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Disappointment with new Trumpeter 1/700 ships

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  • Member since
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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, June 06, 2018 10:37 AM

Well, gentlemen, Trumpeter has yet to reply to my emails. Just thought that you would like to be kept informed.  So much for customer care!

Bill

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Posted by rayb24 on Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:56 PM

Resurrecting this thread, I was about to buy the trumpeter Ark Royal in 1/700 And saw the post here of which models were waterline only. So saved myself some money. Pity I wanted to do a diorama of the Ark Royal listing and HMS legion along side. This cant be done with a waterline only hull, although i guess i could extend the hull a bit... would have made a really nice diorama. Thats i think the issue with waterline only, they really constrain the modeller to smooth ocean -fully loaded bases.

Ray

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Posted by scottrc on Sunday, December 09, 2018 10:04 AM

I too wanted to chime in about Trumpter full hulls.  I really like the concept, except my last three builds from Trumpeter (1/350 Bismark, 1/700 Prinz Eugene, 1/700 Warspite) all had a really bad scale issues creating havoc on the fit.  

Dragon has had excellent fit on their full hull 1/700 ships.  

Scott

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Posted by Nino on Sunday, December 09, 2018 10:29 AM

     Dragon has always provide quality kits.  I'm a Lower Hull guy so I was greatly enthused when Pit-Road, Flyhawk, Fujimi , Aoshima, and Hasegawa began to re-release their kits with Lower hulls.  Seems funny that as these OEMs did that, Trumpeter was planning on the opposite.
  WarshipGuy passed me some good advice if you want a Lower hull for some of these Trumpeter or even Tamiya kits. In many cases you may find a cheap Academy or Meng or even an older Trumpeter kit  that can provide a lower hull.    A little elbow grease (Read:Putty and Sandpaper,) should get that fit just right.   It's worth it for me as I enjoy the challenge.
 
     Well, maybe Model Rectifier Corp can get a third party to make some hulls and add them to these deficient Trumpeter Kits .
 
     Watch out for the current crop of cheap Bagged "1/700" kits with lower hulls selling on eBay.  There is an Arizona (copy of HobbyBoss ) with a tooooo wide armor belt, An Iowa full hull kit that is a copy of the 30cm Nichimo kit- it is not 1/700, and a Scharnhorst that is a copy of Tamiya with a Lower hull that can fit Tamiya's Scharnhorst and Gneisenau but has way too much draft- needs some serious cutting down.
 
   Nino
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Posted by Surface_Line on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 1:55 AM

A few more thoughts...
Bill says that in real life a sailor frequently sees his ship in a drydock.  I don't know about that.  Serving as an Engineering officer on three ships over nine years or so, I did have the responsibility to spend some time on the drydock floor.  And I was looking at the condtion of specific objects instead of the overall shape of the hull.  (I admit I did notice the color of red with a thought toward future modeling).  Never noticed the color of the screw(s) or shaft(s).  Crazy, huh?  Walking across the brow from the drydock to the ship I did look at the sides.  Mostly I noticed waterways, boat booms, overboard discharges and diesel exhaust stains.

And even though I do completely focus on displaying ships in a water base, I recently wanted to show a tanker on a fairly heavy roll in bad weather.  While it might have been easier to snip off part of a full hull, I was happy with the use of a waterline kit and the result from building up the "high" side with sheet plastic and trimming down the lower side.

I do recognize your pain.  If all the other models on your shef are full hull, then I guess a waterline ship is pretty odd.  I just got the Trumpeter Ark Royal and didn't even notice the lack of a full hull.  I guess it would be best if they could keep including the hull bottoms.

Rick

 

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Posted by Nino on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 3:15 PM

 

 I mention the following in the hopes a Trumpeter Rep might see.

 Rick, 

     You have a good point. But if we can add some sheet plastic for a better waterline dio, we can probably make a full hull.  However,  then we Full-hullers spend all our time building the one kit with a scratch lower hull and not buying additonal kits.  Something I believe Trumpeter left out of their marketing equation.

     It's like building a big model of the HMS Victory. There goes a full year, during which a modeler ,(except for gene1), could have built 12 or more model ships in the same period. Trumpeter should want us to build faster and buy more even quicker.  No wonder the latest models get more "stuff" included. That way we can finish a model witout recourse to After-market or scratch-build time-delays. And more of the money stays with the Model Comany too.

With my tonge, again planted very firmly in cheek...

    I blame it on the President (of the Model Companies!) How can they not supply a Lower hull. It's like building a Wall without a foundation.

    

     The old "Give the Customer what they want" does not apply these days. I'm sure by the time they made it we'd want somethinbg else.  But that's not the case here. I had what I wanted and they took it away.

                                 Caveat Emptor of Trumpeter.

   Nino

 

That was at least 4 cents worth.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 5:52 PM

The complaints of individuals won't mean much to a company like that, even though we can feel good about doing it.

Afraid it is going to take all the reviewers,the magazines and the distributors to put them down for the change in the way they package and market the product to get them to change back, even if it costs the modeler a couple of bucks more.

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 8:32 AM

Hi;

    I usually do the Waterline models in plastic .There are only rare examples in paper that are full hull . Most are waterline . 

 Now the plastic ones do dissapoint me .I like them really to be full hull . 

 I too search for a close fit with another bottom or in rare ( very rare ) cases I will scratch build a bottom for the ship in question .

