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USS Constitution build II - 35 years later

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, July 4, 2018 8:56 PM

Happy 4th of July from the Connie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7OLX5lNKcE

 

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:30 AM

Thanks GM.  Means a lot to me coming from you. 

I just hate "messy" wiring jobs.  This lets me keep track of exactly where everything is, and even if one circuit goes out down the line, all the others will continue to work.  I just have to add up all my milliamps when I am done to make sure I have a big enough power supply.  I have several to choose from, so shouldn't be an issue. 

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:06 PM

Bob, this is truly a first, and impressive. 

Also, your figure painting is really well done.

 

 

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:54 PM

First image is of the circuit board I attached to the bottom of the berth deck.  Built a couple of stand-offs so nothing will come in contact with the deck when soldering.  Enough room for over 40 circuits, but I only expect to use about half of that.  Below deck circuits (stove, berth deck lights, flicker lights) have been soldered.

circuit board

A few more shots of the crew painted.  I even found a couple of "short order" cooks to go by the stove.

cook

crew

I have a water barrel and grog tub (scratch built) inthe photo as well.

crew 2

I shot a 10 second video of the stove lit up with the fire going, but not sure where I could post that - postimage doesn't seem to want to host videos.  C'est la vie.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:58 AM

Thanks Gene.  One of the main reasons I did wooden decks is because of the warped and bad seams on mine.  I reinforced from below, but that didn't seem to make a difference.  Since I am lighting mine, I couldn't give up too much headroom, and decided to build my own.

So I was all set to put the hull together, when I realized I needed to put my below-deck crew in place, or I would never be able to later.  So painting the crew has commenced.  I have about 60 guys total in various poses, including the 20 or so the ship came with.  Most of the other guys are either Preiser or Woodland Scenics HO gauge figures, which all have to be repainted and/or modified.  Construction guys and railroad track workers seem to be the best choices, but I found many others that will also work with a little bit of work from a sharp exacto blade or my dremel.  Here is what I am basing my painting on:  1812 crew

Here are some of the Preiser figures I am modifying:

preiser figures

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by CrashTestDummy on Monday, June 4, 2018 4:11 PM

Luvspinball

I decided to go with wooden decking, so I had to build some.  I used 1/8" wide basswood strips and "painted" the edge with a dry erase marker before gluing together with wood glue.  Held it all together with 2" wide masking tape spaced every 3 inches  While that was drying, I started with the gun deck from the box.  I glued up the plastic deck and traced it exactly onto paper, including all the deck openings.  Using the drawings from the USS Constitution museum, I then edited the cutouts to better match the plans rather than the model's version.  I then traced this onto the wooden deck and cut everthing out very carefully with a new #11 blade.  <SNIP>

 

 

 

I used a similar solution on the one I built back oh, 50, or so years ago =8-0

The middle upper deck section on my kit was badly warped.  Knowing that styrene softens with heat, I set that deck section in the oven turned on low.  Came back a few minutes to find the Shrinky-Dink secton of deck on the rack!  Lesson learned, styrene softens AND shrinks with heat. 

So, now I had a big, expensive ship kit that was missing the middle of the deck!  I traced a pattern off the instructions and recreated a replacement with balsa sheet.  This elementary-school-age kid thought the finished product didn't look too bad after painting.  Not sure I would have had the patience to do it in 1/8" strips of wood. 

Nice work!  I do have another one of those in my stash.  Maybe one day, I'll recreate it, only without (I hope) the balsa wood replacement parts.

 

Gene Beaird,
Pearland, Texas

G. Beaird,

Pearland, Texas

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Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, June 4, 2018 4:10 PM

Gene,

My workarea is down in the basement and keep the door closed unless I am in there.  She doesn't really bother my stuff - more interested in her bone or tennis ball.  Or napping on my foot, which is a bit of a problem when I try to use my dremel foot control!  I really don't mind having her down there otherwise.  She's a good pup.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by CrashTestDummy on Monday, June 4, 2018 4:05 PM

Luvspinball

This may be one reason why it takes me twice as long to complete something than I planned - daddy's little helper!

helping nose

 

 

I have a little helper just about like that, except she's a standard poodle.  She's taken out one complete model (a Revel Apache that I spent WAY too much time just sanding the bad seams), and almost did in the FT-17 I was working on.  Luckily, that one survived.  I keep everything locked up when not working on them now.

