since that had to be precisely fitted to the shape of the bow and still have clearance for the bowsprit.  Also put a box and grating over the bowsprit since that funky "ladder-like thing" that came with the ship was never really there (just a way to hide the hole in the deck). Got several laser-cut cleats, but the big ones just didn't look right.  So back to the woodpile to make my own.  Really wanted the bolts to show, so after making the cleats, I drilled the bolt pattern, pushed through some copper pins, cut off the excess, and then filed them flush with the surface.  A bit of light stain and some poly finished them off.  Installed them where the museum plans instructed.  Installed the laser-cut cleats by pinning them to the walls.  Finished up the stern with cleats & rail.

Enjoy!

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Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, September 5, 2019 11:38 PM

Just got back from a much deserved vacation (been 3 since we have gone away).

So I thought I would catch you up on progress.

Aft spar deck guns

Mid spar deck

forecastle mods

Charlie Noble & Bell

Finished mods to forecastle and added wooden rails and all the fore deck furniture.

Installed and rigged starboard aft deck caronnades and installed rail.

Need to finish port caronnades and railing, install wheel (still working on this) and the rest of the hardware for rigging the mizzen mast.

Bob

P.S.  Went on river cruise through Bordeaux, FR, then spen a week trolling around Tuscany, IT.  Had a blast.  Waiting for wine to be delivered.

 

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, June 28, 2019 11:08 PM

Working on the spar deck furniture, like fife rails and pinrails.  Started with the fife rails.

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Bob

Bob Frysztak

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Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:23 PM

Thanks Gene.  Means a lot to me.

Bob Smile

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 17, 2019 4:00 PM

Bob, not only is your work beautiful, but the electrical you do is unbelieveable.

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