 Thank goodness this is what I was trained for in College !      T.B.

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Posted by Nino on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 10:00 AM

PAPER!

   YEAH!

     I have a paper printout of the USS Bogue somewhere. I remember a post by GM for a lower hull for his Tamiya kit.  I bet I could put a .015 sheet of Evergreen in my old heavy duty HP Printer and print out the Lower hull section.  Just MAYBE that thichness would conform to the proper shape.  Ah, a new challange, Plastic out of paper.

    Geeze, if we keep coming up with ideas, Trumpeter will never put LH's in the box.

        Jim.

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Posted by Melkell on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 3:58 PM

Glad Trumpeter are finally looking after us waterline modelers as I like to see the ships as seen in water not drydock. I wish Trumpeter would do the same for all their larger scale ships, I'm sick of having to work out where to cut them down to. Some are W/L some F/H very inconsistant with their model releases.

They should come with both alternatives which would suit everyone.

Melkell

 

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Posted by ejhammer on Friday, February 22, 2019 1:57 PM
Personally, I find it easier to cut/grind the bottom off and glue on a flat piece of styrene on a full hull kit to get a waterline model than it is to build up a hull bottom to make a full hull model from a waterline kit. EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, February 22, 2019 2:00 PM

Will be updating my WIP soon. Yes, much more difficult than cutting a bottom off.

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Posted by Nino on Friday, February 22, 2019 4:50 PM

Very NICE FIT GMorrison!
 
  Yea, real tough for me  as I am poor at reading plans and only starting to learn scratch-building.
 Tamiya CV6, CV-8:
Top is wood.  Bottom is plastic mostly.  Got alot of work ahead.  Major Mistakes on both to be fixed...especially after I compared with the old Revell kit.
 
 I bought Academy's USS Enterprise. Nice Hull!  Probably won't get Trumpeter Yorktown unless I were to buy another Academy kit -real cheap- for the lower hull. 
 
     Nino.  
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Posted by invertman on Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:10 PM
hey guys, just my 2 cents. I am new to ship building and 1/700 scale is the scale I prefer since I have very little display space. I personally would like to see the full hull option on 1/700 scale ships. nothing against waterline if you want to go through the extra work, and spending extra money of displaying it on a "water base" but some modelers would like to see the full hull ship on a stand. I read a post earlier on this thread someone wrote about having the lower hull parts as an option. this sounds like a great idea to me. I realize its more money but would be worth it in my opinion. i just think the model companys should have an ear open for the modeler and not just stick to a trend. trumpeter had a good thing going and I think they will loose some sales because of this.

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:59 PM

Good observation on 1/700 Ship modeling.

Trumpeter has lost my money already:

   2 New Kits. (Price includes shipping.)

        Academy 1/700 Enterprise  ($34.54)

       Meng 1/700 Rodney  ($16.46 - great deal)

 

Next purchase will be Full-hull kits like Pit-Road's USS Cleveland W-203) or Skywave's IJN Ayanami (W-102)  or Dragon... any kit, all good.

   Nino

 

Model kit Distributors, are you listening?

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:59 PM

I have PitRoad's W-209 USS Miami CL-89 about to be built. It is a nice kit, Cleveland Class.

Add Tom's light cruiser fret and it came to about $ 70. Not inexpensive but nicely cast.

I also have Dragon's 7052 USS San Juan CL-53, Atlanta Class. It has PE; add the Gators mask set for Measure 12 mod and it comes to about $ 60.

The nicest CA kit I have is Niko's USS Savannah CL-42, Brooklyn Class. Resin, has PE, came to about $80. Beautiful castings.

Alas, waterline but that's not too hard to fix.

These are all very nice kits.

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:31 PM

     Niko's USS Helena is tops on my wish-list.  Some OEM might someday do a Plastic Brooklyn class but doubtful they will do a Helena or Saint Louis.  Usually out of stock at Freetime.

That should be an easy lower hull for me compared to doing the curves on IMAI's  Winston Churchill.

Trumpeter will never be a Dragon slayer now that they don't include half of the model ship.

   Jim.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, March 01, 2019 9:00 AM

The thing that bothers me about recent 1:700 ship kits is the rise in prices.  Wow, they seem to be going up faster than other models.  Are these newer kits really that much better, or just a "what the traffic will bear."

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, March 01, 2019 9:11 AM

A couple of notes on that, Don. I agree, in the plastic realm. A 1/700 plastic battleship used to be $25, now a 1/700 plastic destroyer costs $ 50.

They've caught up with resin in price. Resin has become a better deal in that way.

PE is a lot less expensive for 1/700. Of course you get a fret the size of a credit card.

 

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Posted by Nino on Monday, March 04, 2019 2:44 PM

UPDATE!

 Adding  more...  see bottom of list below.

 The list of Trumpeter kits without a lower hull are:
 
 06707  Yorktown
 06708  Enterprise
 06709 Graf Zeppelin
 06710 Peter Strasser
 06711 New York
 06712 Texas
 06713 Ark Royal
 06714 Kitty Hawk
 06715 Constellation
 06716 John F Kennedy
 06717 Nelson
 06718 Rodney
 
 
New releases for 2019.  Possible Full Hull kits:
 
 06719 thru 06722  HMS Type 23 Frigate  1 web site says Full Hull.
 06725 PLA Navy type 002 Aircraft carrier   CAD drawing shows lower hull.
 
    Nino

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