 

Gene Beaird,
Pearland, Texas

G. Beaird,

Pearland, Texas

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Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, June 4, 2018 10:19 AM

Thanks Steve.

Working on the cannons and carriages right now.  Also working on laying out the circuit board to power the lighting.  Found a decent one that will fit in the hull, but now I have to lay out the various circuits that need power.  I will take pictures when I have it all worked out.  All those years repairing circuit boards at the bowling alley will finally pay off.  I hope.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, May 31, 2018 4:40 AM

this is such a great model to follow bob , your a very talented modeler mate ,

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:57 PM

Since the berth and gun decks are fairly complete, I decided to start with a bit of the lighting.  Since I have to work my way up, I started with the berth deck.  This will be lit by 8 4x4mm yellow LEDs.  Each LED is only 1.5mm thick so they will not get in the way of anything on the berth deck.  They are (will be) mounted to the underside of the gun deck using a hot glue gun and 2 hour cure clear gorilla glue.  The photos tell the story:

LEDs & resistors

soldering

more soldering

After completing the soldering, I insulated any exposed wiring with liquid tape (rubbery stuff that acts like electrical tape).  Testing of the wiring:

test of LEDs

there are only 4 lights attached to the bottom of gun deck at this point, but you get the idea!

Once the gun deck is in place, I will install the captain's cabin and wire up those lights, including the orage glow for the camboose.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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    March 2018
  • From: Chicago suburbs
Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:22 PM

I have just about completed the berth and gun decks before mounting them.  Images of the berth deck and the pumps I built for it are included.

pump1

pump2

pump3

pump4

I also have a couple of photos of the (nearly) completed berth deck below.

berthdeck1

berthdeck2

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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  • From: Chicago suburbs
Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, April 30, 2018 9:22 AM

Thanks Rob.

Working on putting together the spar deck now.  Finished (for the most part) the gun deck add-ons and the inside of the hull, including beefing up the bow near the anchor gussets.  Any other things I might need will be installed once I get the hull together and the gun deck mounted.  I will be hanging the berth deck below the gun deck beneath the open areas of gun deck and installing the 34 portholes listed on the plan.  So the question now is, will any of the hammocks be visible, and if so, should I put a light or two on the berth deck?

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, April 27, 2018 8:16 AM

Fantastic job...love the inventive mods.....

 

Rob

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 3:38 PM

Jose - thanks for the research.  Interesting to me is the green paint on hatch comings and deck fittings.

GM - I agree - it will look better with it sheathed.

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 3:02 PM

I think it looks better sheathed.

 

 

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Posted by jgonzales on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:48 PM

Hi Bob,

I love your build, your attention to detail, and your technique for building up the decks from wood is astounding!

There are valid arguments on both sides for why the rudder should or should not be coppered and they have been made in various threads throughout this forum. My argument for coppering the rudder comes from the appearance on the Isaac Hull model housed at the Peabody Essex Museum. Here is a previous thread with pictures:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/138375.aspx

Note that the rudder is painted green, just as the coppered portion of the hull. I was also hoping to find some evidence in the Michel Felice Corne paintings of the Constitution vs Guerriere paintings, but even zooming in on the pics in Force9's thread did not yield any solid evidence. 

 

Cheers,

Jose

Jose Gonzales San Diego, CA
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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:44 AM

I know I can probably find the answer to this question in Force9's build log, but I will ask again anyway. 

Was the rudder on the Constitution copper plated like the hull in 1812, or was it left "bare" as depicted in the Revell model? 

