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Amazing tabletop diorama of a medieval port.
Posted by crackers on Monday, August 27, 2018 1:16 AM

Ryan Devoto submitted this amazing tabletop diorama on Facebook of an early 16 century medieval port city. This project took almost five years to complete. The detail is staggering to behold. Come and see for yourself.

 

 

This diorama presentation did not specify what nation it is presenting on this awesome creatiion. Is it medieval England ? Spain, perhaps ? On one of the ships entering the harbor, there is a Spanish flag on the mast head top. You decide the locating while you gasp in awe. Wow !

Happy modeling      Crackers   Indifferent Surprise Yes Yes

T

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 27, 2018 1:35 AM

I admire the effort, and there must be a story to it. I really like the village and the meal there with Athos, Porthos and Aramis eating. I think the port part of it should have the ships saved, the rest tossed in a dumpster.

A lot of fun, thanks for sharing.

 

 

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Posted by keavdog on Monday, August 27, 2018 2:21 AM

That looks like an enormous amount of work.  Seems like a mix between railroad scenery, gaming, and scale modeling.  None-the-less and impressive display.  

Ha - GM... if you took a look at some of my stuff, you'd fill a dumpster Stick out tongue

Thanks,

John

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, August 27, 2018 3:27 AM

that is simply stunning cracker's , to do all that in 5 years is amazing , little bit harsh there GM , the ship's alone would have taken age's , I would love to have the room to put it in .

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, August 27, 2018 12:42 PM

" G " 

 Whatta slam man ! At least give a well done for ALL the effort ! Maybe I would find fault with the port too . But , take the builder aside and whisper it to him . T.B.

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 1:08 AM

Crackers,

Any idea what scale it is? I like it, to say the least.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by armornut on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:15 AM

   I have a hard enough time staying focused on details for 5min, much less 5yrs. Pretty cool.

we're modelers it's what we do

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Posted by fright on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 12:18 PM

Absolutely stunning work not to mention the size! Bow Down

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:28 PM

I'm kind of with our man G.

I admire the work and the effort, but, it's more "disney" than history.

There are some sort of ruins in the far-too tight inlet which is the bay, which have no logic. 

Then there is a random tower, of a rather small footbrint, with no motte, but nearly four stories tall with garderobe at the top corners.  yet, the "castle" (which has an impossibly small keep, is a short, dumpy sort of thing.

So, it, the dio, can't quite decide if it's in the tenth or the sixteenth centuries--and all at once.  It's sort of a biplane P-51, with a horse team for a tow tug.

That "harbor" would be a navigational nitemare, even in the tenth & eleventh centuries; especially in that era, when ships were not built (yet) for fine seamanship and handling.

But, overall, a huge and slpendid effort, if hisotorically accurate in a Panzer Girls sort of way.

(Mind, in all fairness, like Mr Morrisson, I have studied far too much ancient architecture at a professional level.)

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:52 PM

It's a Dungeons and Dragons playing board, sort of the Gillette Stadium of DnD.

I get that now having sculled upstream into worlds of Fantasy I don't normally follow.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 11:01 AM

Yeah, I can see the figures on bases- it's that exactly- a set-up for wargaming and roleplaying games. Hence everything being shrunk-down and crammed together. Basically a Disney World sort of medieval times. 

Personally it's pretty friggin' impressive- I'd love to game on something like that. 

And you don't want to go too far into detailing something like this- there's always the clutz who moving his figure is going to bump something and break it. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 11:35 AM

I have mixed emotions about waving this off because it is just a giant gaming board.

First off, Bill, you don't miss much. I didn't notice the figures with bases. Keen eyes, my friend. It does pretty much kill the whole dio idea, and I get that now.

OTOH, as almost everyone has mentioned, it's one heck of a project and I gotta tip my hat to the creator.

Were I a gamer, would probably be doing pirouttes of joy just from looking at pictures of this thing. Coffee

Now, another me would like to comment: "What, all that work and not a train in sight? Huh?"   

