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  • Member since
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  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Saturday, September 01, 2018 5:16 PM

Cleaning the model room and I came across the February 1992 issue of 'Scale Modeler' magazine (formerly known as  The Worlds Largest Modeling Magazine).  Volume 27, Number 2.  Now out of business -- check the library

In it is an article by Duane Pfister describing his build of a 1:48 scale ATC(H), scratchbuilt using sheet styrene and styrene stock.  Also included is a set of dimensioned 1:48 scale plans (2-view).    Yes, it is based on an LCM-8 hull, not an LCM-6

More modern materials and techniques may make the process less painful.  Although carving the hull out of Ren-shape or MDF is still akin to my previous recommendation of starting with a block and carving away anything which doesn't look like an ATC or Tango boat

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 01, 2018 5:18 PM

GMorrison

My "peeve", being now a CRC (Certified Rivet Counter), is models that have an array of weapons "laying around".

Bill CRC

 

Good man! Every soldier knows you don’t leave your weapon lying around out of arms reach. That is drilled into you head early on in training. Unattended weapons tend to grow legs and disappear. 

Even a pintle mounted crew served weapon will have one guy sitting around guarding it.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:04 PM

CapnMac82

 In 1/72, PE would be just fine.  At least at a guess.

The bar armor was 3/4 x 3/4 x 1/8 angle stock (20 x 20 x 3mm) with 5/8" (16mm) reinforcing bar, which was stood off 12" or 18" (30 or 45cm) off the hull.

Now, at 1/35, you are right at where the "upset" (the raised texture) on the bar would "show"--this is what was frustrating in my ancient attempts.

That 20mm angle iron is about 0.6mm at 1/35; at 1/72 only 0.2mm.

5/8" rebar?  That's good to know.

It's the checkered plates that might also be difficult to replicate.  Does anybody make a sheet of that?

Gary

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:07 PM

Tread plate is made in styrene by either Plastruct or Evergreen. There is also brass tread plate out there. And textured decals by Archer for application to smooth surfaces.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:36 PM

Ed - I have to respectfully diagree. I have even seen scans of the original modification drawings for the Tango boat and they all say time and time again the base is an LCM-6. Then again, a modelling article is not really a historical information. Can you point to some other source that says a Tango boat is based on an LCM-8?

Thanks in advance and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:11 PM

GAF
It's the checkered plates

The diamond tread plates are only on the upper surfaces.  Generally.

The hull "compartments" (and the pilothouse roof, if memory serves) are smooth plate.

 

The "no loose waepons" thing is complicated in VN.  You might be stationary in a position that could be "in contact" with little warning.  But, in the rainy season, stuff gets covered up often.  Which is why MGs are so often under covers

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Posted by TankerEasy on Tuesday, September 04, 2018 5:02 AM

Ill try and get pics uploaded tongiht of the PBR Mk II im working on.  Does anyone know of the best place to pick up a marine stowage set that would look go well with the boat?

Air Force vet (2006-2012)

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Recently completed: 1/35 Tamiya Flakvierling 38

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, September 10, 2018 3:10 PM

Hi;

 You can find the Diamond Plate at Hobby Lobby , it's in the model railroad sccenery section .

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, September 10, 2018 3:14 PM

gary ;

In my experience ( remember I was there ) , most of the early ones were based on LCM-6 Boats . Now maybe the late ones that I didn't see were 8s but I kinda don't think so .Remember there are folks that see what they have been talking about only to find they are incorrect !

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Posted by PFJN on Monday, September 10, 2018 8:12 PM

Tanker - Builder

....Remember there are folks that see what they have been talking about only to find they are incorrect ! 

Hi, that reminds me of a quote a freind of mine was fond of.  I think it was something along the lines of "If I didn't believe it, I wouldn't have seen it".

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, September 10, 2018 8:19 PM

PFJN

 

 
Tanker - Builder

....Remember there are folks that see what they have been talking about only to find they are incorrect ! 

 

 

Hi, that reminds me of a quote a freind of mine was fond of.  I think it was something along the lines of "If I didn't believe it, I wouldn't have seen it".

 

LOL! My neighbor came over and said "I know I shouldn't believe anything on the internet, but..."

It would seem to me that if drawings could be had, it would not be hard to build this.

 

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  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:10 AM

TankerEasy

The whole story of the brown water Navy is pretty neat, its too bad it isnt talked about more.  It seems to be a part of the Vietnam war that isnt metioned much, I only know of one documentery about it.

 

  I came across a web site that should be of interest to you.  

They do mention LCM-6 .  No LCM-8.

 

http://www.warboats.org/stonerbwn/The%20Brown%20Water%20Navy%20in%20Vietnam_Part%201.htm

 

    Nino

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:29 AM

Hello!

GMorrison

It would seem to me that if drawings could be had, it would not be hard to build this.

I even have those drawings... Mr. Carrico used to sell them on a CD. But now his business is gone...

Have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:40 AM

Hi;

 Having owned 1:1 modified versions of thos exact vessels I can say , Building one is easier than it looks . I do think one of the R.C. Model companies did offer a hull . Can't remember which though  . Simple lines and fairly straight , forward bottom .  T.B.

GAF
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  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:11 AM

Tanker - Builder

gary ;

In my experience ( remember I was there ) , most of the early ones were based on LCM-6 Boats . Now maybe the late ones that I didn't see were 8s but I kinda don't think so .Remember there are folks that see what they have been talking about only to find they are incorrect !

TB,

I'm not sure if it was me you were addressing (Gary), but I was not confused about the LCM-6 and LCM-8.  This schematic clearly says LCM-6:

http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/boatcat/cat-0108.htm

I was interested in the CCB as my brother was radio operator on one coming up on 50 years ago.  He was stationed out of Dong Tam, though he said they were rarely at the base.  He was wounded in February, 1969 while out on a mission, and honorably discharged later that year due to his injuries.  He just turned 70 this year, and I was thinking about building a CCB model for him if there was one available, but apparently scratch-building might be the only way for me to do it.  Thanks!

Gary

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    June, 2018
Posted by TankerEasy on Wednesday, September 12, 2018 2:04 PM

Nino

 

 
TankerEasy

The whole story of the brown water Navy is pretty neat, its too bad it isnt talked about more.  It seems to be a part of the Vietnam war that isnt metioned much, I only know of one documentery about it.

 

 

 

  I came across a web site that should be of interest to you.  

They do mention LCM-6 .  No LCM-8.

 

http://www.warboats.org/stonerbwn/The%20Brown%20Water%20Navy%20in%20Vietnam_Part%201.htm

 

    Nino

 

 

Thanks Nino!  glad this post has generated some good discussion and knowledge sharing!

Air Force vet (2006-2012)

PC gamer, rig specs: i7-7700K (overclocked), MSI GTX 1080 gpu, 16 gigs G.skill Trident Z ram, Phanteks case with purdy lights CoolCool

Recently completed: 1/35 Tamiya Flakvierling 38

On the bench: 1/35 Tamiya PBR "PIBBER"

 

 

 

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, September 15, 2018 1:36 PM

Hi;

 I am not really sure if that was for you or not . I have a problem with names , seems there's too many Garys ! Lol. My name is Gary too !

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