Any answers appreciated.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

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Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, April 21, 2018 11:37 PM

Yes, I understand completely! Except in the 1950's the Aurora and other models I built were most likely under $5.00 Smile.

The sentiment, I believe, must be quite common among young modelers - and even much older ones Big Smile.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:32 PM

I know how he feels.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:39 AM

Sorry, but this Calvin is even MORE appropriate.  He has caught the modeling bug!

calvin clipper ship

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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    March 2018
  • From: Chicago suburbs
Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, April 20, 2018 2:31 PM

Started working on the spar deck walls last night.  I am using .015 x .125 styrene strips (.156 for top board and trimming) for the planking.  I tried .010 and .020 - .010 too thin, and .020 was tough to get the bolt pattern imprint through.  .015 works great.  To get an even pattern, I tried a 5/16" pounce wheel, but couldn't get straight lines on such a thin width strip.  So I made a jig out of .030 x .125 strip stock and drilled holes exactly where I wanted them, slightly larger than the blunted T-pin I was using to press into the .015 strip.  Took a couple of tries to get the jig just how I wanted, but now I can press about an inch of strip stock per minute.  Mounted and painted a few to show how it looks:

bolt pattern on main deck walls

Below you can see the thickened gun deck walls.

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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    March 2018
  • From: Chicago suburbs
Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, April 20, 2018 9:18 AM

Thanks for the kind words, TB.  Here is a funny Calvin & Hobbs that pertains to this:

Calvin builds a plane

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:40 AM

Hi;

 I like that you said , and I quote " I am my own worst critic " !  I have been saying that for years ! To every modeler I talk to . You'r edition of the old Girl is awesome .I do like everything you've done to date . T.B.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:29 PM

So using the plans from the museum and many pictures from the ship, I started first with the copper portions of the pumps on the gun deck.  I used plastic beads I purchased at HobbyLobby (a bag of 100+ beads of various sizes for $1.99) and selected six that looked about the right size.  Painted them the metallic copper I used on the hull.  But once I placed them next to the 1/96" figure, they just looked too large.  So I picked out the next smaller size and that looked much better.  I flattened the bottom with a file and added the outflow pipe and a base and repainted.  I then built the pump handles and stands out of strip styrene.  Painted that all black, and then added the "wooden" handles - painted 1/32" styrene rod.  Set it up as in the pics and drawings - 4 on one set, and 2 on the other.  Below is a photo of the set of 4 with one of the crew:

bilge pumps

And here is one on the deck with all 6 pumps.

pumps on deck

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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    March 2018
  • From: Chicago suburbs
Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, April 16, 2018 1:12 PM

Thanks Steve.  I definitely have a Type-A personality, and am a bit of a perfectionist, so once I have a goal or a picture in my mind's eye (that I have usually pirated from the internet), I strive to get it to look like that.  Did the same with all my pinball mods, which is probably why folks liked them as much as they did.  My wife says I should have been an artist, but I am my own worst critic, and probably would never have sold anything due to my own stubborness.

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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    March 2018
  • From: Chicago suburbs
Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, April 16, 2018 1:05 PM

This may be one reason why it takes me twice as long to complete something than I planned - daddy's little helper!

helping nose

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

  • Member since
    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, April 16, 2018 12:46 PM

Hi Bob, I just found this thread and think you are doing a fantastic job. My first Constitution was with my father back in the late 60's. He would spin tails of the old girl's exploits while we built her. I have been tooking at the kit as of late to do her justice. I must say that you are setting the bar high. I don't believe I could do as good a job.

I'll be watching and taking notes.

Steve

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Posted by Luvspinball on Monday, April 16, 2018 11:59 AM

Thanks Gene.  Debating on whether or not to patina the copper plating.  Seen so many variations on that, from painstakingly altering individual plates, to the generic green wash.  Still haven't decided on what to do. Hmm Suggestions welcomed!

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, April 16, 2018 11:55 AM

Luv, You do really beautiful work. I am anxious to see the hull when you get it painted.

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