Smile

-Greg

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 11:40 AM
  • Fihi Ma Fihi (Persian literally meaning "It Is What It Is"), a Persian prose work by the 13th century Sufi writer known as Rumi
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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:48 PM

C'est vrai.

If I recall, that would be French for 'this is true'.

Smile

-Greg

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Posted by PFJN on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:58 PM

Hi,

I think it looks really cool.  And to be honest many dioramas that I have seen have some degree of "suspension of disbelief" in them, even if its just fudging distances between opposing sides etc.

Pat

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 8:12 PM

It just occurred to me if this had been done by one of our FSM folk, I suspect I'd be oogling all over it. Just sayin'.....

-Greg

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, August 29, 2018 8:23 PM

That, Greg, is an interesting point.  I believe in encouraging all modelers to support our hobby but this forum tends to lean towards the 'everyone gets a trophy' side.  I know I'm going to come out sounding horrible hear but it's been gnawing at me for a couple years.  Constructive criticism is how we get better. 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by STOVK on Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:13 AM

crackers

Ryan Devoto submitted this amazing tabletop diorama on Facebook of an early 16 century medieval port city. This project took almost five years to complete. The detail is staggering to behold. Come and see for yourself.

 

crackers, thanks for sharing. By doing a quick Google search, you'll see it was created for D&D, so it wouldn't really depict any "real world" location.

https://kotaku.com/look-at-this-amazing-d-d-diorama-1784950148

As you've seen, reaction can be pretty harsh on these forums at times. Unless your subject matter is accurate down to the last rivet, you risk blowback.

Even though I prefer "real world" subject matter and hyper-acurate/detailed builds, I would be far from putting down anyone's work since my skills lack.

I just hope it doesn't discourage others from sharing their work for fear of harsh critisism.

I recall a Letter to the Editor in FSM a while back where someone overheard a Judge bashing someone's model. The premis being that other modelers/contestants heard the harsh critisism as well. It serves no purpose in a community where the whole point of the hobby is to enoy it, no matter how good or bad. I figure, if you don't like it, move on.

There are two typs of critisim constructive and destructive. In a "hobby", there is no need for the latter.

@ Greg and keavdog. So right you are. I've come to see that there are certain cliques on these forums. If you don't know the secret handshake, you take your chances.

@crackers You should have posted this in the "Diorama" Forum, I know that's where I go for all things "diorama" related. Thanks again.

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:32 AM

This is just stunning work! This Modeler should have nothing but praise for his passion and modeling ability for something that obviously took a long time to complete. I must say that we modelers love to show our works, because praise from our friends and family is the ultimate compliment and constructive criticism makes us better modelers. Making fun of someone else's work shows just how insignificant that person or persons are.

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Posted by LonCray on Thursday, August 30, 2018 10:29 AM

It doesn't bother me one bit that it's 'Disneyfied' - it's a gorgeous setup for a D&D game.  

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, August 30, 2018 11:21 AM

keavdog

That, Greg, is an interesting point.  I believe in encouraging all modelers to support our hobby but this forum tends to lean towards the 'everyone gets a trophy' side.  I know I'm going to come out sounding horrible hear but it's been gnawing at me for a couple years.  Constructive criticism is how we get better. 

 

John, I saw a push to "learn how to politely criticize and critique" on a photography forum I frequented. This happened years ago, and it basically destroyed the place. Turns out, folk weren't really there to learn, just for the kudos.

It's a slippery slope, a thing much trickier and complex than it sounds, and I'd hate to have that happen here. It seems to me that the occasional bit of criticism is taken pretty well here. Usually. It depends on the delivery of the criticism. Seems to me harsh comments are usually poorly recieved, diplomatic one typically much better.

I didn't really mean to imply that this is a 'compliments only' forum, but I sure can see how you got that from my comment.

On this thread's subject, I am pretty firmly in the IMO it's a great piece of work camp, even though I don't know a thing about gaming.

2 cents

-Greg

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Posted by littletimmy on Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:55 PM

Greg
Now, another me would like to comment: "What, all that work and not a train in sight? "   

That was the first thing I thought too.

The dio seem's "cramped" because I believe the builder was trying to Selectively compress everything.

It's an AWESOME project, and I "Wish " I had the space to do the same thing. ( unfortunately my wife like's her kitchen table.... and I like eating on it.)

My hat is off to the builder ! That is an Impressive work of Art !

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, August 31, 2018 8:56 AM

Okay , Everybody !

 They do this for Gaming ? ? ? Well , blow me down ! I never woulda thunk . I know I have some Warhammer models that look Steam-Punkish ( that's why I bought them ) couldn't tell you what scale if any .The figures are only and inch or so tall .

 I find it hard to fathom .To go to all this trouble for a game ? Well , I not much of a Game player ( table games that is ) but wow .maybe they need to get into regular models ,  and really show us some stuff , right ?

 Oh I don't play electronic games either . Too busy building things in three dimensions .I just like building models better . T.B.       P.S. About the only table game I'll play is Five Card stud or maybe the old fashioned version of paper based " Battleship "

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Posted by Greg on Friday, August 31, 2018 10:27 AM

This creation being unrealistically compressed has come up a few times.

It occured to me that the best of model train layouts, ones we would drool over, are very compressed. I am lucky to have a friend 5 minutes away with one of the best home layouts in the US, over 4,500 ft/sq worth of top-notch model railroading.

Even it is extremely compressed if you get right down to it.

-Greg

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Posted by LonCray on Friday, August 31, 2018 10:33 AM

It seems to me that there isn't much criticism of the workmanship here, rather that it isn't a 'serious' diorama of an actual scene.  It's a gaming map, and a magnificent one at that.  Yes, it's compressed and in a few places unrealistic, but those aren't the criteria in play here.  I mean no disrespect to anyone on this thread, but I humbly suggest that the critics look at the workmanship thru the lens of a fantasy roleplaying game rather than an actual medieval port diorama.  

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Posted by crackers on Friday, August 31, 2018 11:14 AM

Cartoon by Gary Larson, creator of The Far Side.

Happy modeling    Crackers

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by PFJN on Friday, August 31, 2018 11:16 AM

Greg

This creation being unrealistically compressed has come up a few times.

It occured to me that the best of model train layouts, ones we would drool over, are very compressed. I am lucky to have a friend 5 minutes away with one of the best home layouts in the US, over 4,500 ft/sq worth of top-notch model railroading.

Even it is extremely compressed if you get right down to it.

Hi,

I think I agree with you Greg.  And as I noted before, in reality I think many/most armor, naval, and air dioramas that I have seen also have some extent of "compression" in them too, often with the ships planes or tanks being depicted much closer together than they would probably be in real life.

Pat

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 31, 2018 11:20 AM

LonCray

It seems to me that there isn't much criticism of the workmanship here, rather that it isn't a 'serious' diorama of an actual scene.  It's a gaming map, and a magnificent one at that.  Yes, it's compressed and in a few places unrealistic, but those aren't the criteria in play here.  I mean no disrespect to anyone on this thread, but I humbly suggest that the critics look at the workmanship thru the lens of a fantasy roleplaying game rather than an actual medieval port diorama.  

 

Well we all compress stuff on dioramas. If you have two groups of soldiers in a battle scene it's probably going to be hand-to-hand combat or an ambush etc considering that if you have the two sides shooting rifles at each other the diorama could be the length of a room... 

And don't even get into tank combat with ranges all the way up to miles/kilometers between the two vehicles. 

 

I think a lot of the 'Disney' look come from the shrunk houses and castle- like Disney would build buildings in 2/3ths of the size of the real thing. Of course if you had a scale castle it could take up something like half the size of the base itself!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 31, 2018 11:24 AM

And I've seen people add steampunk trains to middle age based fantasy settings- which is kinda weird since steampunk is more or less industrial revolution - 1800's or so. Which is fine era if you want to add magic and monsters to it- just seems weird when some have people still tromping around in heavy plate armour when guns are widely available. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Greg on Friday, August 31, 2018 12:52 PM

crackers

 

That sure fits! Smile

-Greg

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